2023-2024 EPL Season

[spintheblackcircle]

Ben White is a top 3 right back this year in the PL. This all started when you said he was the best.

Is he?

Porro had more goal contributions, more tackles, more blocks, more interceptions and more re-possessions. Is he top 3?

I think there are 5-6 RB's who are basically the same "level" when taking everything into consideration.

 

[KJS14]

Is he?

Porro had more goal contributions, more tackles, more blocks, more interceptions and more re-possessions. Is he top 3?

I think there are 5-6 RB's who are basically the same "level" when taking everything into consideration.

Having more counting defensive stats in different systems isn't really indicative of anything. Arsenal's system has their midfielders and wingers winning the ball further up the pitch, so no one on our defense has high counting stats. Yet they were the best defense in the league and gave up half as many goals as Spurs.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Having more counting defensive stats in different systems isn't really indicative of anything. Arsenal's system has their midfielders and wingers winning the ball further up the pitch, so no one on our defense has high counting stats. Yet they were the best defense in the league and gave up half as many goals as Spurs.

Tottanham's MF's have more tackles than Arsenal's by about 20% as well.

Spurs were 1st in tackles, Arsenal 18th.

Arsenal don't tackle. They keep possession.

 

[KJS14]

Tottanham's MF's have more tackles than Arsenal's by about 20% as well.

Spurs were 1st in tackles, Arsenal 18th.

Arsenal don't tackle. They keep possession.

Yeah that's definitely a reason for it too. Arsenal retain possession for sustained periods of time more than Spurs, whereas the stats seem to indicate Spurs have a lot of possession but must be giving it up and winning the ball back more.

My point was that Arsenal's top 4 for tackles this year were Rice, Saka, Zinchenko, and Odegaard. And Martinelli/Trossard combined would have been 3rd. Our pressing has our midfielders and wingers win the ball back higher up the pitch more than our defensive players need to win the ball.

In comparison, Spurs top 4 for tackles this year were Porro, Bissouma, Udogie, and Romero. I didn't watch enough of Spurs to 100% know this, but I assume its because you push your fullbacks very high, so (1) they are the ones winning the ball back higher up the pitch if you do lose possession, and (2) then other teams are attacking you down the wing in the space that they leave behind, so fullbacks and Romero are tasked with being more engaged defensively when they track back.

 

[KJS14]

And to your original point, I think Porro had a great season and was probably a top 3 RB in the league. I just think Ben White was the best this year.

 

[Jussi]

Possession is overrated anyway...

 

[bluesfan94]

Considered tossing this into the transfer thread given the alleged City interest.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Considered tossing this into the transfer thread given the alleged City interest.

What a dummy.

 

[hatterson]

If it’s proven that he actually took in game actions for the purpose of betting markets, I don’t see how the punishment could be anything but a lifetime ban.

Although he could always pull a Toney and claim he’s addicted and get a light slap on the wrist comparatively.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

If it’s proven that he actually took in game actions for the purpose of betting markets, I don’t see how the punishment could be anything but a lifetime ban.

Although he could always pull a Toney and claim he’s addicted and get a light slap on the wrist comparatively.

Yeah I don’t see how they could justify that with some of the other bans they’ve given out.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1793659069741625449

 

[bluesfan94]

Yeah I don’t see how they could justify that with some of the other bans they’ve given out.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1793659069741625449

I think the difference here is that the charge is that he actually took steps in game as a result of betting.

 

[Savant]

If it’s proven that he actually took in game actions for the purpose of betting markets, I don’t see how the punishment could be anything but a lifetime ban.

Although he could always pull a Toney and claim he’s addicted and get a light slap on the wrist comparatively.

Statement makes it seem like he is (no pun intended) doubling down

 

[hatterson]

I think the difference here is that the charge is that he actually took steps in game as a result of betting.

Yea. To me that’s a clear line.

But Toney also bet on his own team to lose, which I also felt was a clear line and he got 8 months.

So who knows.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Didn’t Tonali also provide inside information to other bettors?

 

[Live in the Now]

All three of them should have/should be banned for life but they're not gonna do it.

 

[HeHateMeFrisbee]

Guardian reporting West Ham fear his career is over...

 

[Live in the Now]

Guardian reporting West Ham fear his career is over...

Well they banned some lower level player for 12 years for the same offense.

Ex-Oxford City and Banbury United player gets 12-year ban after spot-fixing

A FORMER Banbury United and Oxford City player has been banned for more than 10 years, for his involvement in spot-fixing during an Emirates FA Cup…

www.oxfordmail.co.uk

 

[HeHateMeFrisbee]

Well it probably should be if these charges are proven to be accurate.

 

[Albatros]

Club record fee well spent.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

As it relates to the charges, wouldn’t something like this inherently require a “smoking gun”? Like you can objectively chart irregular betting in Brazil and the fact that Paqueta got carded in those matches, but for the charge to stick I assume you would need concrete information that Paqueta was aware of the scheme and participated.

 

[bluesfan94]

Yea. To me that’s a clear line.

But Toney also bet on his own team to lose, which I also felt was a clear line and he got 8 months.

So who knows.

 

[Live in the Now]

As it relates to the charges, wouldn’t something like this inherently require a “smoking gun”? Like you can objectively chart irregular betting in Brazil and the fact that Paqueta got carded in those matches, but for the charge to stick I assume you would need concrete information that Paqueta was aware of the scheme and participated.

North American leagues have contractors they've hired to monitor betting markets for activity by all the players, coaches, referees. I would assume that the PL does too. They wouldn't be charging him without overwhelming proof, usually including GPS. It's hard for me to believe that he wouldn't be guilty.

At some point he also gave the FA his phone which he probably should not have done. He should demand to be sold to 115 and maybe this problem will magically just go away.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

North American leagues have contractors they've hired to monitor betting markets for activity by all the players, coaches, referees. I would assume that the PL does too. They wouldn't be charging him without overwhelming proof, usually including GPS. It's hard for me to believe that he wouldn't be guilty.

At some point he also gave the FA his phone which he probably should not have done. He should demand to be sold to 115 and maybe this problem will magically just go away.

You mean like GPS to confirm that Paqueta and the bettors were in the same place? That still doesn’t concretely tie him to the scheme.

And yeah, what I was getting at was that if he left a paper trail linking him to the plan he’s a grade A jackass. Insert Stringer Bell “is you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy” gif.

Either way, I can’t imagine imploding your career for something so idiotic. It might actually break him as a person, because I don’t know how you come back from that.

 

[Live in the Now]

You mean like GPS to confirm that Paqueta and the bettors were in the same place? That still doesn’t concretely tie him to the scheme.

And yeah, what I was getting at was that if he left a paper trail linking him to the plan he’s a grade A jackass. Insert Stringer Bell “is you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy” gif.

Either way, I can’t imagine imploding your career for something so idiotic. It might actually break him as a person, because I don’t know how you come back from that.

It doesn't unless he was at the same place at the same time as them when they bet. Then that's probably enough. Whenever someone logs into a betting platform, I think most people don't know this but the exact place you logged in from, and the date and time is being permanently logged in some database.

That's how 'they' have some assurances that referees don't bet on games. Let's say hypothetically that Paqueta and two other guys were at someone's house and logged in to check the odds for something, and then those two guys immediately made a bet on the same thing. In that case they would know something is going on. They would also have to know that Paqueta has a betting account in order to know that.

Some of these guys just have to accept that you either can be in the games or you can have some part in gambling on them. You can't do both.


The Bournemouth yellow is so obvious btw. He goes up for a header with almost no time left in the match and punches the ball instead.

 

[S E P H]

No wonder why Wolves want to get rid of VAR. Five year score has them in a net loss of -18. Holy smokes lol. Brighton leads in all favourable decisions at +8. LFC second at +5, City at +4, Man United +3, and Arsenal at -6. Could've gotten some EPL titles if we didn't have that corruption against us.