2023-2024 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread

[Linkens Mastery]

Well, one thing I learned at the Metalcore Concert I went to tonight. Country Roads is not just a Blues hockey thing.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I don't quite understand some of the coaching decisions, not that I disagree, but why some of this stuff wasn't tried earlier. I know in the Jersey game, we eventually moved back to normal lines after trying to break up the top line, and now not only are we breaking up the top line again, but slotting Buchnevich at center.

If you really want to see if Buchnevich can play center, why didn't you do it for longer stretches earlier in the season to either increase his trade value or determine if he's your #2 C and worth extending.

Also, nice to see Kessel actually in the lineup like we expected.

 

[Celtic Note]

I don't quite understand some of the coaching decisions, not that I disagree, but why some of this stuff wasn't tried earlier. I know in the Jersey game, we eventually moved back to normal lines after trying to break up the top line, and now not only are we breaking up the top line again, but slotting Buchnevich at center.

If you really want to see if Buchnevich can play center, why didn't you do it for longer stretches earlier in the season to either increase his trade value or determine if he's your #2 C and worth extending.

Also, nice to see Kessel actually in the lineup like we expected.

Looks like Thomas may be out which would explain things.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Looks like Thomas may be out which would explain things.

Usually that's just a temp thing. When it's a scratch taking their spot in lines, I'm not worried. If they put Buchnevich in Thomas' spot and bumped Hayes up, then I'd be worried.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I don't quite understand some of the coaching decisions, not that I disagree, but why some of this stuff wasn't tried earlier. I know in the Jersey game, we eventually moved back to normal lines after trying to break up the top line, and now not only are we breaking up the top line again, but slotting Buchnevich at center.

If you really want to see if Buchnevich can play center, why didn't you do it for longer stretches earlier in the season to either increase his trade value or determine if he's your #2 C and worth extending.

Also, nice to see Kessel actually in the lineup like we expected.

I want to see alexandrov centering skilled guys for 10+ game stretch. No idea if he can handle it, but we need to see if he has anything in him bc he hasn’t been good in 4th line role but his resume indicates he can play.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I want to see alexandrov centering skilled guys for 10+ game stretch. No idea if he can handle it, but we need to see if he has anything in him bc he hasn’t been good in 4th line role but his resume indicates he can play.

I imagine they have their mind made up at this point, but yeah, don't Walman the situation just because that's what you think. Throw him on the wing in the top 6 for 10ish games and see what happens.

 

[scoob4093]

It's gotta be one of Scandella or Faulk. Scandella because he isn't playing premium ice time and Faulk because with the way he's been playing, they might just sit him the rest of the year claiming an injury. I'm perfectly fine with it since Kessel seemed to stabilize the 2nd pair a bit more.

Appreciate the responses. I think he'll get a bit of a baptism by fire tonight as Montgomery will probably try to matchup either the Pastrnak or Marchand lines against him and Krug all night long.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Appreciate the responses. I think he'll get a bit of a baptism by fire tonight as Montgomery will probably try to matchup either the Pastrnak or Marchand lines against him and Krug all night long.

He did pretty well in his last run. Do you have any opinions on our other prospects at Springfield? Guys like Loof or Dean?

 

[joe galiba]

Looks like Thomas may be out which would explain things.

I have thought he has something going on with his legs, over the last couple of weeks he has been backchecking and unable to catch some guys that have no business outskating him

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I have a hard time Believing that they would Put Schenn on the Wing and Buch in the Middle if Thomas wasn't playing tonight. Most likely just a maintenance day for Thomas.

 

[joe galiba]

Schenn on wing with Thomas and Kyrou actually intrigues me

Peru with last years Faulk would intrigue me as well, this years Faulk not so much

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Blues recall Dean from Springfield | St. Louis Blues

St. Louis Blues President of Hockey Operations and General Manager Doug Armstrong announced today the team has recalled forward Zach Dean from its AHL affiliate, the Springfield Thunderbirds. Dean, 21, has dressed in 47 games for the Thunderbirds this season, posting 13 points (eight goals, five...

www.nhl.com

 

[Majorityof1]

Blues recall Dean from Springfield | St. Louis Blues

St. Louis Blues President of Hockey Operations and General Manager Doug Armstrong announced today the team has recalled forward Zach Dean from its AHL affiliate, the Springfield Thunderbirds. Dean, 21, has dressed in 47 games for the Thunderbirds this season, posting 13 points (eight goals, five...

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Thomas may really be out for a bit. Although we already have Blias and Alexandrov in the press box. I'd rather role with Alexandrov than call Dean up when he is getting great minutes in Springdale finally.

 

[LGB]

Kevin Hayes + Kasperi Kapenen = $6,771,429

Ryan O'Reilly = $4,500,000

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Ryan O'Reilly at age 35 & 36: $4.5M per season.

 

[BlueDream]

Ryan O'Reilly at age 35 & 36: $4.5M per season.

That doesn’t sound bad. We have worse contracts.

And a gaping hole at 2C.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Now? Sure. When he's 35 & 36, I don't think he's going to be solving any problems for us at 2C.

 

[execwrite1]

Ryan O'Reilly at age 35 & 36: $4.5M per season.

Blues get Otto Stenberg and Jurak Pekarcik and Toronto's second pick in 2024 for O'Reilly.

 

[Brockon]

We had the ability to make those moves because DA was willing to deal out top picks and top prospects and didn't have his hands tied by players with NTCs. [Aided by the fact that Berglund's agent dragged his feet submitting the teams for Berglund's NTC.]

There's no evidence he's willing to touch high picks or high prospects and he's by and large tied up by NTCs or guys he's not trading because they're part of the future, outside of Buchnevich's 12-team (8-team next season) NTC or Binnington's 18-team NTC that starts July 1. What's left after that is moving Kyrou [who's paying him $10.9M next season, $10.5M the season after and taking $8.125M on the cap for reasonably above average offense, at best less than mediocre defense?] and that's a roster-shaking move that better result in a better roster quickly that shows up in the standings.

I think you're getting your players and NTC details mixed up, unless Capfriendly isn't reporting them accurately?

The only player with a currently active NTC on our team with variable M-NTC terms listed per Capfriendly is Binnington - all the others (Schenn's 15, Buch's 12, Saad's 12, Hayes' 12, Faulk's 15, Krug's 15, Parayko's 15, Leddy's 16 and Scandella's 7 team no trade clauses) convert from a full NTC to M-NTC with a fixed number of teams on the M-NTC for the applicable years.

Binnington has
24-25, 18 team M-NTC
25-26, 14 team M-NTC
26-27, 10 team M-NTC

 

[Ted Hoffman]

I think you're getting your players and NTC details mixed up, unless Capfriendly isn't reporting them accurately?

The only player with a currently active NTC on our team with variable M-NTC terms listed per Capfriendly is Binnington - all the others (Schenn's 15, Buch's 12, Saad's 12, Hayes' 12, Faulk's 15, Krug's 15, Parayko's 15, Leddy's 16 and Scandella's 7 team no trade clauses) convert from a full NTC to M-NTC with a fixed number of teams on the M-NTC for the applicable years.

Binnington has
24-25, 18 team M-NTC
25-26, 14 team M-NTC
26-27, 10 team M-NTC

OK, the only one I missed was Hayes and his 12-team NTC. Which, I'm gonna be honest, I don't think we're moving between now and next season. The rest of it I should have correct: the only guy with a NTC we can move right now that doesn't have full protection is Buchnevich [and Hayes], the only other one we'd have for next season is Binnington starting July 1. Everyone else we have to wait until July 1, 2025 [ignoring that the note on Leddy says June 30, which ... it's 1 day, that's not game-changing by any stretch].

I'm not worried about whether the number of teams on/off a NTC shift over time like with Binnington, I'm worried about of the guys with a NTC, do we have the ability to move them anywhere without having to get their approval? which, by and large for another season, is no.

 

[Brockon]

OK, the only one I missed was Hayes and his 12-team NTC. Which, I'm gonna be honest, I don't think we're moving between now and next season. The rest of it I should have correct: the only guy with a NTC we can move right now that doesn't have full protection is Buchnevich [and Hayes], the only other one we'd have for next season is Binnington starting July 1. Everyone else we have to wait until July 1, 2025 [ignoring that the note on Leddy says June 30, which ... it's 1 day, that's not game-changing by any stretch].

I'm not worried about whether the number of teams on/off a NTC shift over time like with Binnington, I'm worried about of the guys with a NTC, do we have the ability to move them anywhere without having to get their approval? which, by and large for another season, is no.

The initial reason for quoting you was you'd stated Buch's M-NTC changed from 12 teams this year to 8 next year, which I'm not seeing.

Listing off the others was mostly to clarify I'd looked at other's NTC details - not to highlight Hayes being omitted.

I'm curious where you're seeing Buch's M-NTC changing the number of teams it applies to from 2023-24 to 2024-25 that reports it having different terms from Capfriendly - underlining I need to start using a different source that's more accurate when looking into those kinds of details.

Edit: grammar, italicized

 

[Ted Hoffman]

The initial reason for quoting you was you'd stated Buch's M-NTC changed from 12 teams this year to 8 next year, which I'm not seeing.

Listing off the others was mostly to clarify I'd looked at other's NTC details - not to highlight Hayes being omitted.

I'm curious where you're seeing Buch's M-NTC changing the number of teams it applies to from 2023-24 to 2024-25 that reports it having different terms from Capfriendly - underlining I need to start using a different source that's more accurate when looking into those kinds of details.

Edit: grammar, italicized

Ah, OK - I see your point now. I thought I saw Buchnevich's 12-team list dropped to 8 teams, but I don't see it there and I would swear it showed up on a hover over it at some point. It's entirely possible I picked that idea up when scanning articles elsewhere and mixed up details and names, or summaries for some article mixed up details and names and I just seized on it.

I don't know, but it looks like 12 teams and no changes, so I stand corrected on that.

 

[Brockon]

Ah, OK - I see your point now. I thought I saw Buchnevich's 12-team list dropped to 8 teams, but I don't see it there and I would swear it showed up on a hover over it at some point. It's entirely possible I picked that idea up when scanning articles elsewhere and mixed up details and names, or summaries for some article mixed up details and names and I just seized on it.

I don't know, but it looks like 12 teams and no changes, so I stand corrected on that.

If I'd been trying to prove something, my post would have been more detailed, including the years the NTC become M-NTC. As you imply that's pretty important stuff relative to the ease of working deals we love to armchair GM here.

But, I'm mostly concerned about the accuracy of my go to source and/or reporting errors there to ensure that it remains accurate for my usage in forum discussions and for my salaried fantasy hockey pool applications.

I probably spend more time on Capfriendly than I do here on HFB, which definitely says something about me... I don’t really want to dwell on what exactly...

 

[Xerloris]

I happened to see this on reddit and I was wondering if anyone here wanted to take a look at see if this guy is correct. Interesting if he is.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I happened to see this on reddit and I was wondering if anyone here wanted to take a look at see if this guy is correct. Interesting if he is.

This is where he ranks against the rest of the team (the 23 players [forwards and defenseman] who has played more than 100 minutes) per NaturalStatTrick He is in the top 5 the team in all but 10 of the 63 areas

	All Strengths	5v5	Even Strength
CF/60	1	3	3
CA/60	2	4	4
CA%	1	3	3
FF/60	1	3	3
FA/60	2	5	4
FF%	1	2	2
SF/60	1	3	3
SA/60	2	5	5
SF%	1	3	3
GF/60	4	3	4
GA/60	15 (RT is 19, Buch is 18)	14 (RT is 3, Buch is 8)	21 (Buch is 15, RT is 12)
GF%	4	5	9
xGF/60	3	3	4
xGA/60	8 (Buch is 15, RT is 18)	3 (Buch is 6, RT is 10)	18 (RT is 20, Buch is 19)
xGF%	1	3	6
SCF/60	2	3	3
SCA/60	1	7	7
SCF	1	3	3
HDCF/60	2	6	4
HDCA/60	1	4	3
HDCF%	1	3	2

I would definitely not be calling him elite. But he is one of the best defensive forwards we have this season (Tho that bar isn't a very tall one to climb). He needs to be better no doubt, but, he is making strides in the correct direction defensively.