2023-2024 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread

[britishblue]

But but, he's a +3

Tbf i would rather this Krug, who is actually playing pretty solid d, then Krug of the last few seasons who would have a few points by now but also would have been caved in each night.

 

[stl76]

Only 1 full-time player doesn't have a point and it's not Binnington, it's freaking Krug.

Such a terrible move by Army.

Not defending the signing, but Krug has looked decent so far 5v5 IMO despite the lack of offense. PP has obviously been awful and Krug deserves some blame there...but that's at least partially on coaching/scheme/other players as well.

Hilarious that Binnington has a point and Krug doesn't so far tho. Saw Binner got an assist last night haha

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Tbf i would rather this Krug, who is actually playing pretty solid d, then Krug of the last few seasons who would have a few points by now but also would have been caved in each night.

Like having 10 points and being a -7?

 

[TheDizee]

havent seen a game since the turd Canadian road trip but Krug was playing real poor hockey then. hes not paid to defend like a stud, hes paid to put up PP points and move the puck and not be totally putrid on D.

Our Power Play is a joke because of him, Kyrou and schenn stinking mostly.

 

[542365]

+\- has basically no correlation to defensive play/ability.

 

[stlbluz]

You can always tell if we're winning or losing by how far up the ladder the Trade Thread is lol

 

[STL fan in MN]

This is an article about the broadcast rights of NBA teams reverting from Bally Sports back to the league next season. But at the end of the article is says their intent is to strike a similar deal with the NHL.
Bally Sports NBA rights to revert to league next year

This tells me this is likely the last year of the Blues on BSMW and they/the league will have to figure out something else for next season and beyond.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Hofer in net tonight v. Yotes.

 

[Majorityof1]

Hofer in net tonight v. Yotes.

Confirmed Binnington to Edmonton

 

[Brian39]

Hofer in net tonight v. Yotes.

This was an easy choice.

Binner should play against the Avs on Saturday, we weren't going to let Hofer sit for 11 days before playing San Jose, and we weren't going to have Hofer start 2 games in a row by playing against Tampa and San Jose next week.

This was an easy choice as a 'play your backup' night based on the schedule.

But also, we should clearly read into this and assume that we are holding out Binner to make sure he doesn't get injured while working on a trade.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Friedman said on the 32 Thoughts podcast released this morning that he was told on Wednesday to keep an eye on the Oilers as they were close to making a move for a goalie and it wasn't referencing the Campbell demotion.

Maybe there is (was?) a little more to this than we thought. Generally speaking, not in reference to the Hofer start.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

I mean after losing to the Sharks last night you gotta think they're going to fire the entire coaching staff at the very least.

 

[DoubleK81]

There is no way in hell Binnington is waiving for the Oilers

 

[Brian39]

Friedman said on the 32 Thoughts podcast released this morning that he was told on Wednesday to keep an eye on the Oilers as they were close to making a move for a goalie and it wasn't referencing the Campbell demotion.

Maybe there is (was?) a little more to this than we thought. Generally speaking, not in reference to the Hofer start.

He also said that their conversation with Campbell was that he was being waived to find his game in the AHL and then come back and contribute for the Oilers. I found that really interesting in combination with the rumor of them being close to making a move for a goalie.

I think they might be shopping Skinner since his contract ($2.6M x 3) should be way easier to move than Campbell's ($5M x 4). Skinner is only 25 and was very good last year. He's been awful this season, but I bet plenty of rebuilding teams would see a lot of potential upside there.

Skinner++ for Carter Hart with 50% retention makes a lot of sense to me. That would actually free up about $600k of cap space for Edmonton right now. Hart and Skinner are the same age, so that eases the sting of giving up on Skinner at just 25 years old. Hart is an RFA at the end of the year, so he wouldn't be a rental. He would need a raise next year if he is the solution, but a Campbell buyout would free up $4M in space to cover all or most of it. That is an option to make it work long term that just isn't available to solve the problem right now.

 

[Brian39]

I mean after losing to the Sharks last night you gotta think they're going to fire the entire coaching staff at the very least.

I think you owe the coaches a new goalie before firing them. They outshot the Sharks 41 to 18 and got 61% of the expected goals at 5 on 5. They outshot Vancouver 46-24 the previous game with 56% of the expected goals at 5 on 5. I have a really, really difficult time putting those two games on the coaching staff. I only watched about half of each game, but my eyes saw a team that can't buy a goal and can't get a save.

I won't be surprised if the coach is the one who takes the bullet here, but I think their problem is much more goaltending than coaching at the moment.

Edit: I just looked at gamelogs and good lord the goaltending is somehow worse than I was thinking.

Campbell's SV% in losses: .750, .875, .806, and .853

Skinner's SV% in losses: .750, .750, .889 (OT loss), .906, .852, .833, and .833

Honestly, what can the coach do with that? Edmonton is 2-1-1 in games where the goalies put up an .880 or better.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

I think you owe the coaches a new goalie before firing them. They outshot the Sharks 41 to 18 and got 61% of the expected goals at 5 on 5. They outshot Vancouver 46-24 the previous game with 56% of the expected goals at 5 on 5. I have a really, really difficult time putting those two games on the coaching staff. I only watched about half of each game, but my eyes saw a team that can't buy a goal and can't get a save.

I won't be surprised if the coach is the one who takes the bullet here, but I think their problem is much more goaltending than coaching at the moment.

I agree, and in a fair world that's how it would go. Somehow the goalie coach for the Oilers has been there 10 years and still has a job, in a truly fair world only that guy would see the door.

But as we've seen time and again it's a lot easier to fire a coach then make just about any other move.

McDavid also doesn't look right at all. I think he came back way too early from injury to play in the Heritage Classic.

 

[Majorityof1]

I think you owe the coaches a new goalie before firing them. They outshot the Sharks 41 to 18 and got 61% of the expected goals at 5 on 5. They outshot Vancouver 46-24 the previous game with 56% of the expected goals at 5 on 5. I have a really, really difficult time putting those two games on the coaching staff. I only watched about half of each game, but my eyes saw a team that can't buy a goal and can't get a save.

I won't be surprised if the coach is the one who takes the bullet here, but I think their problem is much more goaltending than coaching at the moment.

Edit: I just looked at gamelogs and good lord the goaltending is somehow worse than I was thinking.

Campbell's SV% in losses: .750, .875, .806, and .853

Skinner's SV% in losses: .750, .750, .889 (OT loss), .906, .852, .833, and .833

Honestly, what can the coach do with that? Edmonton is 2-1-1 in games where the goalies put up an .880 or better.

Its kind of crazy looking at Edmonton's team fancy stats. They are leading the league fairly comfortably in 5v5 xGF%, HD Chances For %, 2nd in CF%. But they are 3rd to last in the league in actual GF%, and its because they are 3rd worst PDO, the 2nd worst save %. And keep in mind, that is with giving so few HD chances. Calgary has worse goaltending, but they are giving up a lot more bad chances. Edmonton has given up the 3rd least HD chances, but given up the 2nd most HD goals. They are getting no saves. Not on easy chances, and especially not on tough ones.

We are kind of the exact opposite. We are the 3rd worst team in xGF%, but we are being bailed out by the 7th best PDO which leaves us a mediocre team.

 

[Brian39]

Its kind of crazy looking at Edmonton's team fancy stats. They are leading the league fairly comfortably in 5v5 xGF%, HD Chances For %, 2nd in CF%. But they are 3rd to last in the league in actual GF%, and its because they are 3rd worst PDO, the 2nd worst save %. And keep in mind, that is with giving so few HD chances. Calgary has worse goaltending, but they are giving up a lot more bad chances. Edmonton has given up the 3rd least HD chances, but given up the 2nd most HD goals. They are getting no saves. Not on easy chances, and especially not on tough ones.

We are kind of the exact opposite. We are the 3rd worst team in xGF%, but we are being bailed out by the 7th best PDO which leaves us a mediocre team.

Yeah, I think Edmonton's reputation as a poor defensive team is causing people to assume that the goalies have been hung out to dry because that has historically been the case. They really haven't been.

 

[ezcreepin]

Its kind of crazy looking at Edmonton's team fancy stats. They are leading the league fairly comfortably in 5v5 xGF%, HD Chances For %, 2nd in CF%. But they are 3rd to last in the league in actual GF%, and its because they are 3rd worst PDO, the 2nd worst save %. And keep in mind, that is with giving so few HD chances. Calgary has worse goaltending, but they are giving up a lot more bad chances. Edmonton has given up the 3rd least HD chances, but given up the 2nd most HD goals. They are getting no saves. Not on easy chances, and especially not on tough ones.

We are kind of the exact opposite. We are the 3rd worst team in xGF%, but we are being bailed out by the 7th best PDO which leaves us a mediocre team.

Yeah, I think Edmonton's reputation as a poor defensive team is causing people to assume that the goalies have been hung out to dry because that has historically been the case. They really haven't been.

Like, their defense probably isn't amazing, but it's at least serviceable given their talent up front. They are outshooting every team in the league and they are giving up almost the 10th least shots a game. And given the advanced stats, it doesn't seem like they are even playing that bad defensively, but holy f*** I don't think I've ever seen goaltending this bad. We saw glimpses of it when Allen couldn't buy a save, but this is so so much worse than what was happening with the Blues.

 

[The Note]

Honestly, what can the coach do with that? Edmonton is 2-1-1 in games where the goalies put up an .880 or better.

This is such a good/bleak stat. Unbelievable.

 

[Brian39]

Like, their defense probably isn't amazing, but it's at least serviceable given their talent up front. They are outshooting every team in the league and they are giving up almost the 10th least shots a game. And given the advanced stats, it doesn't seem like they are even playing that bad defensively, but holy f*** I don't think I've ever seen goaltending this bad. We saw glimpses of it when Allen couldn't buy a save, but this is so so much worse than what was happening with the Blues.

I just (quickly) went through Allen's game logs and was unable to locate a single 8 game stretch where he was below an .860 SV%. Skinner is currently sporting a .854 SV% through 8 games played.

I could have missed one because I wasn't willing to spend more than 5 minutes combing through Allen's old game logs, but I'm fairly confident that he never had such a bad 8 game run while he was here. And even in his worst streaks, we always had a 2nd goalie who could at least provide something close to NHL-caliber goaltending, unlike Jack Campbell who put up his .873 SV% in his 5 games.

This is easily worse than any stretch of poor goaltending we've seen on the Blues in my memory and it stands out even more since it is right at the start of a season. Just brutal.

 

[ezcreepin]

I just (quickly) went through Allen's game logs and was unable to locate a single 8 game stretch where he was below an .860 SV%. Skinner is currently sporting a .854 SV% through 8 games played.

I could have missed one because I wasn't willing to spend more than 5 minutes combing through Allen's old game logs, but I'm fairly confident that he never had such a bad 8 game run while he was here. And even in his worst streaks, we always had a 2nd goalie who could at least provide something close to NHL-caliber goaltending, unlike Jack Campbell who put up his .873 SV% in his 5 games.

This is easily worse than any stretch of poor goaltending we've seen on the Blues in my memory and it stands out even more since it is right at the start of a season. Just brutal.

Yea, Allen never had a stretch this bad. There was a point for the Blues where we were confident a goal would be scored against and would break the morale of the group, but it was NEVER at the level that I've seen from Campbell and Skinner. As much shit as we gave Allen for his performances, he was at least a 1B goalie, and played well when he wasn't being run into the ground. As brutal as last year and 2017-18 felt, I'd rather have those teams than what is happening to the Oilers.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

He also said that their conversation with Campbell was that he was being waived to find his game in the AHL and then come back and contribute for the Oilers. I found that really interesting in combination with the rumor of them being close to making a move for a goalie.

I think they might be shopping Skinner since his contract ($2.6M x 3) should be way easier to move than Campbell's ($5M x 4). Skinner is only 25 and was very good last year. He's been awful this season, but I bet plenty of rebuilding teams would see a lot of potential upside there.

Skinner++ for Carter Hart with 50% retention makes a lot of sense to me. That would actually free up about $600k of cap space for Edmonton right now. Hart and Skinner are the same age, so that eases the sting of giving up on Skinner at just 25 years old. Hart is an RFA at the end of the year, so he wouldn't be a rental. He would need a raise next year if he is the solution, but a Campbell buyout would free up $4M in space to cover all or most of it. That is an option to make it work long term that just isn't available to solve the problem right now.

as i mentioned earlier, skinner and bouchard for binnington is pretty darn close to working under the cap for everybody with only minor tweaks.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Its kind of crazy looking at Edmonton's team fancy stats. They are leading the league fairly comfortably in 5v5 xGF%, HD Chances For %, 2nd in CF%. But they are 3rd to last in the league in actual GF%, and its because they are 3rd worst PDO, the 2nd worst save %. And keep in mind, that is with giving so few HD chances. Calgary has worse goaltending, but they are giving up a lot more bad chances. Edmonton has given up the 3rd least HD chances, but given up the 2nd most HD goals. They are getting no saves. Not on easy chances, and especially not on tough ones.

We are kind of the exact opposite. We are the 3rd worst team in xGF%, but we are being bailed out by the 7th best PDO which leaves us a mediocre team.

I bet Edmonton still makes the playoffs, but they need to sort out their goaltending first. If not Binnington, SOMEONE will have a veteran goalie they can trade. This has Marc Andre Fleury written all over it (ignoring even looking at his contract).

I can see them with a 10 game win streak in a couple months.

I'm not one that is interested in moving Binnington, and I think its premature for Hofer to get too big of a role. But I would be excited about a trade like that because:
- it embraces a tank for THIS season, improving the chance to get a primo first round pick.
- Brings some future players back that I can get excited to watch

But it would have a financial cost much higher than the actual salary. The Blues' ticket sales would be sharply affected. I'd just as soon do that. I also think it would be really fun to root for him on Edmonton and watch that team try to do something in the post-season. I really would like to see McDavid get to the SCF some time. And Binnington in the HOF would really stick in some craws, which I also would welcome.

 

[Thallis]

Its kind of crazy looking at Edmonton's team fancy stats. They are leading the league fairly comfortably in 5v5 xGF%, HD Chances For %, 2nd in CF%. But they are 3rd to last in the league in actual GF%, and its because they are 3rd worst PDO, the 2nd worst save %. And keep in mind, that is with giving so few HD chances. Calgary has worse goaltending, but they are giving up a lot more bad chances. Edmonton has given up the 3rd least HD chances, but given up the 2nd most HD goals. They are getting no saves. Not on easy chances, and especially not on tough ones.

We are kind of the exact opposite. We are the 3rd worst team in xGF%, but we are being bailed out by the 7th best PDO which leaves us a mediocre team.

This is a scenario when the xGA isn't properly capturing the true danger of shots against. Edmonton is -16 in rush goals where they were +18 for the whole year last season. The volume is fairly low, but they're getting burned on back door tap ins after big defensive mistakes off the rush. Yet again, curse ClearSight and Sportlogiq for not having a way us lowly peasants can access their stats because they're telling a very different story based on the trickle of info Dimitri Filipovic has been giving on the PDOcast.