2022 World Junior Championship has been cancelled (MOD: Stay on topic)

[Stubu]

Some of y'all are weird.

Oopsie! My bad.

Signed, pEpPeRiDgE fArM

Much better, I admit.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

And yet, it was possible to hold and play out this tournament last year, a markedly worse time for the world, one where vaccines weren’t widely available and COVID was running a full ramp of destruction on the world.

Begs some questions. Mainly of the organizers and bureaucrats who chose to roll the dice and penny pinch instead of safeguarding the players in a bubble. Which has proven to be a successful format across several levels of amateur/pro hockey.

Things change suddenly and it looked like everything would be fine right up until about a week or two beforehand. Hindsight is 20/20, shit happens, and thats just life.

 

[covfefe]

Things change suddenly and it looked like everything would be fine right up until about a week or two beforehand. Hindsight is 20/20, shit happens, and thats just life.

Omicron was in the news at the end of November and we were fully aware of what the downside case was 3 weeks ago.

3 weeks is plenty of time to say, “hey, let’s get out in front of this thing, pivot, and run a bubble.”

I didn’t say this is the end of the world, I said it begs questions, which it does. I struggle to understand how one could not question the decision making process here. You don’t, all good.

 

[Confucius]

I agree 100% this omicron variant is spreading like wildfire!

Line up to get tested, keep in mind if you are in Ontario 1 in 5 in that line have covid

 

[RandR]

I agree 100%. Unfortunately that has been lost on a hige majority of people. I get we are all hockey fans here, and of course would of loved to have it continue, but in times like this it just wasn't possible

Absolutely. As much as so many people, myself included, are disappointed and frustrated about this cancellation, I don’t see the point in this collective blaming of basically just about anybody involved, including IIHF, Hockey Canada, Canadians, governments, health experts, etc, etc. because we fans have been deprived of something. Omicron and its timing is THE cause. If Omicron had happened a month later then they would have been able to finish this tournament (just in time), and if Omicron happened one or two months earlier than it probably would have been possible to bubble things up (even though that wedding party and most of the other non-hockey rooms in the hotels used were probably booked months ago). But no, Omicron hit at the very worse time possible.

Something I haven’t seen mentioned here is that the chief medical officer for the IIHF (don’t know his name but he was on TSN last night) said that the concern for the kids wasn’t just because they could get sick (especially since these are healthy double-vaccinated athletes) but their mental health. Omicron is spreading so quickly that there was obviously going to be a lot more players testing positive each day, and officials didn’t want a situation where if they continue for another week a lot of kids (all teenagers and some as young as 16) would end up quarantining for 10 days (under current regulations) in a foreign country past when their teammates had gone home.

The whole thing sucks big time, especially for the players who won’t be future pros and for whom this was going to be the highlight of their hockey lives. Hopefully they can reschedule things in June and this whole pandemic won’t throw another badly timed curveball at things.

 

[Zine]

Russian Federation: Michkov and Yurov tested positive. They'll be in quarantine for 10 days.

 

[dubey]

Line up to get tested, keep in mind if you are in Ontario 1 in 5 in that line have covid

No point in Ontario. It's next to impossible to get a test. If you're sick and/or have been in contact with anyone who has been sick - you're supposed to just assume you have it.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Something I haven’t seen mentioned here is that the chief medical officer for the IIHF (don’t know his name but he was on TSN last night) said that the concern for the kids wasn’t just because they could get sick (especially since these are healthy double-vaccinated athletes) but their mental health. Omicron is spreading so quickly that there was obviously going to be a lot more players testing positive each day, and officials didn’t want a situation where if they continue for another week where kids (all teenagers and some as young as 16) quarantining for 10 days (under current regulations) in a foreign country past when their teammates had gone home.

This is a very good point. These are not multi million $ professional athletes we are talking about (although some will be one day). These are teenagers. They 100% made the right call

 

[Stubu]

People blaming Canada or the government or the Alberta government. Need to realize the protocols are set by the iihf.

Not to mention people blaming Hockey Canada. Oh what nerve. What injustice.

However, last I checked the iihf doesn't have any stakes in the hospitality business in Canada. So there's that?

The actual decisions on the accommodation arrangements were, probably, not made by iihf alone.

The result of the (reasonable, insufficient, half mad, other) testing and restrictions protocol is not the cause.

Blame all of 'em and let them dish it out.

 

[Korpse]

I'm good at getting my maths wrong, but it seems to be:

USA's population 329.5m
Finland's population 5.6m
= 59x

Finland 9k new cases yesterday (Dec 30 over Dec 29)
x 59 = 531k

Edit: source in English: Coronavirus cases, hospital treatment situation and deaths

If you really want to get good at maths, you would use a rolling average. The reporting methods in the two countries are different. Before the end of the day USA will be above 531K cases. I'm not sure what your point was in the first place but you certainly didn't prove anything.

 

[NyQuil]

It's embarrassing.

Sure, COVID-19 could have disrupted the tournament anyway, but the manner in which it happened reeks of incompetence.

 

[Confucius]

No point in Ontario. It's next to impossible to get a test. If you're sick and/or have been in contact with anyone who has been sick - you're supposed to just assume you have it.

Yeah its pretty well everywhere now. If you were in that line to get tested its 50/50 the guy infront or behind you is positive. The teams did well to have as few positives as they did.

 

[SergeConstantin74]

I'm good at getting my maths wrong, but it seems to be:

USA's population 329.5m
Finland's population 5.6m
= 59x

Finland 9k new cases yesterday (Dec 30 over Dec 29)
x 59 = 531k

Edit: source in English: Coronavirus cases, hospital treatment situation and deaths

I didn't have the same number of new cases for Finland but your's correct. That's one hell of a jump from previous days this week. USA's number was just updated higher around 500k.

I just don't see why you compared the numbers with Finland since the WJC wasn't in Finland.

 

[Stubu]

If you really want to get good at maths, you would use a rolling average. The reporting methods in the two countries are different. Before the end of the day USA will be above 531K cases. I'm not sure what your point was in the first place but you certainly didn't prove anything.

I didn't have any point to make, I thought the poster didn't know it's also a high number elsewhere.

I agree the reporting methods are different; this has been visible throughout this whole blasted pandemic time since early 2020. (For one, Johns Hopkins University inputs pretty weird data from Europe, and that in turn is reflected on sites like Our World In Data, that in turn newspapers like The Guardian go by in their own weird ways, so in the end you get unreliable reporting from those outlets.)

It's funny how you talk about "rolling average" then "end of the day". I mean, nobody's getting hourly updates.

I'm not out to prove anything. Get yours somewhere else.

 

[Stubu]

I didn't have the same number of new cases for Finland but your's correct. That's one hell of a jump from previous days this week. USA's number was just updated higher around 500k.

I just don't see why you compared the numbers with Finland since the WJC wasn't in Finland.

Nothing about the WJC, sure. Up in this convo someone talked about USA's world record figures and I just wanted to point out it's bad everywhere. Yup this isn't a really fruitful siderail overall but HFB happens.

 

[SergeConstantin74]

Nothing about the WJC, sure. Up in this convo someone talked about USA's world record figures and I just wanted to point out it's bad everywhere. Yup this isn't a really fruitful siderail overall but HFB happens.

That's because you didn't understand the point of the post about the USA's numbers. FYI, it wasn't about the record.

 

[Stubu]

That's because you didn't understand the point of the post about the USA's numbers. FYI, it wasn't about the record.

Ah okay, I see it now. Someone quipped the tourney should have been in USA not Canada, you reacted to that, and I bumbled in there. Cripes, I should have seen it. "Don't touch this with a 10ft pole."

I posted some data juxtaposing some data. Now I'm off and away. Have a good day!

 

[Stubu]

Not overly surprised if it was Omicron and he experienced little to no symptoms. A lot of data out of the UK and South Africa where this started have the same conclusion that it spreads far faster but is less severe in healthy fully vaccinated people. The common flu is as bad or worse than Omircon in fully vaccinated individuals who are healthy.

This is pretty much what we're seeing in Finland, Omicron isn't straining the overall healthcare like Delta has done. However, can you drop the "common flu" schtick? Influenza is not like common cold, corona (any variant) can kill healthy people who happen to be in a risk group, and so forth. Just drop the comparison because it's not apt.

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

unfortunately this doesn't seem to be the case with omicron

Well duh, they're the ones that are out more than any other demographic. How many are dying? How many are getting admitted into the hospital? Look those stats up and get back to me with something useful. These are likely people who are experiencing flu like symptoms and going into hospitals to get tested.

 

[Macman]

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Someone needs to explain to that agent that it’s been a long time since Canadian teams were afraid of Russian teams at any level. The notion that this was somehow a conspiracy is laughable but predictable.

 

[wacko2]

Someone needs to explain to that agent that it’s been a long time since Canadian teams were afraid of Russian teams at any level. The notion that this was somehow a conspiracy is laughable but predictable.

Canadians today are only scared of living life.

So weak and your government knows and is laughing at all of you while they party unmasked

 

[Macman]

Canadians today are only scared of living life.

So weak and your government knows and is laughing at all of you while they party unmasked

Party on, too, Wacko.

 

[TheRarestDangles]

No reason to, just stay inside and isolate. you have water, when food runs out order delivery.

It'll be like that SpongeBob episode where he sings "Indooorsssss"

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

You do realize that anybody can be a Karen right? Man, woman, any race. It's not a white suburban woman, it's a mentality.

Not gonna lie, I laughed at "it's a mentality" when I read it. I just picture a group of moms who gathered together after meeting in a Facebook group and one of the moms is not taking it seriously enough with the leader of the group going, "Gosh darnit, Sue! You have to commit to this! It's a mentality!"

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Canadians today are only scared of living life.

So weak and your government knows and is laughing at all of you while they party unmasked

Why would any government want its citizens to be locked up in their homes? Especially to the point that the economy falters, blame gets placed on them and they do not win re election. Do you really think this is some sinister plot Trudeau cooked up to fool us all? It makes absolutely zero sense, and frankly is nonsense.