2022 World Junior Championship has been cancelled (MOD: Stay on topic)

[IceBjoern]

Finland had collected the most points at the time of the decision, so Finland should be awarded the gold medals.

I sort of agree. Though I would like for it to be shared with Sweden (we beat Russia after all).

 

[William H Bonney]

Bring the heat.

 

[Hullois]

Tardiff is not even trying to answer the questions. Asked why they didn't do a strict bubble again this year like they did last year he literally did not say a word about it.

 

[KingAlfie11]

Canada as a whole is a joke when it comes to this covid bs.

I disagree Canada did it the right way!

 

[Yakushev72]

thanks for ruining my holidays iihf idiots. hopefully russia can do a better job next year then we did.

Since when did the IIHF get involved in scheduling wedding parties in Edmonton hotels?

 

[Mediator97]

We humans really love to argue about the things we have no competence forming opinions about.

 

[imarriedawitch]

thanks for the gas lighting

Part of the problem is that some of your statements are at odds with each other. On one hand you're fine with letting the young, athletic Covid positive go about their daily lives and then later state the elderly (vulnerable) should be protected the most. How do they avoid each other in cases where they don't know each other. While you know all the people you know you don't know everyone they know.

 

[Smif]

and if it takes statistics and mental gymnastics to reach a conclusion regarding the severity of the virus instead of facts… well, then it wasn’t all that severe after all.

But whatever the severity of the virus, the restrictions have caused way more damage in the end and has probably caused many more deaths than necessary due to mental illness.

100% agree.

The deaths are immediate and easy to quantify whereas the long-term ramifications of lockdowns surely will never be realized. Devastating though, IMO.

 

[Pavels Dog]

no it's not, these mandates haven't stopped anything the vaccinated can still spread the disease...so what's the point of them?

To prevent serious sickness or death, to prevent hospitals from being overrun and letting us return to something close to normalcy.

Unfortunately, there are still far too many unvaccinated people around, and it seems especially bad in parts of north america such as where this tournament was taking place.

In Sweden we played a full SHL season last year and again this year. A lot of things are "normal", even if there are restrictions and guidelines.
But we also have decent vaccine coverage. Not perfect, but decent. That's the key. Get the vaccination rate as high as possible.

 

[MessierII]

To prevent serious sickness or death, to prevent hospitals from being overrun and letting us return to something close to normalcy.

Unfortunately, there are still far too many unvaccinated people around, and it seems especially bad in parts of north america such as where this tournament was taking place.

In Sweden we played a full SHL season last year and again this year. A lot of things are "normal", even if there are restrictions and guidelines.
But we also have decent vaccine coverage. Not perfect, but decent. That's the key. Get the vaccination rate as high as possible.

Alberta has a higher vaccination rate than Sweden.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Is everyone who does not 100% agree with the North American approach a covid denier and anti vaxxer?

They seem to be one and the same.

 

[Goon42]

Total bummer

 

[Quinning]

Man, the last two years have absolutely sucked ass.

 

[Jussi]

Here in Finland, I could go watch a Liiga game tomorrow. I travelled from my home country, Canada, not far from the WJC, to Finland yesterday. The difference in how I was treated by Finland and my home country was stark. And the part that drives me crazy is how a lot of Canadians don't have any problem with it whatsoever.

Actaully there's very few places where you can do that.

 

[snipes]

Bring the heat.

This debacle should sink Tourdif.

All around, and to top it off the hotel rooms with a bloody wedding party in Red Deer happening at the same time as players are staying there is so far beyond stupid.

No offence to the people of Red Deer, but man how does that happen? That’s incomprehensible that there wasn’t better planning.

 

[Pez68]

makes sense with the revenue

- 50% capacity cuts from the government
- max attendance for one game was 4,000 people
- No Food or beverage allowed (that killed their bottom line apparently)
- 65% of the WJC game packages bought were returned
- averaged about 1,900 per game

this thing was destined to lose money

The most logical post in this thread, and the real reason this tournament failed. It was all about money. The cancellation of the tournament has nothing to do with control, or restrictions, or government overreach, or illogical mandates, or any of that nonsense. It's about money, and the fact that this tournament was losing it... They absolutely could have made this work by isolating teams in dedicated hotels, setting up a mini-bubble, adopting rules to match the NBA/NFL when it comes to testing/asymptomatic players.

Blame the IIHF, Hockey Canada, and the Edmonton Oilers.

 

[IceBjoern]

I was hoping for a peer reviewed soruce that accounts for the multi-week/month lag in reporting that often confounds these kinds of numbers until well into the following year. I assumed you had something like that.

I’m sorry I couldn’t meet your standards.

 

[SantosHalper]

There's a lot of words i would like say right now, but im gonna hold my tongue. And there's lot of heads i would like rip off right now, mostly from IIHF & Hockey Canada.

 

[William H Bonney]

This debacle should sink Tourdif.

All around, and to top it off the hotel rooms with a bloody wedding party in Red Deer happening at the same time as players are staying there is so far behind stupid.

No offence to the people of Red Deer, but man how does that happen? That’s incomprehensible that there wasn’t better planning.

Hockey Canada in Baghdad Bob mode. What a mind boggling opinion from Hockey Canada. Floor exclusivity is pointless. You can't avoid shared areas in a hotel. Instead of "floor exclusivity" at multiple hotels, they could have just rented an entire hotel and avoided this mess.

 

[inthewings]

I’m sorry I couldn’t meet your standards.

I guess I'm not really sure why you'd share numbers that you found in a quick google search and don't really understand, but as you say, that's more a problem of my own expectations.

 

[snipes]

Hockey Canada did nothing wrong. What a mind boggling opinion from Hockey Canada.

Dean McIntosh. Don’t know the guy or ever heard of him but there’s a name I never want to hear again.

Hockey Canada just doubling down on this shit like in the emails they sent to people who purchased packages. The tone and how they handled that was sickening, I guess it was an omen for things to come with this tournament.

 

[Pez68]

Hockey Canada in Baghdad Bob mode. What a mind boggling opinion from Hockey Canada. Floor exclusivity is pointless. You can't avoid shared areas in a hotel. Instead of "floor exclusivity" at multiple hotels, they could have just rented an entire hotel and avoided this mess.

Exhibit A as to why this tournament failed. Look at the idiots running Hockey Canada...

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

I think the vaccine has its purpose. The fact of the matter is other countries with lower vaccination rates are doing better than us. The vaccine is not some miracle cure that they’ve been selling us. In fact every single outcome they’ve predicted from it so far has been wrong. Getting everyone vaccinated will not end the pandemic that is abundantly clear.

Every single out come predicted has been wrong. It’s as if….and bear with me on this one….it’s an evolving situation.

Getting everyone vaccinated would end this thing sooner than letting it run rampant like you want it to.

 

[William H Bonney]

Dean McIntosh. Don’t know the guy or ever heard of him but there’s a name I never want to hear again.

Hockey Canada just doubling down on this shit like in the emails they sent to people who purchased packages. The tone and how they handled that was sickening, I guess it was an omen for things to come with this tournament.

Hockey Canada's VP of Events basically in charge of this event.

 

[Leafidelity]

and there are roughly 7,750,000,000 people on earth.
that equals to about 0.07 of the world's population have died to corona.
even if we use the total WW corona infections of 283m to the 5.4m deaths, that still puts survival rate at 98.2

it is statistical fear mongering.
it's like when people try to use the scary stat of "1 in 500 WILL DIE of corona!" but that equals to 99.8 will live and be fine.

That's 5.4m in 18 months with vaccines and social distancing. You can hand wave away all you want, 5.4 million is 5.4 million that didnt deserve to die.

The numbers only seem small until it effects you and your circle.