GDT: 2022 WJC Gold Medal Game FIN vs CAN 6pm MT, 8pm ET 2022-08-20

[ORRFForever]

Canada won, but it's a toss up as to who is the best team. Out of 10 games, I'd say CAN might win 5-6, FIN 4-5.It's that close.

Stankoven really came alive at the end of the tournament. They needed him.

I disagree. Take the pressure of the moment away and Canada wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Heck, we won 2 of 2.

 

[NyQuil]

I feel it does. We were terrific.

McDavid lost because he was playing on a different team?

How dumb is that?

I was actually rooting for Team Europe in the final because it would have been hilarious if they’d won.

Did they even have an anthem ready?

 

[ORRFForever]

McDavid lost because he was playing on a different team?

How dumb is that?

I was actually rooting for Team Europe in the final because it would have been hilarious if they’d won.

Did they even have an anthem ready?

^I don't know how to answer that.^

I'd include it with the "best on best".

 

[NyQuil]

I don't know how to answer that.

I'd include it with the best on best.

The US was particularly crippled by the Young Stars team.

No way would I include it.

 

[ORRFForever]

The US was particularly crippled by the Young Stars team.

No way would I include it.

The U.S. wasn't crippled. They were just a poor team.

Anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[NyQuil]

The U.S. wasn't crippled. They were just a poor team.

Anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree.

How can it be best on best when they distributed the Canadian and US players across two separate teams?

The US was missing:
-Jones
-Eichel
-Matthews
-Gaudreau
-Larkin
-JT Miller

Among others, all of whom should have played for the US.

Team North America prevented it from being a best on best tournament.

 

[ORRFForever]

How can it be best on best when they distributed the Canadian and US players across two separate teams?

If the U.S. had won, they'd be saying it was best on best so...

Again, we can agree to disagree - we aren't going to change each other's minds.

 

[Peiskos]

Might be, but my point was to calm down some of the Canadians here who are talking about some clear dominance and Canada being somekind of a lone hockey power in the world.

Like I said, in terms of best vs best Canada is a lone hockey power in the world, no other country has won more than 1 best vs best tournament while Canada has 10, this clearly qualifies Canada as a lone hockey power in terms of best vs best level.

 

[NyQuil]

If the U.S. had won, they'd be saying it was best on best so...

Again, we can agree to disagree - we aren't going to change each other's minds.

And if Team North America had won?

What then?

 

[ORRFForever]

And if Team North America had won?

What then?

Then we lost a best on best.

Most of the young guns would not have made Team Canada or Team USA.

At the end of the day, a depleted Canadian team swept the tournament. Give credit where credit is due.

 

[NyQuil]

Most of the young guns would not have made Team Canada or Team USA.

You might want to re-familiarize yourself with the rosters. I’m sure the US would have liked Gaudreau, Matthews and Eichel.

Then we lost a best on best.

To our own players?

You see how silly it is?

 

[karhukissa]

Like I said, in terms of best vs best Canada is a lone hockey power in the world, no other country has won more than 1 best vs best tournament while Canada has 10, this clearly qualifies Canada as a lone hockey power in terms of best vs best level.

This being a lone and superior hockey power is so huge deal to some of you Canadians so you can have it, it's your sport so i understand.

If some country other than Canada wins the next best vs best tournament, you still say that you're the lone hockey power because of the best production and whatever the reason might be.

 

[ORRFForever]

You might want to re-familiarize yourself with the rosters



To our own players?

You see how silly it is?

Matthews was 18, Eichel 19. Again, most of them don't make the U.S. team.

If the U.S. won they'd be saying it was Best-On-Best - that I promise you. They'd say, 'We lost our young guns and still won a best on best" - and I'd agree with them. So, if it is good enough for the U.S., it's good enough for us.

Anyway, like I said, we can agree to disagree and I don't want to hijack this thread (any more than we already have) so you can have the last word,

Be well.

 

[Peiskos]

This being a lone and superior hockey power is so huge deal to some of you Canadians so you can have it, it's your sport so i understand.

If some country other than Canada wins the next best vs best tournament, you still say that you're the lone hockey power because of the best production and whatever the reason might be.

No it isn't any deal, I'm just mentioning the breakdown of the tournaments that have taken place. If we're analyzing the existence of a lone power at a certain level an argument can be made that says the best vs best level is unchallenged for Canada. When one country has won 10 of such tournaments and all the other competition hasn't won more than 1 each how can't you?

Its nothing personal, this is just a take based on the numbers.

 

[Silky Johnson]

McDavid lost because he was playing on a different team?

How dumb is that?

I was actually rooting for Team Europe in the final because it would have been hilarious if they’d won.

Did they even have an anthem ready?

A Team Young Stars victory would have been amazing and the only good thing about that abortion of a format - in so much as it would point out its stupidity.

Team Canada did play awesome though.

To be honest, even with the NHL trying to ruin the tournament with the ridiculous gimmick teams, I still care more about that win then any WHC. The best teams being determined by the random distribution of non-playoff teams and which players feel like/can be coerced into playing is way more stupid and de-legitimising.

 

[57special]

I disagree. Take the pressure of the moment away and Canada wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Heck, we won 2 of 2.

Why are you ingnoring the home advantage that Canada had, as well as the disparity in penalty time? Surely Finland would clean up their penalties, and benefit from playing at home, like most teams.

"Pressure" comes a distant 3rd to those two factors.

 

[ORRFForever]

Why are you ingnoring the home advantage that Canada had, as well as the disparity in penalty time? Surely Finland would clean up their penalties, and benefit from playing at home, like most teams.

"Pressure" comes a distant 3rd to those two factors.

I still think we win 7 (minimum).

 

[Ippenator]

Like I said, in terms of best vs best Canada is a lone hockey power in the world, no other country has won more than 1 best vs best tournament while Canada has 10, this clearly qualifies Canada as a lone hockey power in terms of best vs best level.

Hockey has changed a lot during the last 10 years, or even the last 20 years. But during the last 10 years it has become much more even between the four or five best countries. Sure, you can still live in the past and the superiority that you want to still see with Canada. Unfortunately we haven’t had a best on best tournament during the last 8 years already (can’t definitely count that BS gimmick tournament in 2016), and during that time it has exactly become much more even between the top class countries. Heck, Finland managed to even upset two times completely NHL player filled national teams with rosters that were almost full of Liiga players. The first time (2018 WHC) Finland had only one player who could be counted as an NHL player. That was Henri Jokiharju, and even he finished his season that year in the AHL.

Canada had players like: Hart, Theodore, Chabot, Nurse, Severson, Couturier, Dubois, Reinhart, Stone, Marchessault, Cirelli, Bertuzzi, Mantha and Henrique.

Russia had players like: Vasilyevski, Sergachyov, Orlov, Zadorov, Gavrikov, Kucherov, Malkin, Ovechkin, Kaprizov, Kuznetsov, Kovalchuk, Dadonov, Gusev and Anisimov.

Sweden had players like: Lundqvist, Markström, Larsson, Klingberg, Ekman-Larsson, Gustafsson, Ekholm, Landeskog, Pettersson, Nylander, Lindholm, Bratt, Kempe, Wennberg and Hörnqvist.

And Finland had Henri Jokiharju, many Liiga players, and some players from KHL, SHL and NLA.

Finland beat first Sweden in the quarter-finals, then Russia in the semi-finals and finally Canada in the final. Canada and Russia managed to score altogether only one goal against Finland in those games. And Finland beat in fact Canada twice in the tournament, as they played against each others also in the round robin.

It just shows that even when Canada can claim that they played with something like a B or probably even C team, Finland was able to beat them with a team that didn’t have any of even those C-class players. I would call that Finnish team something like Finland’s D team if we think of the players on the roster just purely based on their skill level. But they had big heart, and they were coached extremely well by Jukka Jalonen. And also the skill difference between the best European leagues and the NHL doesn’t seem to be exactly as massive, as some North Americans seem to think.

Anyway, lets see when the next best on best tournament is played. If it’s held in Europe, I’m pretty confident that the winner won’t be a North American team. If the tournament is held in North America, then for sure it’s likelier that the winner could be North American, but I for sure wouldn’t count in even that. A European team might very well have a chance with their best players available as well.

I can’t say for sure who will win then, but that I can say for sure that when that tournament is played, it won’t matter one bit how great Canada was over 20 years ago, 10 years ago, or even a couple of years ago. It will be about who is the best at right that moment.

 

[Peiskos]

Hockey has changed a lot during the last 10 years, or even the last 20 years. But during the last 10 years it has become much more even between the four or five best countries. Sure, you can still live in the past and the superiority that you want to still see with Canada. Unfortunately we haven’t had a best on best tournament during the last 8 years already (can’t definitely count that BS gimmick tournament in 2016), and during that time it has exactly become much more even between the top class countries. Heck, Finland managed to even upset two times completely NHL player filled national teams with rosters that were almost full of Liiga players. The first time (2018 WHC) Finland had only one player who could be counted as an NHL player. That was Henri Jokiharju, and even he finished his season that year in the AHL.

Canada had players like: Hart, Theodore, Chabot, Nurse, Severson, Couturier, Dubois, Reinhart, Stone, Marchessault, Cirelli, Bertuzzi, Mantha and Henrique.

Russia had players like: Vasilyevski, Sergachyov, Orlov, Zadorov, Gavrikov, Kucherov Malkin, Ovechkin, Kaprizov, Kuznetsov, Kovalchuk, Dadonov, Gusev and Anisimov.

Sweden had player like: Lundqvist, Markström, Larsson, Klingberg, Ekman-Larsson, Gustafsson, Ekholm, Landeskog, Pettersson, Nylander, Lindholm, Bratt, Kempe, Wennberg and Hörnqvist.

And Finland had Henri Jokiharju, many Liiga players, and some players from KHL, SHL and NLA.

Finland beat first Sweden in the quarter-finals, then Russia in the semi-finals and finally Canada in the final. Canada and Russia managed to score altogether only one goal against Finland in those games.

It just shows that even when Canada can claim that they played with something like a B or C team, Finland was able to beat them with a team that didn’t have any of even those C-class players. I would call that Finnish team something like Finland’s D team if we think of the players on the roster just purely based on their skill level. But they had big heart, and they were coached extremely well by Jukka Jalonen. And also the skill difference between the best European leagues and the NHL doesn’t seem to be exactly as massive, as some North Americans seem to think.

Anyway, lets see when the next best on best tournament is played. If it’s held in Europe, I’m pretty confident that the winner won’t be a North American team. If the tournament is held in North America, then for sure it’s likelier that the winner could be North American, but I for sure wouldn’t count in even that. A European team might very well have a chance with their best players available as well.

I can’t say for sure who will win then, but that I can say for sure that when that tournament is played, it won’t matter one bit how great Canada was over 20 years ago, 10 years ago, or even a couple of years ago. It will be about who is the best at right that moment.

Lol how can you confidently say if it's held in Europe it won't be won by a NA team when the last best vs best tournament held in Europe was won by a North American team? like this is just a nonsensical statement based on absolutely nothing and it doesn't do much to increase your credibility.

Are people really still clinging to this myth that Canada isn't good on European ice when Canada has won more in Europe than every European country has? Again no other country has won more than 1 best vs best tournament in their history while Canada has taken 10 of them, including 3 of the last 5.

Yes other countries have gotten better but we still see Canada's very best team have a 4th line better or at the very least equal to everyone else's 1st line, this depth is something clearly unique to Canada.

 

[Ippenator]

Lol how can you confidently say if it's held in Europe it won't be won by a NA team when the last best vs best tournament held in Europe was won by a North American team? like this is just a nonsensical statement based on absolutely nothing and it doesn't do much to increase your credibility.

Are people really still clinging to this myth that Canada isn't good on European ice when Canada has won more in Europe than every European country has? Again no other country has won more than 1 best vs best tournament in their history while Canada has taken 10 of them, including 3 of the last 5.

Yes other countries have gotten better but we still see Canada's very best team have a 4th line better or at the very least equal to everyone else's 1st line, this depth is something clearly unique to Canada.

Sure, you seem to live in the past and thrive on those past wins. I’ll let you have that until the next best on best tournament is played. I’m quite confident you will be shocked by some European teams then.

 

[Peiskos]

Sure, you seem to live in the past and thrive on those past wins. I’ll let you have that until the next best on best tournament is played. I’m quite confident you will be shocked by some European teams then.

It isn't about living in the past, when you are discussing the ranking of countries in hockey you must refer to prior tournaments wins, how else do we gauge where each country stands? I am quite confident that Canada will once again be the favourite going into the next best vs best tournament. Analyzing the rosters it's hard not to.

 

[D Wakaluk]

Give it a rest with your soft euroteams and what could happen in the future.

If we play ten best-on-best tournaments Canada takes 10/10. Would it hurt to admit that Canada could roster up 5-8 teams to a tournament and each team would be the favourite to win the whole thing?

 

[Jordan Belfort]

This being a lone and superior hockey power is so huge deal to some of you Canadians so you can have it, it's your sport so i understand.

If some country other than Canada wins the next best vs best tournament, you still say that you're the lone hockey power because of the best production and whatever the reason might be.

Finland just isn’t that good lmao. Enjoy another L

Hockey has changed a lot during the last 10 years, or even the last 20 years. But during the last 10 years it has become much more even between the four or five best countries. Sure, you can still live in the past and the superiority that you want to still see with Canada. Unfortunately we haven’t had a best on best tournament during the last 8 years already (can’t definitely count that BS gimmick tournament in 2016), and during that time it has exactly become much more even between the top class countries. Heck, Finland managed to even upset two times completely NHL player filled national teams with rosters that were almost full of Liiga players. The first time (2018 WHC) Finland had only one player who could be counted as an NHL player. That was Henri Jokiharju, and even he finished his season that year in the AHL.

Canada had players like: Hart, Theodore, Chabot, Nurse, Severson, Couturier, Dubois, Reinhart, Stone, Marchessault, Cirelli, Bertuzzi, Mantha and Henrique.

Russia had players like: Vasilyevski, Sergachyov, Orlov, Zadorov, Gavrikov, Kucherov, Malkin, Ovechkin, Kaprizov, Kuznetsov, Kovalchuk, Dadonov, Gusev and Anisimov.

Sweden had players like: Lundqvist, Markström, Larsson, Klingberg, Ekman-Larsson, Gustafsson, Ekholm, Landeskog, Pettersson, Nylander, Lindholm, Bratt, Kempe, Wennberg and Hörnqvist.

And Finland had Henri Jokiharju, many Liiga players, and some players from KHL, SHL and NLA.

Finland beat first Sweden in the quarter-finals, then Russia in the semi-finals and finally Canada in the final. Canada and Russia managed to score altogether only one goal against Finland in those games. And Finland beat in fact Canada twice in the tournament, as they played against each others also in the round robin.

It just shows that even when Canada can claim that they played with something like a B or probably even C team, Finland was able to beat them with a team that didn’t have any of even those C-class players. I would call that Finnish team something like Finland’s D team if we think of the players on the roster just purely based on their skill level. But they had big heart, and they were coached extremely well by Jukka Jalonen. And also the skill difference between the best European leagues and the NHL doesn’t seem to be exactly as massive, as some North Americans seem to think.

Anyway, lets see when the next best on best tournament is played. If it’s held in Europe, I’m pretty confident that the winner won’t be a North American team. If the tournament is held in North America, then for sure it’s likelier that the winner could be North American, but I for sure wouldn’t count in even that. A European team might very well have a chance with their best players available as well.

I can’t say for sure who will win then, but that I can say for sure that when that tournament is played, it won’t matter one bit how great Canada was over 20 years ago, 10 years ago, or even a couple of years ago. It will be about who is the best at right that moment.

Wow you sure are angry you lost a WJC hahaha

 

[Ippenator]

Finland just isn’t that good lmao. Enjoy another L


Wow you sure are angry you lost a WJC hahaha

Could have easily guessed your favorite NHL team from your arrogant and childish comment. Won anything with them lately? Or sucking big time?

 

[Jordan Belfort]

Could have easily guessed your favorite NHL team from your arrogant and childish comment. Won anything with them lately? Or sucking big time?

I can feel the temper tantrum of tears hitting your keyboard. This is comical