WJC: 2022 Team Russia roster talk

[NatusVincere]

Petrov over Ivantsov? No way.. The guy is leading U20s in the scoring in the VHL, he should be on the team of all people.

You and your exaggerations ... Tankov is over Ivantsov. At the end it doesn't make much difference whether Tankov or Ivantsov. Both were on the U20 squad, not with the locks at the EHT. And the two have nothing to do with Petrov anyway. As one of the few right-handed shooters he should be part of the Team with his OHL performances this season. He earned it.

 

[SoundAndFury]

You and your exaggerations ...

Once again, I don't see what was exaggerated. You can have your own opinion on what the great OHL performers deserve, I can have mine. That's how it works. To me, one of the leading scorers of one of the best VHL teams deserves it more but again, that's me.

Also, I can't help but feel with Gushchin on the first line earlier and Petrov "deserving" a spot now, you are biased towards the OHL kids. Maybe that's the bigger issue, not my "exaggerations".

 

[Kshahdoo]

That’s not true… He played LW in the KHL.

Ah, sorry, I don't watch KHL, and on some highlites he usually scored from the right side, especially on PP.

 

[NatusVincere]

Once again, I don't see what was exaggerated. You can have your own opinion on what the great OHL performers deserve, I can have mine. That's how it works. To me, one of the leading scorers of one of the best VHL teams deserves it more but again, that's me.

Also, I can't help but feel with Gushchin on the first line earlier and Petrov "deserving" a spot now, you are biased towards the OHL kids. Maybe that's the bigger issue, not my "exaggerations".

To say that Ivantsov should be above everyone else on the team because he scored a few points more in the VHL is simply a huge exaggeration. Petrov is in the top 10 of the OHL. In addition, as I said, we are missing right-handed shooters. He is now above Miro in the depth chart in my opinion. Gushchin is a great prospect too and deserves to be on this roster. After Michkov he and Yurov are the strongest RWs. He could easily play on the 1st line and 1st PP.

 

[SoundAndFury]

To say that Ivantsov should be above everyone else on the team because he scored a few points more in the VHL is simply a huge exaggeration

And what does being "top-10 in the OHL" mean exactly?

17 points in 21 games in the VHL is not "some points". Miroshnichenko is the one who has scored "some points". Arguing for Petrov over him would be at least sensible.

 

[Atas2000]

To say that Ivantsov should be above everyone else on the team because he scored a few points more in the VHL is simply a huge exaggeration. Petrov is in the top 10 of the OHL. In addition, as I said, we are missing right-handed shooters. He is now above Miro in the depth chart in my opinion. Gushchin is a great prospect too and deserves to be on this roster. After Michkov he and Yurov are the strongest RWs. He could easily play on the 1st line and 1st PP.

1.VHL scoring obviously tops CHL scoring. Russia's top forwards are somewhere in the range of 2PPG in juniors. Only Chibrikov though is above PPG in the VHL.

2.By your logic we will see at the WJC: Kyle Jackson, Rory Kerins and Tyler Tullio. No? Why? They are all ahead of Petrov in OHL scoring.

3.Above Miro in the depth chart is a huge leap to take. Miro is not lighting the men's league on fire, but he is surely above junior leagues level, just like all forwards we are talking about as locks. Maybe Petrov should prove he can play against men. Oh, I forgot, he decided to play against kids.

Realistically Petrov is an underager who doesn't even dominate one of the CHL leagues(that's what would make him a strong candidate). Being a right handed shot is not enough to make the team, sorry. Next year, if he proves he is more than just a one of top10 guys in the OHL.

Yurov is miles ahead of guys like Guschin and Petrov. And in my book right here and now Pashin is ahead of them on the depth chart, quite comfortably. He is the guy who has proven this season that he should be there. tied for 3rd in goals in the VHL, fast as the wind, great shot for the PP.

 

[NatusVincere]

1.VHL scoring obviously tops CHL scoring. Russia's top forwards are somewhere in the range of 2PPG in juniors. Only Chibrikov though is above PPG in the VHL.

2.By your logic we will see at the WJC: Kyle Jackson, Rory Kerins and Tyler Tullio. No? Why? They are all ahead of Petrov in OHL scoring.

3.Above Miro in the depth chart is a huge leap to take. Miro is not lighting the men's league on fire, but he is surely above junior leagues level, just like all forwards we are talking about as locks. Maybe Petrov should prove he can play against men. Oh, I forgot, he decided to play against kids.

Realistically Petrov is an underager who doesn't even dominate one of the CHL leagues(that's what would make him a strong candidate). Being a right handed shot is not enough to make the team, sorry. Next year, if he proves he is more than just a one of top10 guys in the OHL.

Yurov is miles ahead of guys like Guschin and Petrov. And in my book right here and now Pashin is ahead of them on the depth chart, quite comfortably. He is the guy who has proven this season that he should be there. tied for 3rd in goals in the VHL, fast as the wind, great shot for the PP.

1. It’s not about VHL < CHL. Don’t know where I wrote this. Petrov is Top 10 in the O, so he done something the earn the talk about him on the U20 Roster.
2. We should consider options, especially if we don’t have quality right shooters. By your logic we shouldn’t take Miro. 9 U20 Players have more points in the VHL, 17 U20 players have the better PPG.
3. Above Miro is not a “huge leap take”. Miro is Nichushkin 2.0…
4. Realistically Miro is an double underager…
5. Realistically Ivantsov is an underager too…
6. Yurov is miles ahead of Gushchin as a prospect. Right now he is not. And if we are talking about line combos it’s not always about who is the best player. Gushchin is perfectly capable of playing the 1st RW.

 

[NatusVincere]

And what does being "top-10 in the OHL" mean exactly?

17 points in 21 games in the VHL is not "some points". Miroshnichenko is the one who has scored "some points". Arguing for Petrov over him would be at least sensible.

I wrote a few more points… A few more points than Tankov, Pashin or Pono. The differences we're talking about are marginal. It's not like Ivantsov has twice as many points as the rest of the U20 players in the VHL ... and when we're talking about a role on the third or fourth line, because there is definitely not much left for him, I see it like a previous Poster, Tankov is defensively better than Ivantsov and the better skater. He could just play his role better. But neither are 100% in right now.

 

[Atas2000]

1. It’s not about VHL < CHL. Don’t know where I wrote this. Petrov is Top 10 in the O, so he done something the earn the talk about him on the U20 Roster.
2. We should consider options, especially if we don’t have quality right shooters. By your logic we shouldn’t take Miro. 9 U20 Players have more points in the VHL, 17 U20 players have the better PPG.
3. Above Miro is not a “huge leap take”. Miro is Nichushkin 2.0…
4. Realistically Miro is an double underager…
5. Realistically Ivantsov is an underager too…
6. Yurov is miles ahead of Gushchin as a prospect. Right now he is not. And if we are talking about line combos it’s not always about who is the best player. Gushchin is perfectly capable of playing the 1st RW.

1.Something in the O is not enough. Perevalov did quite a bit more in the M(he is still 2nd in scoring by one point and 2nd only to Michkov in PPG among players with 10+GP) and he is not in the talk about being invited. He is younger than Petrov too. Same applies btw to Kisakov who was 2nd in MHL scoring last season.
2.I am not a fan of the handedness narrative. It is illogical. Maybe only if you have a whole team that shoots on the same side, but otherwise constructing units based on handedness and not on skill is dumb. Theree is nothing wrong with having a RHS on the left or right, nothing at all. It's just different.

Miroshnichenko is obviously having a maybe not as good as expected season in the VHL. But you forgot his age. He is having that VHL season as a 17 year old. He is a full year younger than Chibrikov. So comparing his numbers to 19 year olds is not the proper way to evaluate his performance in the VHL. Yes, he will partially get the call based on past merit. I know that and I wrote that, but doing what he is doing in the VHL at 17 still weighs more in my book than Petrov's OHL performance at 18.

So still, considering options, and there are a lot this year I would take Miro over Petrov.

3.That's your personal opinion I don't agree with at all.

4.See above. That is why his VHL performance is quite good. And on junior level he will perform.

5.Yes, while he is a year older. so technically you could compare him to the likes of Chibrikov. He is also a center and despite having a "year for the ages" our center depth is far worse than our winger depth. It basically boils down to taking a skilled, smallish underager as a 4C or Tankov who is bigger and allegedly better defensively.

6.Yurov right here and now is a better player by a country mile. The fact that he continues playing as an underager somewhat shifts the perception.One might sometimes forget how young he is, because he does not only not look out of place among U20 players, he is one of the best. It will also happen a lot in this age group. There is so much hype around Michkov, people forget about other talents. The top stars(not as prospects in general, but based on their now performance) of that WJC squad as I see them are Chibrikov, Michkov, Yurov and then comes everybody else.

 

[vorky]

 

[Kshahdoo]

Nah, it's just speculations, but knowing FHR they can be pretty much spot on.

Hehe, Zubov is officially a new head coach.

 

[Czechboy]

Definite medal threat. How are the Rusian fans feeling about D? I ask because I'm not that familiar with the Russian players on D here (they could be first rounders for all I know, hence the question).

 

[Kshahdoo]

Definite medal threat. How are the Rusian fans feeling about D? I ask because I'm not that familiar with the Russian players on D here (they could be first rounders for all I know, hence the question).

It's solid. They all either play in the KHL or have good experience of playing in the KHL.

 

[ViD]

Definite medal threat. How are the Rusian fans feeling about D? I ask because I'm not that familiar with the Russian players on D here (they could be first rounders for all I know, hence the question).

If this team does not medal, that is a major failure

 

[Atas2000]

What I don't like the most no Ivanov in goal. He's an underager, but so are all other underagers.

 

[snipes]

Will Petrov get a look? Right shot which Russia usually lacks, he's 18 and I know Russia likes older players but he's been playing very well in the OHL. One of the top goal scorers and point getters in that league.

I see there has been a bit of chatter about him here, he'd be a good addition. Absolutely fantastic shot.

In 19 games in the OHL he has 15 goals, 27 points, and is +14. He's near the top in all of those categories.

 

[chamchibap]

As a fan of the Leafs, was Dmitri Ovchinnikov ever a real consideration for the team?
I've only seen highlights and don't really know how his overall game is progressing.
Seems he keeps bouncing between sitting on the bench in the KHL and the MHL. Maybe unfortunate that he isn't getting VHL time where he might be better suited?

 

[Fantomas]

I hope Yan Kuznetsov is released by the Flames. Was solid at the WJC last year.

 

[Kshahdoo]

As a fan of the Leafs, was Dmitri Ovchinnikov ever a real consideration for the team?
I've only seen highlights and don't really know how his overall game is progressing.
Seems he keeps bouncing between sitting on the bench in the KHL and the MHL. Maybe unfortunate that he isn't getting VHL time where he might be better suited?

He's been playing lately in the KHL and looking good, hard to say why is he ignored. We have really strong team this season though. Chibrikov, Khusnutdinov, Michkov, Yurov, Pashin, Miroshnichenko... It looks like the coaching staff just prefer other players to Ovchinnikov.

 

[Atas2000]

Will Petrov get a look? Right shot which Russia usually lacks, he's 18 and I know Russia likes older players but he's been playing very well in the OHL. One of the top goal scorers and point getters in that league.

I see there has been a bit of chatter about him here, he'd be a good addition. Absolutely fantastic shot.

In 19 games in the OHL he has 15 goals, 27 points, and is +14. He's near the top in all of those categories.

As this is the list of the ones playing in Russia we just don't know who they consider from NA if at all. To return to Petrov in particular at this point I rather see Pashin in his spot. 12 goals in 21 games, but in the VHL. 17 year old Perevalov is not invited(and people are complaining) and he is 2nd in MHL scoring, 2nd only to Michkov in PPG among players with more than 10GP. Even younger than Petrov AND has a huge frame for his age. In my book it's Perevalov over Petrov all day.

Spears will be broken over a lot of names this year inevitably. The forward selection is above average even by russian standards. Quite a few will be left out who would have made it in any other year.

 

[Atas2000]

If this team does not medal, that is a major failure

Which is a standard set by the Bragin era sort of. I don't know how our coaches fare, even with so much skill upfront.

 

[Atas2000]

As a fan of the Leafs, was Dmitri Ovchinnikov ever a real consideration for the team?
I've only seen highlights and don't really know how his overall game is progressing.
Seems he keeps bouncing between sitting on the bench in the KHL and the MHL. Maybe unfortunate that he isn't getting VHL time where he might be better suited?

His icetime in the KHL has gone down lately. With the team having a lot of success though you can't blame the coaches. They are winning with what they are doing.

Their VHL affiliated team is pretty bad though around the bottom of the league. Maybe they prefer him being around better players in the KHL.

If you see through this thread you'd see I had him on my roster prediction, but rather as bottom line option or a 13th forward. And that is because of how ridiculously good this year's forward group is. Repeating myself, a lot of guys will be left out this year who would have made it in any other year. Part of it might also be coaching staff looking for players in particular roles. Ovchinnikov would hardly be on the Top6 this year. It does not mean he is not progressing well. But then again for a 5th round pick... Sabres fans might have a moment of truth with both their recent 2nd rounders out of Russia not invited.

 

[Flynn84]

Kind of expected to see Poltapov and Ilya Fedotov on this list, but there is so much depth, so this is not really a surprise that they are not invited.

 

[Cskavars]

Does anyone know if they will play any exhibition games while in Russia vs anyone?

 

[vorky]

Does anyone know if they will play any exhibition games while in Russia vs anyone?

Yes, against Vityaz. Moving to Canada on Dec 15, playing there two games (opponents not revealed yet)