WJC: 2022 Team Russia roster talk

[Tenkkapoo]

And please no players from Canadian junior leagues. They don't know how to play Russian style of hockey anymore.

 

[Atas2000]

Tankov is way bigger and better skater, than Ivantsov. He does PK as well. He actually looked better, than Ivantsov at the tournament, he just was mostly one man army, as his wingers didn't look that great.

Ivantsov's role is playmaking top6 center, but he won't get this role at the WJC. Tankov can play bottom6 ok. Another important thing, Tankov can singlehandedly create scoring chances and goals, while Ivantsov can't.

I see the size point. I don't know about skating.

In the bolded part you contradict yourself though. Ivantsov is either a capable playmaker(and his numbers indicate that he is) or he can't create chances. Only one of those can be true.

So if you say we don't need a top6 playmaker on our 4th line, but rather a bigger guy who can PK we can have ourselves a debate.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I see the size point. I don't know about skating.

In the bolded part you contradict yourself though. Ivantsov is either a capable playmaker(and his numbers indicate that he is) or he can't create chances. Only one of those can be true.

So if you say we don't need a top6 playmaker on our 4th line, but rather a bigger guy who can PK we can have ourselves a debate.

He needs to play with good wingers to create those chances. Tankov doesn't. He can get the puck in his zone, pass through the whole opponent's team and create a scoring chance like he did in the game vs Sweden. He didn't score that time, but he can score next time. Or at the WJC.

 

[Atas2000]

He needs to play with good wingers to create those chances.

I doubt that is a thing in hockey. A playmaker drives the play not the other way round. There are playmaking wingers granted, but you named Ivantsov a playmker yourself. And yes, obviously numbers for a playmaker might come with having gifted linemates with finishing ability, but I think you are still not on point with positioning Tankov as some five-tooler and Ivantsov as a purely offensive and not even very good at that center.

Tankov doesn't. He can get the puck in his zone, pass through the whole opponent's team and create a scoring chance like he did in the game vs Sweden. He didn't score that time, but he can score next time. Or at the WJC.

I doubt one play and the ability to replicate it at WJC is a good choice of criteria.

As I said I see the point of having a bigger, maybe more defensive minded center on the 4th line at WJC. But let's leave it at that and not pretend like Tankov is superior to Ivantsov in every aspect of the game.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I doubt that is a thing in hockey. A playmaker drives the play not the other way round. There are playmaking wingers granted, but you named Ivantsov a playmker yourself. And yes, obviously numbers for a playmaker might come with having gifted linemates with finishing ability, but I think you are still not on point with positioning Tankov as some five-tooler and Ivantsov as a purely offensive and not even very good at that center.

I doubt one play and the ability to replicate it at WJC is a good choice of criteria.

As I said I see the point of having a bigger, maybe more defensive minded center on the 4th line at WJC. But let's leave it at that and not pretend like Tankov is superior to Ivantsov in every aspect of the game.

Well, he's definitely better in size, skating and stickhandling. Defensively he's probably better too. He is a pretty good playmaker as well. I watched both a lot in the MHL and always liked Tankov more. The recent U20 hasn't changed my opinion.

 

[NatusVincere]

I'm really excited and looking forward to the tournament. Seeing how Bratash used Michkov during the EHT, it could result in a lineup like Atas posted, Michkov in the top 6/on the 1st line and 1st PP. He could easily eclipse Ovechkins or Crosby’s accomplishments at the U20. Btw I didn’t know Bratash before, he seems to be a humble and intelligent guy. I liked his interviews. And always smiling. The complete opposite to Bragin, who never ever smiled in his life.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I'm really excited and looking forward to the tournament. Seeing how Bratash used Michkov during the EHT, it could result in a lineup like Atas posted, Michkov in the top 6/on the 1st line and 1st PP. He could easily eclipse Ovechkins or Crosby’s accomplishments at the U20. Btw I didn’t know Bratash before, he seems to be a humble and intelligent guy. I liked his interviews. And always smiling. The complete opposite to Bragin, who never ever smiled in his life.

I'd say, it was Zubov, who gave Michkov a lot of TOI. He played 4 min in the first game under Bratash. Zubov is way more experienced than Bratash as a head coach, I hope, he'll be the head coach at the WJC.

 

[NatusVincere]

I'd say, it was Zubov, who gave Michkov a lot of TOI. He played 4 min in the first game under Bratash. Zubov is way more experienced than Bratash as a head coach, I hope, he'll be the head coach at the WJC.

I would assume that they both share the same philosophy? In addition, Michkov was taken to the EHT team instead of going to the U20 with Yurov and co. And right at the first PP he played at the first unit (which looked bad mainly because of Shakir).

 

[Atas2000]

I'd say, it was Zubov, who gave Michkov a lot of TOI. He played 4 min in the first game under Bratash. Zubov is way more experienced than Bratash as a head coach, I hope, he'll be the head coach at the WJC.

It might be Znarok according to what Rotenberg is saying. But it should be Filatov three times over.

 

[kp61c]

I'm really excited and looking forward to the tournament. Seeing how Bratash used Michkov during the EHT, it could result in a lineup like Atas posted, Michkov in the top 6/on the 1st line and 1st PP. He could easily eclipse Ovechkins or Crosby’s accomplishments at the U20. Btw I didn’t know Bratash before, he seems to be a humble and intelligent guy. I liked his interviews. And always smiling. The complete opposite to Bragin, who never ever smiled in his life.

Bratash gave Michkov 6min in the first game, if i'm not mistaken, and then got booted from the team. I remember him from his commentator days. There was not one original thought in his head. But it's an improvement on Bragin, here i agree.

 

[NatusVincere]

Bratash gave Michkov 6min in the first game, if i'm not mistaken, and then got booted from the team

I thought he had to go for private reasons and was in contact with the team staff? Do you know more about that? Is he not the HC anymore?

 

[kp61c]

I thought he had to go for private reasons and was in contact with the team staff? Do you know more about that? Is he not the HC anymore?

Nah, i just don't buy the explanation they gave behind him leaving the team. To me it looked like a knee-jerk reaction after a bad game in which he tried to bury Michkov on the bench. Something along the lines of the recent reshuffle of the national teams' coaches. But I can be wrong, of course.

 

[Atas2000]

I thought he had to go for private reasons and was in contact with the team staff? Do you know more about that? Is he not the HC anymore?

Just don't listen to a guy who hates and sees conspiracies everywhere. The official explanation we all know. Claiming they aren't true without providing any evidence is childish. He is just a politically motivated poster who would hate on everything and everyone he deems to be "from the other camp". Also claiming that Bratash is an improvement on Bragin is beyond hilarious.

What we know for now is that Rotenberg actually said that Znarok would be advising at the WJC whatever that means.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Just don't listen to a guy who hates and sees conspiracies everywhere. The official explanation we all know. Claiming they aren't true without providing any evidence is childish. He is just a politically motivated poster who would hate on everything and everyone he deems to be "from the other camp". Also claiming that Bratash is an improvement on Bragin is beyond hilarious.

What we know for now is that Rotenberg actually said that Znarok would be advising at the WJC whatever that means.

Yeah, but just out of a pure common sense I doubt a KHL head coach would have left his place, if he wasn't given some promises.

 

[NatusVincere]

Yeah, but just out of a pure common sense I doubt a KHL head coach would have left his place, if he wasn't given some promises.

But do you guys know something, are there rumours or are you only speculating? Because at the end of the day it was only the EHT respectively the Karjala Cup… going back home if someone for example of your family is serious ill, wouldn’t be a big story in my eyes. Especially if the coaching staff is full of experience and it’s not even “your” full roster you are coaching at the moment.

 

[Kshahdoo]

But do you guys know something, are there rumours or are you only speculating? Because at the end of the day it was only the EHT respectively the Karjala Cup… going back home if someone for example of your family is serious ill, wouldn’t be a big story in my eyes. Especially if the coaching staff is full of experience and it’s not even “your” full roster you are coaching at the moment.

Nah, it's just speculations, but knowing FHR they can be pretty much spot on.

 

[Flynn84]

If they don't get gold I will be very disappointed. Tremendously talented and great depth as Svedu has said. Does Petrov make this or the u18 ?

But he's too old for the U18.

 

[SoundAndFury]

But do you guys know something, are there rumours or are you only speculating? Because at the end of the day it was only the EHT respectively the Karjala Cup… going back home if someone for example of your family is serious ill, wouldn’t be a big story in my eyes. Especially if the coaching staff is full of experience and it’s not even “your” full roster you are coaching at the moment.

Zubov leaves Dinamo Riga out of the blue due to "family matters", Bratash leaves NT due to "family matters". Dare I say, slightly suspicious, all these family issues all of the sudden.

 

[De Montreal]

And please no players from Canadian junior leagues. They don't know how to play Russian style of hockey anymore.

So no Guschin in your opinion? He has one hell of a shot, he'd be a weapon on the PP at least.

 

[Atas2000]

So no Guschin in your opinion? He has one hell of a shot, he'd be a weapon on the PP at least.

With the forwards Russia has this year it would probably be no Guschin, no problem. He might make it or not.

 

[NatusVincere]

So after the last showings and club/international performances I would go with this lineup:

Khusnutdinov - Guslistov - Yurov
Chibrikov - Svechkov - Michkov
Petrov - Ponomoyarev - Gushchin
Miroshnichenko - Tankov - Pashin

Hope SKA keeps the Chib Svech Mich line together.

 

[Kshahdoo]

So after the last showings and club/international performances I would go with this lineup:

Khusnutdinov - Guslistov - Yurov
Chibrikov - Svechkov - Michkov
Petrov - Ponomoyarev - Gushchin
Miroshnichenko - Tankov - Pashin

Hope SKA keeps the Chib Svech Mich line together.

Khusnutdinov plays center or RW.

 

[Eye of Ra]

So after the last showings and club/international performances I would go with this lineup:

Khusnutdinov - Guslistov - Yurov
Chibrikov - Svechkov - Michkov
Petrov - Ponomoyarev - Gushchin
Miroshnichenko - Tankov - Pashin

Hope SKA keeps the Chib Svech Mich line together.

i think bakanov should have a spot

 

[SoundAndFury]

Petrov over Ivantsov? No way.. The guy is leading U20s in the scoring in the VHL, he should be on the team of all people.

Khusnutdinov plays center or RW.

He has played LW pretty much all season long, what are you talking about

 

[NatusVincere]

Khusnutdinov plays center or RW.

That’s not true… He played LW in the KHL.