Speculation: 2022 Summer/off season Sharks Roster Discussion

[Kcoyote3]

I love the energy on HF today

Think all of us are ready to punch some faces so we would fit right into a Grier lineup

 

[Anomie2029]

Ufa period hasn't even started and you assume we're done? I don't like losing Rudy either but relax, wait and see. This could be step one to a signing or a trade.

I just don't think that's a fair thing to say when free agency hasn't even opened. Like I said, give it time. We don't know what else is in the works.

Sharks have $7M in cap space with a bunch of RFAs that need contracts. Burns, if he gets traded, isn’t going to be down by the first few days of free agency. So there isnt going to be significant cap space.

Just in case you don’t believe me, here is straight from Grier’s mouth:

Probably more of a wait-and-see thing. We don’t have a ton of money to throw around. Some of those teams that [do], they’ll be aggressive and go after their guys, but I think we’ll see where the market is and see if we can grab a player here or there.

I won’t hold my breath that the Sharks will be adding anything significant to this team.

 

[Gecklund]

There is not a semi competent coach in the league that keeps Timo and Hertl together.

 

[STL Shark]

People wanted actual meaningful change.
Instead, the Sharks are changing the bottom-six, again, thinking it will have a different result. This core can’t win, and yet they’re tinkering around with the depth.

To top it off, Grier has given up assets for a more expensive (but worse) player, not qualified one player and bought out the other when at least one of them could have got some value in a trade.

For all the criticism that Chicago are getting, at least it’s clear what direction they’re going and making significant change.

This isn't the NHL video game where every player has some level of value. Don't you think if Dahlen or Balcers had value that they'd have been traded? It's not like Grier just chose not to ask around the league to see if anyone wanted either of those players before deciding to non-tender or buyout said player for nothing.

 

[STL Shark]

Sharks have $7M in cap space with a bunch of RFAs that need contracts. Burns, if he gets traded, isn’t going to be down by the first few days of free agency. So there isnt going to be significant cap space.

Just in case you don’t believe me, here is straight from Grier’s mouth:

Probably more of a wait-and-see thing. We don’t have a ton of money to throw around. Some of those teams that [do], they’ll be aggressive and go after their guys, but I think we’ll see where the market is and see if we can grab a player here or there.

I won’t hold my breath that the Sharks will be adding anything significant to this team.

Whatever Kahkonen gets compared to whatever goalie gets dealt costs will be almost a wash. That leaves Gregor ($750-850k), Ferraro ($3M), and Kunin ($2-2.5M) as the RFAs that will be on the NHL roster that need contracts.

Given the current cap space assumes that the likes of Pederson, Weatherby, Reedy and the like are on the roster, that $8M of available cap space is around $4M with 12F-7D-2G after signing Gregor, Kunin, and Ferraro. I'd guess they're in the market for some sort of middle 6 type player(s) tomorrow depending who is left after the initial onslaught of guys like Gaudreau, Kadri, Giroux, Malkin, Copp etc. make up their minds and then will make some sort of addition(s) on defense depending on the return in a potential Burns trade.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

This isn't the NHL video game where every player has some level of value. Don't you think if Dahlen or Balcers had value that they'd have been traded? It's not like Grier just chose not to ask around the league to see if anyone wanted either of those players before deciding to non-tender or buyout said player for nothing.

It's also not a situation where we need to defend decisions that aren't good moves. I'm sorry but letting a solid 3rd liner go for nothing for no reason is not a good move. I don't even care if this move is done for the purpose of re-signing our RFA's or to allow the team to acquire something else. There were better moves to facilitate such goals than this one.

 

[Selachimorpha]

This isn't the NHL video game where every player has some level of value. Don't you think if Dahlen or Balcers had value that they'd have been traded? It's not like Grier just chose not to ask around the league to see if anyone wanted either of those players before deciding to non-tender or buyout said player for nothing.

Such a half-baked take.

It's not as simple as "Don't you think if Dahlen or Balcers had value that they'd have been traded?"

Well don't you think if Malkin had value that he'd have been re-signed already?

 

[mogambomoroo]

Maybe Grier understood "tanking" as getting a bunch of tanks to play for us

 

[Sharksrule04]

$1.55M for Balcers on the 4th line is double what Nieto costs on the 4th line for essentially the same level of production. It's a tough business in the cap strapped world, but paying Balcers $1.55M to be a 3/4 tweener when you have next to no cap space doesn't make a lot of sense when there are cheaper alternatives.

Not that I'm really beat up about this, but Balcers is a far better player than Nieto.

 

[OrrNumber4]

What the absolute f*** are we doing. Taking all the wins from the previous regime and just lighting them on fire for fun. Amazing asset management this week. f***ing joke.

Maybe that's exactly what's happening...

 

[STL Shark]

Such a half-baked take.

It's not as simple as "Don't you think if Dahlen or Balcers had value that they'd have been traded?"

Well don't you think if Malkin had value that he'd have been re-signed already?

This is quite possibly the worst rebuttal I've ever seen. Malkin choosing to test the open market (which quite literally can't happen until tomorrow) is not in the same stratosphere as the fact that Dahlen and Balcers don't appear to have any trade value. Goodness gracious.

 

[Selachimorpha]

This is quite possibly the worst rebuttal I've ever seen. Malkin choosing to test the open market (which quite literally can't happen until tomorrow) is not in the same stratosphere as the fact that Dahlen and Balcers don't appear to have any trade value. Goodness gracious.

Malkin is only 'choosing' because their FO isn't giving him more than a two year offer. By all accounts he's been hurt and frustrated by them.

 

[STL Shark]

Not that I'm really beat up about this, but Balcers is a far better player than Nieto.

Sure, but neither of them are difference makers and in a 4th line role the actual impact on the team is negligible. The $1.55M in cap space is of greater impact than the difference between the two of them as players. And if Balcers was signed for $850k like Nieto, he's almost assuredly still on the roster.

While I am admittedly surprised that Balcers didn't have trade value based on watching him the past 2 years, I'm not an NHL GM making those calls. That said, I'd rather take a chance at maybe being able to sign a better player than bemoan letting Balcers (a player I liked) being let go for basically no penalty. That's just the ways of the salary cap world right now and an organization that has way too many 3/4/AHL level tweeners.

Malkin is only 'choosing' because their FO isn't giving him more than a two year offer. By all accounts he's been hurt and frustrated by them.

Which still has no correlation or comparative value to the Dahlen/Balcers discussion.

 

[Selachimorpha]

Malkin is only 'choosing' because their FO isn't giving him more than a two year offer. By all accounts he's been hurt and frustrated by them.

All this to say, sometimes a player isn't resigned because there is a disagreement about term/clauses/etc.

Sometimes a player isn't traded because everyone already knows you're going to buy them out and we might as well wait instead of giving something up.

 

[fasterthanlight]

San Jose Sharks: megachads only

 

[Gecklund]

On a more positive note to get us more excited for tomorrow, signing bonuses are normally paid on the day FA opens as that’s the day the “contract year” is up. Burns (3.5M), Couture (4M), Vlasic (2.25M) all are getting paid their bonuses tomorrow. That means teams might be more interested in trading them knowing they don’t have to pay that bonus. Do we see a Burns trade tomorrow?!?

 

[LadyStanley]

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Free agency 101

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theathletic.com

Paywall. Sharks at 29.

2022-23 salaries: $76,832,500
RFAs estimate: $6 million
Dead money deals: Martin Jones buyout ($2.4 million)
Notable unsigned UFAs: Ryan Dzingle
Problem contract: Marc-Edouard Vlasic
Projected cap space: -$332,500

Does not include Balcers buyout

 

[Anomie2029]

Luke Kunin was statistically worse than Balcers last season whilst on a better team. He is also going to be on $1M more than Balcers… If Sharks needed cap space - don’t trade a 3rd round pick to take on extra salary.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

On a more positive note to get us more excited for tomorrow, signing bonuses are normally paid on the day FA opens as that’s the day the “contract year” is up. Burns (3.5M), Couture (4M), Vlasic (2.25M) all are getting paid their bonuses tomorrow. That means teams might be more interested in trading them knowing they don’t have to pay that bonus. Do we see a Burns trade tomorrow?!?

I don't think that's how it works for signing bonuses but there isn't a whole lot of details on that. It seems to me that the signing bonuses are paid on a negotiated day that has typically fallen to July 1 but it's not universal. I doubt anyone had it written into their deals to have their signing bonuses paid on the first day of the new league year but I suppose it is possible. I would think agents want a specific date to avoid this very sort of issue where a player has to wait after the league had a monumental shift in its schedule.

 

[knu]

Couldn't the sharks just not sign Kunin, trigger the arbitration, buy time to see if they can trade burns then worst case scenario use the extra buy out window from arbitration to purge player(s) then let kunin walk?

Its messy and would have cost us a 3rd, but it saves us the Kunin cost, gives us time and flexibility, and maybe we just find a better replacement than Kunin would have been.

 

[Anomie2029]

Couldn't the sharks just not sign Kunin, trigger the arbitration, buy time to see if they can trade burns then worst case scenario use the extra buy out window from arbitration to purge player(s) then let kunin walk?

Its messy and would have cost us a 3rd, but it saves us the Kunin cost, gives us time and flexibility, and maybe we just find a better replacement than Kunin would have been.

Can only walk away from arbitration if contract is above a certain amount (around $4.5M). So no… Sharks are stuck with Kunin.

 

[Selachimorpha]

Couldn't the sharks just not sign Kunin, trigger the arbitration, buy time to see if they can trade burns then worst case scenario use the extra buy out window from arbitration to purge player(s) then let kunin walk?

Its messy and would have cost us a 3rd, but it saves us the Kunin cost, gives us time and flexibility, and maybe we just find a better replacement than Kunin would have been.

Give up a 3rd rounder for 6 weeks of exclusive negotiating privileges for Luke freakin' Kunin only to let him go. The path of maximum chaos, let's go.

 

[knu]

Can only walk away from arbitration if contract is above a certain amount (around $4.5M). So no… Sharks are stuck with Kunin.

Thanks for the details. Didn't know that. I appreciate you.

 

[themelkman]

I have a bad feeling we might trade every asset we have for Tkachuk if he becomes available

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I have a bad feeling we might trade every asset we have for Tkachuk if he becomes available

Eklund, Bystedt, and a 2023 1st for Tkachuk?