Speculation: 2022 Summer/off season Sharks Roster Discussion

[Saskatoon]

So they decided it was more important to buyout Balcers for cap space rather than Vlasic?!

This club is going to be so bad for so long.

Buying out Vlasic really only makes sense (this year) if you really want to compete this year. If Grier was able to talk Hasso into a one year (or more) reset you wait to buy out Vlasic. You don't want his penalty on the books when the Sharks are competitive again.

 

[themelkman]

Bedard would the real guy to tank for, but I think Grier wants that #3-#4 spot to get Fantilli. Fantilli is just so obvious guy to build around, if we are going Power Forward firdt.

I’m hoping he won’t be around if we get the option to take a top pick next year. Really don’t want to waste it looking for size

 

[Selachimorpha]

Balcers is not what is dragging us up from being as bad as Arizona

Just wait until we sign Deslauriers/Lemieux tomorrow with this new-found cap space. We can inch ourselves there

 

[mogambomoroo]

I’m hoping he won’t be around if we get the option to take a top pick next year. Really don’t want to waste it looking for size

But Fantilli is a very good all around player, so not the worst guy to get if you're not drafting #1

 

[one2gamble]

I remain confused

 

[Kcoyote3]

What the absolute f*** are we doing. Taking all the wins from the previous regime and just lighting them on fire for fun. Amazing asset management this week. f***ing joke.

 

[KirbyDots]

What's the most amount of capspace we can manage with this buyout, trading Burns and Labanc, and signing our rfas to minimal deals? Also, who is eligible to be buried in the AHL? Thanks.

 

[Selachimorpha]

What the absolute f*** are we doing. Taking all the wins from the previous regime and just lighting them on fire for fun. Amazing asset management this week. f***ing joke.

Well you see, according to management, we were 40-50 goals away from making the playoffs last year. So, by getting rid of Dahlen and Balcers in favor of Kunin plus tomorrow's signing at the meat market, we're now only 40-50 goals away from the playoffs.

 

[one2gamble]

Well you see, according to management, we were 40-50 goals away from making the playoffs last year. So, by getting rid of Dahlen and Balcers in favor of Kunin plus tomorrow's signing at the meat market, we're now only 40-50 goals away from the playoffs.

Your math is off, we are now 60-70 goals away from making the playoffs

 

[fasterthanlight]

I'm genuinely okay with tanking hard for bedard, but I get the sense that this isn't what management is thinking

 

[Selachimorpha]

Your math is off, we are now 60-70 goals away from making the playoffs

Dahlen + Balcers = 23 goals. Kunin = 13 goals. Give 10 to the fist we sign tomorrow, call it a wash.

 

[KirbyDots]

Well you see, according to management, we were 40-50 goals away from making the playoffs last year. So, by getting rid of Dahlen and Balcers in favor of Kunin plus tomorrow's signing at the meat market, we're now only 40-50 goals away from the playoffs.

If Burns is moved today this makes more sense, bigger move is coming. If it's just to do away with a redundant bottom 6 forward it makes sense as well. If it's just to pay for our rfa contracts and to pick up a grinder in ufa I'll be pissed.

 

[themelkman]

Your math is off, we are now 60-70 goals away from making the playoffs

Losing Balcers is losing about 10 goals above average, losing Dahlen is about 2.25 and adding Kunin is adding -2 goals above average.

So we are losing about 14 goals in total so far before we apply whatever grinder we get tomorrow.

 

[STL Shark]

So they decided it was more important to buyout Balcers for cap space rather than Vlasic?!

This club is going to be so bad for so long.

Yes, because an $8k and $300k buyout penalty for two years is totally comparable to Vlasic on the books for 8 years at more money. Yeah, this is an ice cold take.

 

[STL Shark]

I atleast can rationalize why you don’t qualify Dahlen, but Balcers is not the issue and was easily our best bottom six forward this year.

While also being the most expensive of the LWs to bring back.

If you are stuck with Labanc on the 3rd line (I don't think they'll throw him into the top 6 again most likely), want a reasonable Top 6/9 addition, need a place for Eklund in the Top 9, and also have Gregor, Chmelevski, Kunin, Nieto, Verrnoeau, Gadjovich, Viel, and Raska all reasonably competing for a total of 3 bottom 6 winger spots, somebody has to go. $1.5 million in cap space can go a long way in this market towards improving either the forward group or the defense (which will be necessary when Burns is dealt).

 

[Reggae Shark]

I wonder if MG is going to go after Nazem?

He is MG's "type"

 

[Cas]

Yes, because an $8k and $300k buyout penalty for two years is totally comparable to Vlasic on the books for 8 years at more money. Yeah, this is an ice cold take.

Buying out Vlasic now allows you to pay for two Balcers this year, three Balcers and a league-minimum guy next year, and a Balcers and change the two years after that.

The penalty is losing one Balcers for the four years after that, when the cap and minimum salary will be higher and you've also gotten rid of the Karlsson, Couture, and Burns contracts and Jones buyout (one overlap year for the first two plus Jones).

Buying out Vlasic now also allows you to get rid of a declining 7D who could be adequately replaced by Megna and Simek in the short term (because Vlasic is now garbage).

 

[Selachimorpha]

While also being the most expensive of the LWs to bring back.

If you are stuck with Labanc on the 3rd line (I don't think they'll throw him into the top 6 again most likely), want a reasonable Top 6/9 addition, need a place for Eklund in the Top 9, and also have Gregor, Chmelevski, Kunin, Nieto, Verrnoeau, Gadjovich, Viel, and Raska all reasonably competing for a total of 3 bottom 6 winger spots, somebody has to go. $1.5 million in cap space can go a long way in this market towards improving either the forward group or the defense (which will be necessary when Burns is dealt).

Then you just buy Labanc out. Saves you 4M in the cap this year and next, then stuck with 2M penalty for the next two years. While Eklund is on an ELC, it'd be like paying him 2.8M in the final year of his deal. You figure the last year of Labanc's buyout then.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Kane without all the drama, would have been spot on for this direction. I just really hope Grier doesn't make it 100% about grit, there needs to be a good balance.

 

[STL Shark]

Then you just buy Labanc out. Saves you 4M in the cap this year and next, then stuck with 2M penalty for the next two years. While Eklund is on an ELC, it'd be like paying him 2.8M in the final year of his deal. You figure the last year of Labanc's buyout then.

So you'd like to be saddled with a $2M buyout penalty when the team is actually going to start trying to have a chance to maybe be good again rather than an almost nothing penalty for two years for a guy that can be easily replaced in the system for cheaper right now? Yeah, that seems like a stellar cap management strategy.

Buying out Vlasic now allows you to pay for two Balcers this year, three Balcers and a league-minimum guy next year, and a Balcers and change the two years after that.

The penalty is losing one Balcers for the four years after that, when the cap and minimum salary will be higher and you've also gotten rid of the Karlsson, Couture, and Burns contracts and Jones buyout (one overlap year for the first two plus Jones).

Buying out Vlasic now also allows you to get rid of a declining 7D who could be adequately replaced by Megna and Simek in the short term (because Vlasic is now garbage).

If the goal is to try and win this year, then sure. I don't think that is the stated goal (well actually we know that given the comments about probably taking a step back) so why are we going to saddle ourselves to a buyout when the stated goal becomes winning as opposed to just buying time right now when you're in this sort of reset window?

 

[Selachimorpha]

So you'd like to be saddled with a $2M buyout penalty when the team is actually going to start trying to have a chance to maybe be good again rather than an almost nothing penalty for two years for a guy that can be easily replaced in the system for cheaper right now? Yeah, that seems like a stellar cap management strategy.

With the cap projected to go way up over the next few years, and if I'm really set on making space to sign someone valuable for immediate help now (Marchment for example), then yes. I'd rather not move Balcers out to replace him from within the system that doesn't provide much more...

 

[Lebanezer]

Next move will be to reinstate Kane’s contract.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

So, Balcers at 1.5 million is too rich, but Kunin at a minimum of 2.3 million is worth giving up a 3rd for?

Bold strategy cotton, let’s see how it plays out.

 

[STL Shark]

With the cap projected to go way up over the next few years, and if I'm really set on making space to sign someone valuable for immediate help now (Marchment for example), then yes. I'd rather not move Balcers out to replace him from within the system that doesn't provide much more...

If by go way up you mean that it will be up a whopping total of $2 million to $84.5M by the time that proposed Labanc buyout took place, sure.

 

[one2gamble]

I like that you guys tried to actually do the math while i was being facetious