Speculation: 2022 Summer/off season Sharks Roster Discussion

[PacificOceanPotion]

Burns is gettin moved. Gotta think him “leading the way” on discussions as Grier sais, means he’s submitted his 3 team list.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Emphasizing compete-level is good, but we all know that Vlasic and Karlsson can go through long...stretches where the effort just isn't there.

It's even true for Timo Meier and Logan Couture...more than the expected ebbs and flows of a long season.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

This is overly dramatic and simple minded thinking. You can be competitive and gritty without being an ogre. Eklund played a smart and heady two way game while he was here and competed. There's a difference between that and being a guy like Merkley or Dahlen who don't really look overly engaged in the game and are just sort of out there existing unless the puck is on their stick.

Eklund benefits from having a guy like a Meier or someone else like that around that does more of the dirty work and creates more time and space for him. Issue is that we have a bunch of guys that are not Eklund level talents skill-wise that also don't have that compete level or grittiness to their game either and are essentially worthless players with no identity at the NHL level (Leonard was that sort of guy this year and got traded).

Look at the draft picks, DW JR leaving, Kunin trade, Dahlen leaving, etc. Grier isn’t envisioning a team with 175-180 pound forwards. For better or for worse, he wants to play a big, physical style of hockey. Eklund is far from that and not a pick of Griers.I wouldn’t be shocked to see him traded for a more physical forward.

 

[Herschel]

As extreme as I think they will go, I don’t see Will being okay with that.

I think Eklund just gets sat or scrached until his development takes a big hit and he gets dealt as a reclaimation project in 3 years.

By all accounts, Eklund fits MQ's competitiveness comments

 

[themelkman]

By all accounts, Eklund fits MQ's competitiveness comments

Eklund was inconsistent and didn’t score a single goal for us in his 9 games. Generally people from that school of thought don’t give rookies like that a real chance.

I don’t feel good about Eklund or Bordeleaus chances of succeeding on this sharks team.

 

[hohosaregood]

Look at the draft picks, DW JR leaving, Kunin trade, Dahlen leaving, etc. Grier isn’t envisioning a team with 175-180 pound forwards. For better or for worse, he wants to play a big, physical style of hockey. Eklund is far from that and not a pick of Griers.I wouldn’t be shocked to see him traded for a more physical forward.

The Kunin trade is the only one that might be overvaluing grit. The draft was still very much in line with a DW Jr. draft.

 

[Herschel]

Eklund was inconsistent and didn’t score a single goal for us in his 9 games. Generally people from that school of thought don’t give rookies like that a real chance.

I don’t feel good about Eklund or Bordeleaus chances of succeeding on this sharks team.

You are obviously entitled to your feelings but I am going to wait for some evidence before determining whether the organization has given up on their top two prospects before either of them has played a full season in the NHL.

 

[themelkman]

You are obviously entitled to your feelings but I am going to wait for some evidence before determining whether the organization has given up on their top two prospects before either of them has played a full season in the NHL.

I’m not saying they have given up on them yet, but don’t be shocked if that’s what happens when they fail to adapt to the style that GMMG and his men want.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

The Kunin trade is the only one that might be overvaluing grit. The draft was still very much in line with a DW Jr. draft.

Then why was he ousted and the picks seeming more Burke-y than years past? Havelid was the only DWJR type pick. None of these picks were very analytically minded. Nothing about players with high V02 max, controlled zone entries and exits, nothing that seemed to be priorities for DWJR picks.

 

[timorous me]

Then why was he ousted and the picks seeming more Burke-y than years past? Havelid was the only DWJR type pick. None of these picks were very analytically minded. Nothing about players with high V02 max, controlled zone entries and exits, nothing that seemed to be priorities for DWJR picks.

It could be weird sticking around if your dad was essentially fired, no?

 

[Alaskanice]

It could be weird sticking around if your dad was essentially fired, no?

Along this thinking, maybe DWjr has planned to leave but told JW he’d stay until after the draft??

 

[STL Shark]

Then why was he ousted and the picks seeming more Burke-y than years past? Havelid was the only DWJR type pick. None of these picks were very analytically minded. Nothing about players with high V02 max, controlled zone entries and exits, nothing that seemed to be priorities for DWJR picks.

DWjr's picks last year after Eklund were about finding bigger D-Men and Forwards that could skate and assimilate with the smaller shiftier forwards they'd drafted in year's past. They did the same sort of stuff this year that they've done in years past. People are connecting too many dots that simply don't exist just because Grier played a particular style of hockey.

By all accounts, Eklund fits MQ's competitiveness comments

Don't let reason and logic get in the way of the board telling us our starting lineup on opening night is going to be filled of Ryan Reaves, Tom Wilson, Zack Kassian, Radko Gudas, and Kurtis MacDermid.

I mean even the goony Vegas teams have/had Karlsson, Marchessault, Stastny, Smith, etc. that were not these big grinders and stuff. They just play hard and compete and are good skaters. They're mixed with big dudes and smaller guys but they play the same in your face fast and aggressive style of hockey. I think this Tampa/Colorado run has shown that role players are still wholly necessary in the NHL. Just have to do your diligence in selecting who those guys are rather than just taking the first big guy that hits off the street.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

It could be weird sticking around if your dad was essentially fired, no?

Did you not see the post with DWJR sounding like it wasn’t mutual and he was forced out?

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

DWjr's picks last year after Eklund were about finding bigger D-Men and Forwards that could skate and assimilate with the smaller shiftier forwards they'd drafted in year's past. They did the same sort of stuff this year that they've done in years past. People are connecting too many dots that simply don't exist just because Grier played a particular style of hockey.

Don't let reason and logic get in the way of the board telling us our starting lineup on opening night is going to be filled of Ryan Reaves, Tom Wilson, Zack Kassian, Radko Gudas, and Kurtis MacDermid.

I mean even the goony Vegas teams have/had Karlsson, Marchessault, Stastny, Smith, etc. that were not these big grinders and stuff. They just play hard and compete and are good skaters. They're mixed with big dudes and smaller guys but they play the same in your face fast and aggressive style of hockey. I think this Tampa/Colorado run has shown that role players are still wholly necessary in the NHL. Just have to do your diligence in selecting who those guys are rather than just taking the first big guy that hits off the street.

That is a completely different reasoning that people are saying. His moves and comments show he wants to play a physical brand of hockey and values size. Don’t know how that’s even debatable.

You’re also adding comments that haven’t been said. When I say he wants to be a physical team, I’ve never once said big and slow. He seems to have an emphasis on skating, but there’s only a handful of big, fast, skilled guys to go around, so that leaves big and fast as the most important things.

 

[timorous me]

Did you not see the post with DWJR sounding like it wasn’t mutual and he was forced out?

That's super vague, so I'm not reading too much into it for now. I'll wait and see if we hear more before I assume any actual conflict.

 

[TheBeard]

That's super vague, so I'm not reading too much into it for now. I'll wait and see if we hear more before I assume any actual conflict.

Sounds like he just wanted a different opportunity with his dad no longer there. Probably felt compelled to stay with his father but now he doesn’t have to.

 

[STL Shark]

That is a completely different reasoning that people are saying. His moves and comments show he wants to play a physical brand of hockey and values size. Don’t know how that’s even debatable.

You’re also adding comments that haven’t been said. When I say he wants to be a physical team, I’ve never once said big and slow. He seems to have an emphasis on skating, but there’s only a handful of big, fast, skilled guys to go around, so that leaves big and fast as the most important things.

I'll take the big and fast team over the small team basically any day in a contact sport like hockey. You can be as skilled as can be, but if you don't have guys that can win along the boards and in the corners and separate guys from pucks in their own end when needed, you're just not going to win.

He also quite literally said that size is not the end all be all today when talking about Dahlen. Being competitive and doing the "Aggressive in your face style" stuff doesn't mean you have to be big and bruising. It's great to have some of those guys, but it's also good to have guys in the Eklund mold that are hard to play against because they have skill and can make plays. Part of what made him so appealing as a draftee was that there was none of the questions about his compete level or any of that (if anything it was talked about as a big positive). So this thought process by some here that the best prospect in the system in years is going to get shipped out because he is 5'10 instead of 6'2 is just sort of silly.

 

[one2gamble]

Grit and compete do not mean slow and lumbering. I'm not thrilled at the moment but I'll give it a chance if the front office clean out is complete and filled with talent

 

[hohosaregood]

Then why was he ousted and the picks seeming more Burke-y than years past? Havelid was the only DWJR type pick. None of these picks were very analytically minded. Nothing about players with high V02 max, controlled zone entries and exits, nothing that seemed to be priorities for DWJR picks.

Lund and Bystedt are good in transition from what I've read and they're not overtly physical kids either. If anything, they're kinda similar to Coe. Big, toolsy, and kind of raw. VO2 Max was more of a Burke thing too. I don't have the VO2 numbers on that but I'm pretty sure that hasn't been a priority under Jr.

Jr moving on isn't super surprising with a new FO coming on but it's disappointing.

 

[LadyStanley]

Paywall. Includes Dahlen and Donato.

 

[Gecklund]

I don’t like this deal but it would 100% fit what Grier has done so far.

Burns for Zaitsev+Brown+3rd

Zaitsev gives us a more defensive RD option (although I would have rather Meloche honestly) and hope he turns it back around. Brown gives us another top 6 winger. We recoup a third too.

Ottawa gets an offensive D that’ll fit well with Sanderson.

Kunin-Hertl-Eklund
Timo-Couture-Barabanov
Gregor-Bordeleau-Brown
Balcers-Bonino-Reedy
Nieto, Gadjovich

Knyzhov-EK
Ferraro-Zaitsev
Vlasic-Merkley
Megna

Trade Simek and Labanc for whatever we can. Get a ton of grit. Hope for some floor going out from under us and get Bedard.

 

[Sharksrule04]

Eklund and Merkley are fine. I would absolutely not want Miller and Guenther over them right now.

Ferraro, Norris, Reedy, Chm are all fine. Doing well.
Leonard and Weatherby are going to be fine 4th liners.
Kniazev and Hatakka are too early to tell but 2019 was a bad year.
2020 is going to be a great class.
2021 has a lot of potential

Cmon, you really would rather have Merkley than Miller? I’d take Miller in a Second. Eklund I still take over Guenther.

 

[Mattb124]

Savage.

Moar grit...

 

[OrrNumber4]

Wow, another team passing on Donato...

 

[Mattb124]

Thinking Eklund will be traded for a grittier player. It’s pretty evident the type of team Grier is wanting to build and Eklund has no place on it.

Let's not get carried away.