Speculation: 2022 off-season discussion

[DarkandStormy]

None of them are as bad as Korpi has been over the years

Oh I was referencing Elvis there.

Matt Murray did get sent to the AHL this year and no one claimed him, fwiw.

 

[Xoggz22]

Why not, if Tarasov still is on an ELC.

Best case Korpi plays well, you trade him at TDL (or keep him for playoff run )
Worst case he sucks and you play Tarasov and Elvis

Unfortunately Tarasov's ELC ends this season. They could do a 2 year deal with a 2-way in year one. He won't have to pass waivers next year but the year after he would. Sign Korpi to a 1 year deal if they want. I actually hope they hold on to JFB to play as insurance.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I get the thought process on bringing back korpi, he’d be cheap, he knows the guys, he’d know his role; and he’d have a chip on his shoulder

However it appears he is injury prone. And given the fact Elvis might be teetering in that same direction, we need a more stable backup that can fill in if/when Elvis gets hurt for a period of time.

I do think he will return, maybe even on a near minimum contract (1 year 1 million or so?) but I think I’d look elsewhere for the NHL backup

Another year of Berube/Tarasov/Greaves in the AHL is fine with me

 

[majormajor]

Korpi needs a fresh start elsewhere. I'd be more confident in him in a new environment. I love his personality but I don't want him as backup in Columbus.

Whether you sign one of Elliott, DeSmith, Koskinen, [40 other journeymen goalies] .... or just run with Berube/Tarasov/Greaves, I'm not sure if I have an opinion yet or if I ever will. But no Korpisalo.

 

[tunnelvision]

Francesco Lapenna (2002 born, undrafted). Should we pick him in later rounds this year?

 

[Jive Pawnbroker]

I'm sure that Jarmo will be on the prowl for some Euro talent ready to step in ala Danforth, who has been a pleasant surprise. Someone who can add stability on the back end would be a nice add, Euro or otherwise.

 

[TaketheCannoli]

Korpi needs a fresh start elsewhere. I'd be more confident in him in a new environment. I love his personality but I don't want him as backup in Columbus.

Whether you sign one of Elliott, DeSmith, Koskinen, [40 other journeymen goalies] .... or just run with Berube/Tarasov/Greaves, I'm not sure if I have an opinion yet or if I ever will. But no Korpisalo.

I believe the front office and coaching staff needs to know what they have in Tarasov. I guess my question- is the team and the player better if Tarasov remains in Cleveland and plays 50-60 games, or do they learn more and develop him better as Elvis's backup. He would be getting daily practice against NHL talent and probably get 20-30 starts against NHL teams. I personally think he'd be better off in Cleveland, but that's a Jarmo and Larsen call. If they go with sending him to the AHL, then there are lots of journeyman options. Letting Korpi could help the rest of the goalies develop.

A bit off topic, but I believe goalies are different than skaters. Most teams have skaters that are healthy scratches most of the season and don't get the same opportunities a typical backup goalie gets. Additionally, I would guess the NHL guys get more access to the goalie coach.

 

[LoneFunyan]

What the heck is going on with Texier? It's been 3 weeks since he was granted leave for personal reasons. I don't think we've had any update since then have we?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

What the heck is going on with Texier? It's been 3 weeks since he was granted leave for personal reasons. I don't think we've had any update since then have we?

Supposedly back in Columbus. Unsure if it’s just got a check up on his hand or if he’s working his way back but I wouldn’t anticipate him returning this season

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Yeah we can’t defend

 

[LJ7]

Yeah we can’t defend

If there aren't effective measures taken to at least marginally fix this by the coaches / FO this summer and next season that's when I'll begin to lose patience with the direction of this team. That's also why I don't share the concerns others have about Elvis because the team has way bigger fish to fry before we worry about him.

I'm glad the team at least can score goals at a high clip but the defense is unacceptable. This year's team was kinda what we all expected but cranked up to extremes.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Should the measures taken to improve the defense come via personnel or scheme?

I mean, there are five guys who are probably part of the group in Werenski, Boquist, Bean, Gavrikov and Peeke. The problems with those guys involve various combinations of youth, skillset and TOI/slot.

Is it enough to replace Kukan, Carlsson and Bayreuther with qualified NHL defensemen?

Is there something schematic at work? Will the young players work out their problems with the current season under their belts?

 

[EspenK]

I'm not sure all the defensive woes can be laid at the feet of the d-men. OB is a -30, Chinakov a -25 and Sillinger a -22. Not all of those negatives can be blamed on the individual but hell OB has 25 g's to his credit. The F corps needs to improve D too.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[majormajor]

Should the measures taken to improve the defense come via personnel or scheme?

I mean, there are five guys who are probably part of the group in Werenski, Boquist, Bean, Gavrikov and Peeke. The problems with those guys involve various combinations of youth, skillset and TOI/slot.

Is it enough to replace Kukan, Carlsson and Bayreuther with qualified NHL defensemen?

Is there something schematic at work? Will the young players work out their problems with the current season under their belts?

We might get away with it just by having a sucky defense until the guys are sufficiently mature, but I'd rather not wait it out.

And in that case I will say there's no way to improve it simply be replacing our #6 guy. Kukan, Carlsson, and Bayreuther have all been fine as far as 6/7 type guys. Our problem is that Boqvist, Bean, and Peeke are playing a couple spots too high in the lineup. They should be in #4 - #6 roles until they're ready.

Werenski - xx
Gavrikov - Peeke/Boqvist
Bean - Boqvist/Peeke

Something like that. Go hard at Zub and Chychrun.

Edit: Just noticing your first question - certainly the measures should come via personnel and also I think via scheme, though I'm less confident that I personally understand that. I know that we're currently playing a man-defense system and that the players are failing at it. A zone-defense system would be more idiot-proof.

 

[majormajor]

I'd love to have Valiquette explain how he thinks this skews xGA numbers. My guess is that xGA still hasn't even come close to capturing this aspect of defense. I think we're really hanging the goalies out to dry, more than the xGA even captures.

 

[VT]

We might get away with it just by having a sucky defense until the guys are sufficiently mature, but I'd rather not wait it out.

And in that case I will say there's no way to improve it simply be replacing our #6 guy. Kukan, Carlsson, and Bayreuther have all been fine as far as 6/7 type guys. Our problem is that Boqvist, Bean, and Peeke are playing a couple spots too high in the lineup. They should be in #4 - #6 roles until they're ready.

Werenski - xx
Gavrikov - Peeke/Boqvist
Bean - Boqvist/Peeke

Something like that. Go hard at Zub and Chychrun.

Edit: Just noticing your first question - certainly the measures should come via personnel and also I think via scheme, though I'm less confident that I personally understand that. I know that we're currently playing a man-defense system and that the players are failing at it. A zone-defense system would be more idiot-proof.

I think Boqvist and Bean can progress. They don't have too much experiences in this season yet. But ones have to be stronger. Peeke... I don't know, he can be stronger but his play with the puck, hockey vision...

 

[MoeBartoli]

I'd love to have Valiquette explain how he thinks this skews xGA numbers. My guess is that xGA still hasn't even come close to capturing this aspect of defense. I think we're really hanging the goalies out to dry, more than the xGA even captures.

I wonder if our susceptibility to cross ice passes is related to playing man vs zone defense?

 

[majormajor]

I wonder if our susceptibility to cross ice passes is related to playing man vs zone defense?

It definitely does. I'm hoping we see a tactical shift going into next year.

 

[Jovavic]

I feel we need a reverse Foligno/Methot trade where we trade a young but established forward like maybe Texier for a RD of similar quality. Can anyone think of any?

 

[tunnelvision]

I feel we need a reverse Foligno/Methot trade where we trade a young but established forward like maybe Texier for a RD of similar quality. Can anyone think of any?

2021-22 Active NHL Players - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

You like any of these search results? I'm not sure if the filters I used there are ideal for finding Marc Methot'esque RDs.

Perhaps that Björk guy Boumedienne was scouting in SHL will become our new Methot?

 

[Hello Johnny]

I'd love to have Valiquette explain how he thinks this skews xGA numbers. My guess is that xGA still hasn't even come close to capturing this aspect of defense. I think we're really hanging the goalies out to dry, more than the xGA even captures.

Yeah I'd like to know how xGA is affected by turnovers in the defensive zone, and how we rank in that statistic, if it's even tracked.

Our defensive problems seem to be a domino effect of losing the puck, having tired legs remain on the ice, scrambling around, and having a system that is too rich for some of our guys.

Generally I think our passing and puck carrying abilities are bad overall. You watch some of the better teams and they are all in sync, having very few mistakes with the puck. We tend to fumble it a lot IMO.

 

[GoJackets1]

I agree we need a short term plug-in to play next to Z, and a scheme adjustment. Peeke has done better than I expected him to next to Z and could be truly ready for that role soon. It’s a shame he didn’t play much in a dead year last year. Boqvist needs to play with a true stay at home guy. I thought he would work well next to Gav but maybe not. We should definitely take a D-man with one of our top picks, hopefully one of those top 2 guys is there.

I also wanted to ask if we have an inkling on Pyhhtia for next year. Playing in Columbus or Cleveland perhaps?

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I agree we need a short term plug-in to play next to Z, and a scheme adjustment. Peeke has done better than I expected him to next to Z and could be truly ready for that role soon. It’s a shame he didn’t play much in a dead year last year. Boqvist needs to play with a true stay at home guy. I thought he would work well next to Gav but maybe not. We should definitely take a D-man with one of our top picks, hopefully one of those top 2 guys is there.

I also wanted to ask if we have an inkling on Pyhhtia for next year. Playing in Columbus or Cleveland perhaps?

There is current discussion on Pyhhtia in the prospects thread. I think someone said he has another year on his current contract.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Laine
Voracek
Nyquist
Bjorkstrand
Jenner
Kuraly

Robinson
Roslovic
Bemstrom
Texier
Danforth

Sillinger
Chinakhov
Johnson

Meyer
Gaunce

Marchenko
Foudy
Voronkov

19 guys for forward spots for 2022/23

Gaunce is org depth and Voronkov is signed for another season overseas I think so cut that to 17.

Will the number be reduced via guys allowed to leave in FA or traded, or will they just stack Cleveland with promising kids?