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Draft 2022 NHL Draft and Undrafted Free Agents Thread

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Trade up for Lambert, but reserve a first round pick to snag Michkov when he falls next year due to him not being able to get out of his Russia contract.
 
mas0764 said:
I wonder if Michkov’s commitment to the KHL will cause him to drop, and if so, can we get him?
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I personally don’t see Michkov falling further than 2nd overall, with a stronger chance of going 1st. I also think he buys out that contract and isn’t blocked if he wants that.

The 2023 draft is special. It’s early but right now it’s top end talent and depth are comparable to 2003 and 2015.

This list is full of top 3 forward talent in your average draft.

Matvei Michkov
Connor Bedard
Adam Fantilli
Dalibor Dvorsky
Leo Carlsson
Calum Ritchie
Eduard Sale
Kasper Halttunen
 
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The Lias and VK wounds are still fresh. If they go Euro in the first round then they better be damn sure about the kids personality and desire to be here. The beauty of North American kids is that the NHL is top option 1-5. There’s no other comparable league on the continent. I’m not against picking Euro’s at all, but I’m having concerns about the Rangers assessment of them from a personality standpoint.

Lias, VK, Kovacs... it’s one thing to miss on the talent, it’s another to miss who they are.
 
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Barnaby said:
The Lias and VK wounds are still fresh. If they go Euro in the first round then they better be damn sure about the kids personality and desire to be here. The beauty of North American kids is that the NHL is top option 1-5. There’s no other comparable league on the continent. I’m not against picking Euro’s at all, but I’m having concerns about the Rangers assessment of them from a personality standpoint.

Lias, VK, Kovacs... it’s one thing to miss on the talent, it’s another to miss who they are.
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It's also an issue when the org can't manage them properly. No other team has these issues to this degree.

Example: Why did Sean Day terminate his ELC? Clearly he was desperate to leave having to pay back his signing bonus by doing so.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
It's also an issue when the org can't manage them properly. No other team has these issues to this degree.

Example: Why did Sean Day terminate his ELC? Clearly he was desperate to leave having to pay back his signing bonus by doing so.
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Two seasons of going back and forth from Hartford to Maine might have had something to do with it. Day’s rookie pro season was pretty bad. He’s probably looking at guys like Fox and Lindgren bypassing him, Miller, Lundkvist, Hajek, Reunanen coming and then in the meanwhile the team is investing even more draft capital in Schneider, Robertson and Jones.
 
eco's bones said:
Two seasons of going back and forth from Hartford to Maine might have had something to do with it. Day’s rookie pro season was pretty bad. He’s probably looking at guys like Fox and Lindgren bypassing him, Miller, Lundkvist, Hajek, Reunanen coming and then in the meanwhile the team is investing even more draft capital in Schneider, Robertson and Jones.
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The solution there would be to ask to be loaned to another AHL team. Terminating your ELC and paying back your signing bonus at that age... I don't remember seeing that from a NA prospect.

EU players (Meskanen, Lindqvist, Stromwall etc) usually have a more lucrative offer that covers that loss, but Day choosing to not only walk away from his ELC, but in the process pay back what amounted to 25% of his career earnings at that point is not something players do just to get more minutes elsewhere. Just saying.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
It's also an issue when the org can't manage them properly. No other team has these issues to this degree.

Example: Why did Sean Day terminate his ELC? Clearly he was desperate to leave having to pay back his signing bonus by doing so.
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Or maybe Sean Day found himself like 30th on the organizational depth chart for defensemen as the depth of prospects grew leaps and bounds in just a couple years after he was drafted and he wanted a fresh start.

Not really sure how a nothing player who spent deserved time in the ECHL wanting to leave for a fresh start after his path to the NHL as a Ranger is basically impossible is an indictment on the organization.
 
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I just don't see a path for us getting a high end C or RW prospect. Unless Michkov ends up in a Panarin like situation.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Or maybe Sean Day found himself like 30th on the organizational depth chart for defensemen as the depth of prospects grew leaps and bounds in just a couple years after he was drafted and he wanted a fresh start.

Not really sure how a nothing player who spent deserved time in the ECHL wanting to leave for a fresh start after his path to the NHL as a Ranger is basically impossible is an indictment on the organization.
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When that happens, players usually ask to be loaned elsewhere, or ask to be traded (Daniel Walcott comes to mind) not terminate their contract. It's just a weird situation.

Anyway, let's get back to draft discussions.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
It's also an issue when the org can't manage them properly. No other team has these issues to this degree.

Example: Why did Sean Day terminate his ELC? Clearly he was desperate to leave having to pay back his signing bonus by doing so.
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That’s a fair point. I’m curious if it’s more the individual kids they draft or the management once they’re in the organization. It’s probably a little column A and a little column B. At the very least, you have to think that there’s a major breakdown in communication somewhere along the line which is hopefully being rectified.

As for Day, I’m not sure that’s relevant. He was so buried on the depth chart by a plethora of young talent that he was never getting a chance so it might’ve made sense for him from that standpoint. He was probably closer to be assigned to the ECHL than the NHL.
 
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rangersfansince08 said:
I just don't see a path for us getting a high end C or RW prospect. Unless Michkov ends up in a Panarin like situation.
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If you’re talking about another top 5 pick then you’re right, but if they keep their first then there’s a strong chance that they can find talent elsewhere. They haven’t been shy about trading up in the 1st round either if they like a certain player.
 
Barnaby said:
If you’re talking about another top 5 pick then you’re right, but if they keep their first then there’s a strong chance that they can find talent elsewhere. They haven’t been shy about trading up in the 1st round either if they like a certain player.
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Is there any Panarin (KHL FA), Fox(wants to be traded here) or Hayes/Pionk (college FA) type situation we can exploit?
 
Barnaby said:
That’s a fair point. I’m curious if it’s more the individual kids they draft or the management once they’re in the organization. It’s probably a little column A and a little column B. At the very least, you have to think that there’s a major breakdown in communication somewhere along the line which is hopefully being rectified.

As for Day, I’m not sure that’s relevant. He was so buried on the depth chart by a plethora of young talent that he was never getting a chance so it might’ve made sense for him from that standpoint. He was probably closer to be assigned to the ECHL than the NHL.
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There are people in the organisation who have criticised the way this team handles its players. "Treating them as assets, not as human beings" is one of the phrases that was used.

It's foolish to completely ignore the organisation the same way it's foolish to completely absolve the individuals from any blame. Truth is, this team has had more public issues with young players than any other team in the league. That's bad, and it even caused some family members of prospects to wonder "will this happen to my son/brother/grandson/cousin".

Re: Sean Day. I think it's relevant since it points to a wider issue. The lack of success of a player shouldn't affect the validity of their experiences.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
There are people in the organisation who have criticised the way this team handles its players. "Treating them as assets, not as human beings" is one of the phrases that was used.

It's foolish to completely ignore the organisation the same way it's foolish to completely absolve the individuals from any blame. Truth is, this team has had more public issues with young players than any other team in the league. That's bad, and it even caused some family members of prospects to wonder "will this happen to my son/brother/grandson/cousin".

Re: Sean Day. I think it's relevant since it points to a wider issue. The lack of success of a player shouldn't affect the validity of their experiences.
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Was it worse before or now? Are they aware and trying to rectify it?
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
The solution there would be to ask to be loaned to another AHL team. Terminating your ELC and paying back your signing bonus at that age... I don't remember seeing that from a NA prospect.

EU players (Meskanen, Lindqvist, Stromwall etc) usually have a more lucrative offer that covers that loss, but Day choosing to not only walk away from his ELC, but in the process pay back what amounted to 25% of his career earnings at that point is not something players do just to get more minutes elsewhere. Just saying.
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I think he saw he needed a new start—somewhere where there was a real path forward for him. In a way the letter help kill his chances here. After that happened the Rangers just brought in so many better defense prospects.
 
eco's bones said:
I think he saw he needed a new start—somewhere where there was a real path forward for him. In a way the letter help kill his chances here. After that happened the Rangers just brought in so many better defense prospects.
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I get that. That still doesn't explain walking away from 92,500 by terminating your contract, especially when you haven't really earned that much yet. Players in the situaion you describe usually ask for a trade or ask to be loaned elsewhere in the AHL. Terminating an ELC is super rare for a NA player who then stays in NA to play for another AHL team.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
There are people in the organisation who have criticised the way this team handles its players. "Treating them as assets, not as human beings" is one of the phrases that was used.

It's foolish to completely ignore the organisation the same way it's foolish to completely absolve the individuals from any blame. Truth is, this team has had more public issues with young players than any other team in the league. That's bad, and it even caused some family members of prospects to wonder "will this happen to my son/brother/grandson/cousin".

Re: Sean Day. I think it's relevant since it points to a wider issue. The lack of success of a player shouldn't affect the validity of their experiences.
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I agree on the above statement. Whatever the leading cause is - clearly, something is amiss.

As for Day, I haven’t heard enough to know one way or the other. Did he have a bad experience? If I was in his shoes and felt permanently blocked then I might very well be willing to repay my signing bonus for the opportunity to go out and pick the best spot for myself.
 
Barnaby said:
I agree on the above statement. Whatever the leading cause is - clearly, something is amiss.

As for Day, I haven’t heard enough to know one way or the other. Did he have a bad experience? If I was in his shoes and felt permanently blocked then I might very well be willing to repay my signing bonus for the opportunity to go out and pick the best spot for myself.
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Why not just ask to be loaned elsewhere then? Or ask to be traded like Daniel Walcott.

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