2022 Line Combinations

[zeke]

You really trying to pretend the team didn't get softer that year though? Poak was a different kind of player than Muzzin. Muzz throws hits, Polak would punch someone in the face and cleared his crease aggressively.

Then you try to sneak in Komarov leaving like he wasn't a grinder on our 4th line that playoff. And you completely neglected to mention Connor Brown who also had grease to his game.

I named every player change that happened between those two playoffs.

Komarov wasn't a grinder on our 4th line in that playoff. He was an extra, He played 2gms, with the least ice time on the team.

Connor Brown was on the team in both of those playoffs.


Again, the complete list of changes:

JVR ---> Tavares
Bozak -> T.Moore
Plekanec -> Gauthier
(D.Moore/Komo -> Ennis)

Muzzin -> Polak

 

[zeke]

The complete list of changes for the playoffs after that:

Kadri ----> Kerfoot
Brown --> Mikheyev
Marleau -> Spezza
Gauthier -> Engvall
T.Moore -> Clifford

Gardiner -> Barrie
Hainsey ---> Holl
Zaitsev ---> Ceci


And the next year:

Kapanen --> Foligno
Johnsson -> Thornton
Clifford ---> Simmonds
Robertson -> Galchenyuk

Barrie ----> Brodie
Ceci ------> Bogosian


And the next year:

Hyman ----> Bunting
Foligno ----> Kampf
Thornton --> Kase
Simmonds -> Blackwell

Dermott ---> Giordano
Bogosian --> Lyubushkin

 

[Nineteen67]

Boy oh boy, looking at that list of player changes and the fact that the core hasnt always competed in the playoffs tells you everything you need to know about why they’ve had no success.

 

[francis246]

Boy oh boy, looking at that list of player changes and the fact that the core hasnt always competed in the playoffs tells you everything you need to know about why they’ve had no success.

I agree as well. I’m sure this is the last kick at the can for this core and by this core I mean Nylander probably gets traded cause he’s the scape goat lol. I just don’t see a scenario where they trade Marner or Matthews. Unless they can swing a deal like Calgary did to trade Matthew Tkachuk

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Are people actually suggesting Hyman was a physical player? He absolutely was not, and is not now either. He is/was a puck hound, but he was never physical in any way that one would call remotely noteworthy.

I think I disagree. Hyman put his physical strength into winning puck battles / retrieving the puck. He won a lot of those battles. There's no way to win those battles without being physical. He certainly didn't do open ice hits or drill a guy through the boards.

I can't speak for his career with EDM. I don't watch them much.

 

[andora]

i think again this debate over 'physical' has one side with a predisposition to interpreting physical as guys that throw big hits and rile up the emotion and take themselves out of position and the other side speaking about guys that get physically engaged consistently in important areas of the ice to win space, puck battles and to maintain possession.

 

[Mess]

I think I disagree. Hyman put his physical strength into winning puck battles / retrieving the puck. He won a lot of those battles. There's no way to win those battles without being physical. He certainly didn't do open ice hits or drill a guy through the boards.

I can't speak for his career with EDM. I don't watch them much.

Some of Leafs more skilled players prefer to stick check rather than engage physically, Hyman was not one of those types that played a heavy game and used his strength and compete level to win puck battles.

Not all people give a player credit when he uses his body to control the puck and win 50/50 puck a battles. But those are the kinds of players you want on playoff teams willing to sacrifice and compete hard.

Hyman was missed as he help Edmoton advance to round #3, before losing to the eventual Cup champs. You have to go way back to find the last Leaf that scored 11 playoff goals in a season.

Hyman scored 38 goals last year for Edmonton regular season and playoffs and only Auston Matthews scored more on our Leafs, but then again awesome Auston scored more than anybody.

 

[NewEraGM]

Bunting- Matthews- Marner
Milano - Tavares - Rodrigues
Engvall - Jarnkrok- Nylander
NAC - Kampf - ZAR

Maybe sign Milano first

 

[NewEraGM]

Maybe sign Milano first

And Rodrigues …leafs bottom 6 is so whack

 

[Clyde Brewer]

And Rodrigues …leafs bottom 6 is so whack

Rodrigues is off the table, he signed with Colorado for $2 million. I was hoping Toronto would grab him.

 

[Nineteen67]

I agree as well. I’m sure this is the last kick at the can for this core and by this core I mean Nylander probably gets traded cause he’s the scape goat lol. I just don’t see a scenario where they trade Marner or Matthews. Unless they can swing a deal like Calgary did to trade Matthew Tkachuk

Nylander is only a scapegoat because he doesn’t know how to compete in a playoff series.

 

[Dekes For Days]

i think again this debate over 'physical' has one side with a predisposition to interpreting physical as guys that throw big hits and rile up the emotion and take themselves out of position and the other side speaking about guys that get physically engaged consistently in important areas of the ice to win space, puck battles and to maintain possession.

The issue is that the side that vastly overrates the impact of physicality says that they're talking about "guys that get physically engaged consistently in important areas of the ice to win space, puck battles and maintain possession", but we have no shortage of those guys and they're still labeled "soft", and the type of players they actually talk about wanting are the guys who lay big hits and fight and rile people up and are visibly physical, even if they're not great at the whole actually winning puck battles and maintaining possession part.

 

[Nineteen67]

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I think I disagree. Hyman put his physical strength into winning puck battles / retrieving the puck. He won a lot of those battles. There's no way to win those battles without being physical. He certainly didn't do open ice hits or drill a guy through the boards.

I can't speak for his career with EDM. I don't watch them much.

He is fast and relentless. It baffles me why other skilled 6+ 200lb players can’t play like that.

 

[andora]

The issue is that the side that vastly overrates the impact of physicality says that they're talking about "guys that get physically engaged consistently in important areas of the ice to win space, puck battles and maintain possession", but we have no shortage of those guys and they're still labeled "soft", and the type of players they actually talk about wanting are the guys who lay big hits and fight and rile people up and are visibly physical, even if they're not great at the whole actually winning puck battles and maintaining possession part.

Do they have analytics on physical play and Puck battles.

Like normal you are blanketing it saying that everybody wants guys running around.

 

[Nineteen67]

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Stick checking with less than 4 mins left in the season.
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Some of Leafs more skilled players prefer to stick check rather than engage physically, Hyman was not one of those types that played a heavy game and used his strength and compete level to win puck battles.

Not all people give a player credit when he uses his body to control the puck and win 50/50 puck a battles. But those are the kinds of players you want on playoff teams willing to sacrifice and compete hard.

Hyman was missed as he help Edmoton advance to round #3, before losing to the eventual Cup champs. You have to go way back to find the last Leaf that scored 11 playoff goals in a season.

Hyman scored 38 goals last year for Edmonton regular season and playoffs and only Auston Matthews scored more on our Leafs, but then again awesome Auston scored more than anybody.

 

[ULF_55]

Nylander is only a scapegoat because he doesn’t know how to compete in a playoff series.

Maybe he needs a change of scenary.

In the post season he needs to be better than Matthews.

 

[kb]

Nylander is only a scapegoat because he doesn’t know how to compete in a playoff series.

Yep.

Last 3 regular seasons

GP: 200
Pts: 181
PPG: .905

Last 3 playoffs:

GP: 19
Pts: 19
PPG: 1.00

See? You just proved that he's not a playoff performer. Thank you for pointing that out.

 

[ULF_55]

Yep.

Last 3 regular seasons

GP: 200
Pts: 181
PPG: .905

Last 3 playoffs:

GP: 19
Pts: 19
PPG: 1.00

See? You just proved that he's not a playoff performer. Thank you for pointing that out.

I think at times his HIQ escapes some people.

Especially, the one play where he let the opposition player go into the boards first and then he almost picked his pocket on the ensuing play. Had he gone into the boards first he would have been hit and covered without a play to be made. Another play was when he let up on an icing where the puck went around the net and on the other side of the net was a Lightning player further into the zone. He couldn't beat out the icing as he wasn't going to be first to the puck. Processing speed is important and knowing which hill to die on matters.

 

[Nineteen67]

Yep.

Last 3 regular seasons

GP: 200
Pts: 181
PPG: .905

Last 3 playoffs:

GP: 19
Pts: 19
PPG: 1.00

See? You just proved that he's not a playoff performer. Thank you for pointing that out.

When did I say he's not a playoff performer?

He gets his cookies, but if he had more compete he might get points in the 2nd round.

 

[Nineteen67]

I think at times his HIQ escapes some people.

Especially, the one play where he let the opposition player go into the boards first and then he almost picked his pocket on the ensuing play. Had he gone into the boards first he would have been hit and covered without a play to be made. Another play was when he let up on an icing where the puck went around the net and on the other side of the net was a Lightning player further into the zone. He couldn't beat out the icing as he wasn't going to be first to the puck. Processing speed is important and knowing which hill to die on matters.

With under 4 mins left in your season you can’t let up. You have to sacrifice. Especially when he had an open Spezza behind the net.

 

[notbias]

His 11 goals in 16 playoff games tying TB captain Steven Stamkos and Avs captain Gabriel Landeskog for 3rd in playoff goal scoring was a thing of beauty though ..

Too bad that's what the Leafs really missed from last year, that puck hound 110% compete level each shift.

Leafs core 4 only managed 12 goals combined in 28 man games.

now do his Leafs stats..... Just post them and tell us how good he was, no need for a novel to hide his terrible stats with a story.

Some of Leafs more skilled players prefer to stick check rather than engage physically, Hyman was not one of those types that played a heavy game and used his strength and compete level to win puck battles.

Not all people give a player credit when he uses his body to control the puck and win 50/50 puck a battles. But those are the kinds of players you want on playoff teams willing to sacrifice and compete hard.

Hyman was missed as he help Edmoton advance to round #3, before losing to the eventual Cup champs. You have to go way back to find the last Leaf that scored 11 playoff goals in a season.

Hyman scored 38 goals last year for Edmonton regular season and playoffs and only Auston Matthews scored more on our Leafs, but then again awesome Auston scored more than anybody.

Hyman is not skilled enough to win puck battles the same way the "stick checkers" do.

Your sample sizes change constantly in arguments, weird, they always seem to make the Leafs look worse.. 1 season for Hyman, 3 for Murray... hmmmm

 

[All Mod Cons]

Maybe he needs a change of scenary.

In the post season he needs to be better than Matthews.

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Mitch seems to struggle in the playoffs. As many goals as Jake Muzzin, but played 4 games extra
That's not desirable.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Bunts - AM - MM
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Willie
Engvall - Kerfoot - NAK
ZAR - Kampf - Anderson

That’s my prediction.
Robertson will be up for much of the season but being waiver exempt will hurt his chances.
Kerfoot and Jarnkrok could Swap as well.

 

[ULF_55]

Mitch seems to struggle in the playoffs. As many goals as Jake Muzzin, but played 4 games extra
That's not desirable.

Well if Matthews has a Canadiens series it's difficult to pick up points.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Well if Matthews has a Canadiens series it's difficult to pick up points.

Nylander did alright.