2022 Line Combinations

[Sypher04]

Are people actually suggesting Hyman was a physical player? He absolutely was not, and is not now either. He is/was a puck hound, but he was never physical in any way that one would call remotely noteworthy.

 

[zeke]

Are people actually suggesting Hyman was a physical player? He absolutely was not, and is not now either. He is/was a puck hound, but he was never physical in any way that one would call remotely noteworthy.

Not very good defensively either.

 

[LeafEgo]

Except that didn't happen at all. There were only about 4 players different between the 2017-2018 and 2018-2019 rosters, and two of them were Tavares and Muzzin. There was no notable loss of physicality between the two years, and we've never lost a series because of physicality. You're misremembering and vastly overrating this aspect of play.

In the 2019 playoffs Leafs won the first game. In game 2 Boston came out full tilt and decided to beat us up. At one point a bruin was trying to put a leafs players head through the ice. It got so bad Kadri tried to kill somebody and refs got booted from the playoffs. We lost the series. After 7 games the untouched Bruins went on to win 8 of their next 10.

Going in we only really had Muzzin. It was apparent to everyone that wasn't enough - except the rookie who was trying to install some smarter than everyone new age skill only style hockey. That didn't last for obvious reasons.

How tough we were the year before is actually irrelevant, but we did recently lose guys like Komarov, Martin, Polak. Most of which almost immediately went on to support an unskilled team and the previous GM hit the conference finals twice.

 

[andora]

In the 2019 playoffs Leafs won the first game. In game 2 Boston came out full tilt and decided to beat us up. At one point a bruin was trying to put a leafs players head through the ice. It got so bad Kadri tried to kill somebody and refs got booted from the playoffs. We lost the series. After 7 games the untouched Bruins went on to win 8 of their next 10.

Going in we only really had Muzzin. It was apparent to everyone that wasn't enough - except the rookie who was trying to install some smarter than everyone new age skill only style hockey. That didn't last for obvious reasons.

How tough we were the year before is actually irrelevant, but we did recently lose guys like Komarov, Martin, Polak. Most of which almost immediately went on to support an unskilled team and the previous GM hit the conference finals twice.

But their cap is f***ed

 

[Clyde Brewer]

In the 2019 playoffs Leafs won the first game. In game 2 Boston came out full tilt and decided to beat us up. At one point a bruin was trying to put a leafs players head through the ice. It got so bad Kadri tried to kill somebody and refs got booted from the playoffs. We lost the series. After 7 games the untouched Bruins went on to win 8 of their next 10.

Going in we only really had Muzzin. It was apparent to everyone that wasn't enough - except the rookie who was trying to install some smarter than everyone new age skill only style hockey. That didn't last for obvious reasons.

How tough we were the year before is actually irrelevant, but we did recently lose guys like Komarov, Martin, Polak. Most of which almost immediately went on to support an unskilled team and the previous GM hit the conference finals twice.

This is exactly what happened. With nobody else capable of stepping up, poor Kadri decided to take matters into his own hands, and we know how that turned out.

Kadri should never have had to take on that burden. He, and the team, had been setup to fail. I think that may have been the softest playoffs roster ever assembled.

 

[Dekes For Days]

In the 2019 playoffs Leafs won the first game. In game 2 Boston came out full tilt and decided to beat us up.

Game 2 against Boston was a mess, but that's because the refs horribly mismanaged the game and let Boston and more importantly only Boston break rules and make dangerous plays without consequence. It was one of the worst displays of officiating in the modern era. It was one game though, and we didn't lose that series (or even that game) because of physicality. The main reason we lost that series was because of a 56% PK.

the rookie who was trying to install some smarter than everyone new age skill only style hockey.

Except Dubas never tried to do that.

How tough we were the year before is actually irrelevant, but we did recently lose guys like Komarov, Martin, Polak.

How "tough" we were the year before is actually extremely relevant, since you're making a false claim that Dubas came in and purged the team of physicality, when our level of team-wide physicality didn't actually change at all. Martin didn't play a single game in the playoffs in 2017-2018, and Komarov (who wasn't even really that "tough" anymore) only played 2. Babcock had already replaced those two before Dubas even took over, and the team was better off for it. Polak was replaced by the far superior and just as physical Muzzin.

 

[zeke]

In the 2019 playoffs Leafs won the first game. In game 2 Boston came out full tilt and decided to beat us up. At one point a bruin was trying to put a leafs players head through the ice. It got so bad Kadri tried to kill somebody and refs got booted from the playoffs. We lost the series. After 7 games the untouched Bruins went on to win 8 of their next 10.

Going in we only really had Muzzin. It was apparent to everyone that wasn't enough - except the rookie who was trying to install some smarter than everyone new age skill only style hockey. That didn't last for obvious reasons.

How tough we were the year before is actually irrelevant, but we did recently lose guys like Komarov, Martin, Polak. Most of which almost immediately went on to support an unskilled team and the previous GM hit the conference finals twice.

again, the change from Lou's bruising defensive 2018 leafs to Dubas' weak sklled midget 2019 leafs:

JVR ---> Tavares
Bozak -> T.Moore
Plekanev -> Gauthier
(D.Moore/Komo ->Ennis)

Polak ---> Muzzin

 

[IPS]

Yep I remember you being totally unable to understand the fact that Bogo leaving his linemates with no support was a bad thing.

Yeah it was me being totally unable to understand that those dreadful giveaways by Sandin and Dermott were Bogosian's fault.

Thankfully I'm not in the position where I need to argue that. I was actually a fan of Dermott and still am a fan of Sandin but I'm not afraid to admit when they f*** up bad. You on the other hand desperately have to try and absolve them by scapegoating the players you don't like and it's completely transparent.

 

[Mess]

Are people actually suggesting Hyman was a physical player? He absolutely was not, and is not now either. He is/was a puck hound, but he was never physical in any way that one would call remotely noteworthy.

His 11 goals in 16 playoff games tying TB captain Steven Stamkos and Avs captain Gabriel Landeskog for 3rd in playoff goal scoring was a thing of beauty though ..

Too bad that's what the Leafs really missed from last year, that puck hound 110% compete level each shift.

Leafs core 4 only managed 12 goals combined in 28 man games.

 

[IPS]

His 11 goals in 16 playoff games tying TB captain Steven Stamkos and Avs captain Gabriel Landeskog for 3rd in playoff goal scoring was a thing of beauty though ..

Too bad that's what the Leafs really missed last year.

I'm sure shooting 16.4% had nothing to do with that

Didn't seem like much of a "thing of beauty" to me. Was literally the same Hyman we got in every playoff run he had with us.

 

[zeke]

Yeah it was me being totally unable to understand that those dreadful giveaways by Sandin and Dermott were Bogosian's fault.

Thankfully I'm not in the position where I need to argue that. I was actually a fan of Dermott and still am a fan of Sandin but I'm not afraid to admit when they f*** up bad. You on the other hand desperately have to try and absolve them by scapegoating the players you don't like and it's completely transparent.

yep, just bad luck that all the f***ups happened when Bogo was on the ice (nowhere remotely close to being in position).

 

[IPS]

yep, just bad luck that all the f***ups happened when Bogo was on the ice (nowhere remotely close to being in position).

He must have used his psychic abilities to make Galchenyuk perform the stupidest pass in playoff history.

 

[zeke]

He must have used his psychic abilities to make Galchenyuk perform the stupidest pass in playoff history.

weird how a winger can run out of room on the rightside of the offensive blueline and give away the puck and somehow the other team gets a 2 man breakaway.

it's almost like someone was nowhere near in position supporting his teammates. might even be the rightside dman!

 

[IPS]

weird how a winger can run out of room on the rightside of the offensive blueline and give away the puck and somehow the other team gets a 2 man breakaway.

it's almost like someone was nowhere near in position supporting his teammates. might even be the rightside dman!

Holy cow are you ever stretching this

I don't see any point in continuing. You are dead set on making whoever you dislike as the bad guy no matter what reality says.

 

[ToneDog]

Holy cow are you ever stretching this

I don't see any point in continuing. You are dead set on making whoever you dislike as the bad guy no matter what reality says.

Love/defend at all costs when there are here. Rip the moment they leave because Dubas cannot resign them.

Next up. Bunting and Kampf unless somebody puts an end to Dubas running it back again.

 

[zeke]

Holy cow are you ever stretching this

I don't see any point in continuing. You are dead set on making whoever you dislike as the bad guy no matter what reality says.

Why was Galchenyuk the last man back on the right side of the blueline?

Would he have tried that pass if he had someone waiting in the right side of the neutral zone to dump it off to?

 

[IPS]

Love/defend at all costs when there are here. Rip the moment they leave because Dubas cannot resign them.

Next up. Bunting and Kampf unless somebody puts an end to Dubas running it back again.

Yeah I can't wait until he inevitable day where Bunting becomes an off-cast overrated product of Matthews/Marner.

 

[Sypher04]

His 11 goals in 16 playoff games tying TB captain Steven Stamkos and Avs captain Gabriel Landeskog for 3rd in playoff goal scoring was a thing of beauty though ..

Too bad that's what the Leafs really missed from last year, that puck hound 110% compete level each shift.

Leafs core 4 only managed 12 goals combined in 28 man games.

What's really too bad is that Hyman's playoff last year was never something he came close to doing here.

Hyman was as useless as anyone in the post season as a Leaf. His game never carried over from the season.

Also nice job completely moving the discussion away from what I said so you could spew your nonsense.

 

[Dekes For Days]

His 11 goals in 16 playoff games tying TB captain Steven Stamkos and Avs captain Gabriel Landeskog for 3rd in playoff goal scoring was a thing of beauty though
Too bad that's what the Leafs really missed from last year, that puck hound 110% compete level each shift.

He had 5 goals (which was actually 4) and 13 points (actually 12) in 32 playoff games with the Leafs. We didn't miss that at all.

And not sure what your post has to do with the post you quoted.

 

[andora]

we are blaming bogosian for the pinch on chuckys boneheaded pass now? it was 3-2 for leafs man wise near the blueline - chucky and chucky alone made the choice to no look. any player with sense eats it, shovels it deep or turns and takes a look. he had support, kerfoot was high

holy hell

 

[zeke]

we are blaming bogosian for the pinch on chuckys boneheaded pass now? it was 3-2 for leafs man wise near the blueline - chucky and chucky alone made the choice to no look. any player with sense eats it, shovels it deep or turns and takes a look. he had support, kerfoot was high

holy hell

yep, just bad luck for Bogo that he's on the ice (nowhere near in position) for all those f***ups.

 

[andora]

yep, just bad luck for Bogo that he's on the ice (nowhere near in position) for all those f***ups.

lol, i wont even try.

 

[Notsince67]

+/- often does

Not on the leafs. Top forward line is the biggest + by a longshot

 

[HockeyVirus]

Are people actually suggesting Hyman was a physical player? He absolutely was not, and is not now either. He is/was a puck hound, but he was never physical in any way that one would call remotely noteworthy.

Not very good defensively either.

BS. He was physical he was a grinder and he was a great PKer for us and great with an empty net

 

[HockeyVirus]

again, the change from Lou's bruising defensive 2018 leafs to Dubas' weak sklled midget 2019 leafs:

JVR ---> Tavares
Bozak -> T.Moore
Plekanev -> Gauthier
(D.Moore/Komo ->Ennis)

Polak ---> Muzzin

You really trying to pretend the team didn't get softer that year though? Poak was a different kind of player than Muzzin. Muzz throws hits, Polak would punch someone in the face and cleared his crease aggressively.

Then you try to sneak in Komarov leaving like he wasn't a grinder on our 4th line that playoff. And you completely neglected to mention Connor Brown who also had grease to his game.