2022 Line Combinations

[notDatsyuk]

Leafs have 3 X $11 mil players and each of those players at that CH% rate should be able to carry their own lines.

I would like to finally see the Leafs build a line-up that has Matthews, Tavares and Marner all on different lines and build a solid top 9, and not put all your eggs in one basket with a core 4 eating 1/2 you cap all doubled up and thus easier to shutdown come playoff time. Leafs top 6 and bottom 6 current construction has failed over and over.

XXXX --- Matthews --- XXXX
XXXX --- Tavares ------ XXXX
XXXX --- XXXXX ------ Marner

To me it's not the dollar amount that makes you 'carry a line'.

I agree that I'd like to see three good lines, but I don't think separating Matthews and Marner is the best fix. I'd rather separate Tavares and Nylander.

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Engvall/Robertson - Jarnkrok - Nylander
Engvall/Robertson - Tavares - Anderson/Kerfoot
ZAR - Kampf - NAK

 

[BlueBaron]

A lot of people seem to have Robertson pencilled in in their top 6. If Robertson is going to play there, he’s going to have to have a flawless camp. I’m not banking on it.

While I think you're right I believe there is another consideration I've been thinking about.

Robertson is basically a sniper. JT and Nylander need a play maker. Mitch 2.0.

Stylistically I'm not sure he's a good fit. It's possible his only fit is on the top line which is a lot to ask.

Now I admit I've not seen Robertson play alot. I was hoping someone might have some insight into what types of roles he could fill. Am I selling his playmaking short? Is he durable enough to be the puck retriever (I suspect no)?

 

[BlueBaron]

What? Marner is 100% not a worse player with Tavares. If anything he’s even better with Tavares. Their play style works so well together.

Additionally it makes our offense more balanced

I think what he means is Mitch can be more creative with Auston because he has more tools. Auston also buys Mitch more space because he has to be the defensive focus.

Mitch makes everyone better but he was designed for AM.

 

[Nineteen67]

While I think you're right I believe there is another consideration I've been thinking about.

Robertson is basically a sniper. JT and Nylander need a play maker. Mitch 2.0.

Stylistically I'm not sure he's a good fit. It's possible his only fit is on the top line which is a lot to ask.

Now I admit I've not seen Robertson play alot. I was hoping someone might have some insight into what types of roles he could fill. Am I selling his playmaking short? Is he durable enough to be the puck retriever (I suspect no)?

From the small sample size I’ve seen, Robertson had an above average NHL shot but was too weak to play in the NHL.

 

[Shooter2x]

Nylander should be with an elite line mate if you have the luxury to pair him with one after your first line. Highly dislike the over-thinking lines that spread the offence. You will get more offence from jt-nylander if they click this year compared to the spreading, even if the spreading ends up working.

I suspect a full off season of real training + training camp will win back a lot of JT detractors + make Nylander a full season fan favorite.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Tangent question: I only joined 5 years ago but aren't things a little slow around here even for the offseason? I find it kind of weird I check in every day with almost no new topics.

 

[andora]

Tangent question: I only joined 5 years ago but aren't things a little slow around here even for the offseason? I find it kind of weird I check in every day with almost no new topics.

What you see are tests, not topics. The only topic being discussed is whether or not dubas has passed any of them yet. Quick get in and vote on the aston reese test

 

[ACC1224]

Tangent question: I only joined 5 years ago but aren't things a little slow around here even for the offseason? I find it kind of weird I check in every day with almost no new topics.

Definately slower than normal. A few more days until physicals then things should pick up.

 

[BlueBaron]

Tangent question: I only joined 5 years ago but aren't things a little slow around here even for the offseason? I find it kind of weird I check in every day with almost no new topics.

We didn't have much to react to until the rookie tournament. Once we get daily training camp stories and approach preseason it will heat up.

 

[kb]

Tangent question: I only joined 5 years ago but aren't things a little slow around here even for the offseason? I find it kind of weird I check in every day with almost no new topics.

A fair amount of the good, knowledgeable posters just got sick and tired of the constant 'stuff' that runs unchecked.

Just look at the thread titles and then the posts, and you will get an idea why they left. There is only one topic in almost every thread, and is not usually related to the thread title.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nylander should be with an elite line mate if you have the luxury to pair him with one after your first line. Highly dislike the over-thinking lines that spread the offence. You will get more offence from jt-nylander if they click this year compared to the spreading, even if the spreading ends up working.

I suspect a full off season of real training + training camp will win back a lot of JT detractors + make Nylander a full season fan favorite.

Completely agree that Nylander should have an elite player on the second line, but I think management is unwilling to drop JT to 3C, mainly because of his price tag.

 

[zeke]

Completely agree that Nylander should have an elite player on the second line, but I think management is unwilling to drop JT to 3C, mainly because of his price tag.

Why would a top 15 scoring center in hockey play on a 3rd line?

 

[jaric1862]

Apparently Engvall is injured?

They can keep Holl on the team to start I guess

 

[hockeynorth]

What I'd like to see by around the ASG:

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Engvall - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - Kerfoot - Jarnkrok
ZAR - Kampf - Kubel

Rielly - Liljegren
Muzzin - Brodie
Giordano - Sandin

Murray
Samsonov

* Why i say by the ASG, well, I don't think Robertson will be ready right out of the gate
** I think Holmberg could push for a lineup spot, same with Malgin, in with case I'd like to see something like this:

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - Kerfoot - Malgin/Holmberg
Jarnkrok - Kampf - Kubel

 

[ZEBROA]

Bunting-matthews-Marner
Jarnkrok-Tavares-Nylander
Robertson Kerfoot Engvall
? ? ?

 

[Uncus13]

From the small sample size I’ve seen, Robertson had an above average NHL shot but was too weak to play in the NHL.

Marner and st louis arent? Don't measure the tiger by its roar, only by its heart.

 

[Nineteen67]

Marner and st louis arent? Don't measure the tiger by its roar, only by its heart.

Marner is one of the elite players in the NHL. HOFer St Louis leg is bigger than Robertson.

I heard Robertson added some weight, hopefully it helps.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Why would a top 15 scoring center in hockey play on a 3rd line?

Because he doesn't work well with a top 5 scoring right winger?

 

[Fogelhund]

Because he doesn't work well with a top 5 scoring right winger?

He doesn't? What do you mean by this? In what way don't they work well together? Which stats are you using?

 

[notDatsyuk]

He doesn't? What do you mean by this? In what way don't they work well together? Which stats are you using?

Watching them play together and apart for the last four years.

 

[Fogelhund]

Watching them play together and apart for the last four years.

So nothing but a bad eye test then? Dismissed.

 

[Fogelhund]

When you rely on the eye test, but can't back it up. Tavares and Nylander don't work together... and yet, history shows they do... But, the eye test only remembers a few bad patches, and skews the memory. They've actually worked quite well together, for some time.

Year		Line	Minutes	Games	xGoals %	xGoals For	xGoals Against	xGoals
						Per 60 Minutes	Per 60 Minutes	differential/60
2021/22	Toronto Maple Leafs	Robertson-Tavares-Nylander	32.2​	6​	58.30%​	3.91​	2.79​	1.12​
2021/22	Toronto Maple Leafs	Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander	399.9​	53​	52.80%​	2.94​	2.63​	0.31​
2020/21	Toronto Maple Leafs	Hyman-Tavares-Nylander	42.8​	22​	66%​	3.79​	1.96​	1.83​
2020/21	Toronto Maple Leafs	Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander	93.8​	16​	62.10%​	3.45​	2.11​	1.34​
2020/21	Toronto Maple Leafs	Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander	168.7​	18​	60.00%​	3.31​	2.21​	1.1​
2020/21	Toronto Maple Leafs	Vesey-Tavares-Nylander	42.7​	10​	50.00%​	2.39​	2.39​	0​
2019/20	Toronto Maple Leafs	Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander	195.1​	20​	58.60%​	3.04​	2.15​	0.89​

 

[All Mod Cons]

When you rely on the eye test, but can't back it up. Tavares and Nylander don't work together... and yet, history shows they do... But, the eye test only remembers a few bad patches, and skews the memory. They've actually worked quite well together, for some time.

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[TD]Year[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]Line[/TD]
[TD]Minutes[/TD]
[TD]Games[/TD]
[TD]xGoals %[/TD]
[TD]xGoals For[/TD]
[TD]xGoals Against[/TD]
[TD]xGoals[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Per 60 Minutes[/TD]
[TD]Per 60 Minutes[/TD]
[TD]differential/60[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2021/22[/TD]
[TD]Toronto Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD]Robertson-Tavares-Nylander[/TD]

[TD]

32.2​

[/TD]

[TD]

6​

[/TD]

[TD]

58.30%​

[/TD]

[TD]

3.91​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.79​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.12​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2021/22[/TD]
[TD]Toronto Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD]Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander[/TD]

[TD]

399.9​

[/TD]

[TD]

53​

[/TD]

[TD]

52.80%​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.94​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.63​

[/TD]

[TD]

0.31​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2020/21[/TD]
[TD]Toronto Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD]Hyman-Tavares-Nylander[/TD]

[TD]

42.8​

[/TD]

[TD]

22​

[/TD]

[TD]

66%​

[/TD]

[TD]

3.79​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.96​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.83​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2020/21[/TD]
[TD]Toronto Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD]Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander[/TD]

[TD]

93.8​

[/TD]

[TD]

16​

[/TD]

[TD]

62.10%​

[/TD]

[TD]

3.45​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.11​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.34​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2020/21[/TD]
[TD]Toronto Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD]Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander[/TD]

[TD]

168.7​

[/TD]

[TD]

18​

[/TD]

[TD]

60.00%​

[/TD]

[TD]

3.31​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.21​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.1​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2020/21[/TD]
[TD]Toronto Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD]Vesey-Tavares-Nylander[/TD]

[TD]

42.7​

[/TD]

[TD]

10​

[/TD]

[TD]

50.00%​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.39​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.39​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2019/20[/TD]
[TD]Toronto Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD]Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander[/TD]

[TD]

195.1​

[/TD]

[TD]

20​

[/TD]

[TD]

58.60%​

[/TD]

[TD]

3.04​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.15​

[/TD]

[TD]

0.89​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

And yet history doesn't unless you put all of your hockey knowledge and faith in anything that begins with an X.

I can't believe you just posted what you did (I can), while having a go at people who trust their eyes and brains.

Shocking scenes.

 

[Fogelhund]

And yet history doesn't unless you put all of your hockey knowledge and faith in anything that begins with an X.

I can't believe you just posted what you did (I can), while having a go at people who trust their eyes and brains.

Shocking scenes.

An assumption on your part, which is incorrect. Having an argument, that only relies on an eye test, is a poor argument. Using data and eye test is simply better... If you don't believe in stats, fair enough.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I believe in stats 100%, yet only when stats are accurate. X/anything isn't accurate. So until it is, it's completely irrelevant.