BringTheReign
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That explains why Slafkovsky is so low compared to most lists. He's come on strong later in his career and much of his case has been built at international tournaments as opposed to in-league play.
2022 Draft Discussion (after the trade)
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Raccoon Jesus
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Might have to look at past iterations vs. Kings picks eh haha
Raccoon Jesus
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Absolutely, and Bader has pointed that out a few times, he's wary of a tourney vs. league play.
They do have a fair share of guys with good D-1 and D-0 scores. Ducks in particular have been drafting guys with high equivalency scores too. Pastujov was one of those fallers from last year who scored highly. Brandt Clarke had the highest score among all dman last year (his D+1 score is also high).
King'sPawn
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Often someone does an HF mock draft where they go to each team's boards to vote. Doesn't look like it was done this year.
There are a few ways to do this. One option is to make a 10-option poll. Let people suggest different realistic trade scenarios between now and July 1 and mention who they'd pick and just list the best suggestions. For examples:
Option 1: trade 19 OA plus Vilardi to move up, draft Mintyukov
Option 2: keep 19 OA, draft Pickering
Option 3: trade 19 OA to move down + get pick, draft Bichsel
Alternatively, you can make multiple polls. One poll for people asking if they want to trade up, down, or stay. After the first poll, you can make a second poll of players available in the range people voted for.
Third option is to have one poll, allow multiple selections, but ask people to pick ONE option of move up, move down, or stay, and pick 3 prospects.
I'm reluctant to suggest the third based on the reading comprehension of some posters, but it would be the easiest to set up.
Unfortunately there's no way to number your top picks
I like this option the most: trade 19 OA plus Durzi to move up, draft Mintyukov
bland
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19oa is right in the worst range of pics. Guys with high level attributes and high level flaws transitioning into the top group of guys with mid level attributes and low level flaws. Lots of options with uncertainty, take a risk or play it safer than the slot allows?
King'sPawn
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I see it differently. I think it's a great position, because you can move up to grab a guy you like, without having to give up an absurd amount. Or you can stand pat, where a decent player undoubtedly falls.
If the Kings were in a need to get more picks, it's also a good place to trade with a team needing value.
As far as who to pick, I'm of the safer variety. Up front, I love Kasper but would be okay with McGroarty. I like Lambert too.
On the backend, I still lean more on Pickering or Bichsel. Both are less skilled offensively than some of the higher ranked players, but are tougher and more reliable defensively.
bland
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All good options, happy to have any of them join the organization. Years from now it will be very interesting to see how Covid has affected this generation of prospects, I would bet that in the next decade we see quite a range of deviated ratio of NHL pros to their respective picks.
For all we know Pinelli and Grans could be the stars of this current group.
DoktorJeep
Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
What team is lining up to weaken their draft position to get Durzi? A generation of Kings fans haven’t seen a defenseman who makes risky plays, so we overvalue a guy who couldn’t crack the top four on 30 nhl teams.
Moverare was signed before him. It shows you what Blake thinks he should pay Durzi. You think some other team is going to pony up and then open their wallet for Durzi?
The only blue chippers to trade are the guys on the untradeable list. Vilardi, Turcotte, and Bjornfot are closer to tweeners than studs. Kupari looks like Kempe, but might need 1-2 extra years.
Whatever trade splash Blake drops in the bowl this summer will take some actual sacrifice from the prospect depth chart to bring back a legitimate upgrade.
Moverare was signed before him. It shows you what Blake thinks he should pay Durzi. You think some other team is going to pony up and then open their wallet for Durzi?
The only blue chippers to trade are the guys on the untradeable list. Vilardi, Turcotte, and Bjornfot are closer to tweeners than studs. Kupari looks like Kempe, but might need 1-2 extra years.
Whatever trade splash Blake drops in the bowl this summer will take some actual sacrifice from the prospect depth chart to bring back a legitimate upgrade.
Ziggy Stardust
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It's interesting looking back at the Vilardi draft video and hearing all the praise he was receiving. The back problems really did set back his development, but he bounced back and had a really productive season in Ontario, and he also did well in the late stages of the season when he was called up, despite being used sparingly.
He seems like a player who is destined to breakout once he gets an opportunity, which sadly might have to happen on another team. It's going to play out like another Jason Allison like situation where the Caps gave up on him prematurely for aging vets, and he blossomed into a top line center in Boston.
Except in this case, the Kings probably won't receive as much because his value has been impacted negatively by how he's been utilized in LA.
He seems like a player who is destined to breakout once he gets an opportunity, which sadly might have to happen on another team. It's going to play out like another Jason Allison like situation where the Caps gave up on him prematurely for aging vets, and he blossomed into a top line center in Boston.
Except in this case, the Kings probably won't receive as much because his value has been impacted negatively by how he's been utilized in LA.
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Reaper45
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Lt Dan
F*** your ice cream!
Reaper45
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A Vilardi trade where he puts it together on a new team.
I could see Durzi as part of a package deal, not the main piece by any means though
The last few interviews with Gabe and his solid effort in the last games and playoffs makes me feel like it is coming to a head. He has issues but in the right spot he could blossom. I don’t think it will be in LA anymore given the construction of the team.
Ziggy Stardust
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Fun fact, the Kings actually traded up from 19th to 15th to select Forbort in 2010.
The two picks the Kings dealt turned into Nick Bjugstad (19th) and Jason Zucker (59th).
At least they didn't draft Emerson Etem with the 15th pick. That would've been an even bigger disaster.
The two picks the Kings dealt turned into Nick Bjugstad (19th) and Jason Zucker (59th).
At least they didn't draft Emerson Etem with the 15th pick. That would've been an even bigger disaster.
johnjm22
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I believe Vilardi and JAD are no longer waiver exempt, so they both have to stay in the NHL or AHL all season.
Neither has much trade value.
You move them now, you're selling low.
They both need development time in the NHL, but you're trying to win now so you can't give it to them.
Tough situation.
Neither has much trade value.
You move them now, you're selling low.
They both need development time in the NHL, but you're trying to win now so you can't give it to them.
Tough situation.
Reaper45
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You could always cash in on Lizotte when his value is the highest. JAD steps in as 4th line center. Lemieux-JAD-Grundstrom would be a pain.
johnjm22
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I don't think Lizotte has any more value than JAD or Vilardi.
I don't think the Kings would be willing to replace Lizotte with JAD because they would consider it a downgrade.
JAD scored at a 17 goal pace, as a rookie, while only getting 13min TOI per night, and that wasn't even good enough to keep him in the NHL.
Like JAD, the Kings also don't seem to like Grundstrom in the NHL. Not sure what they'll do with him.
The Grundstrom thing was frustrating all season long, but at least they finally seemed to warm up to him in the playoffs.
Peter James Bond II
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Logan Cooley. Pretty impressive. Will he go 1,2 or 3? No one has him at #1, that I've seen.
But after watching this, perhaps 3-4 years from now, he could be the best of the class.
The Yotes should take him at #3, if available and build around him. They should try to get 3 pieces for Chychrun too. They blew it, by sacrificing their pick last year...pretty costly,
But after watching this, perhaps 3-4 years from now, he could be the best of the class.
The Yotes should take him at #3, if available and build around him. They should try to get 3 pieces for Chychrun too. They blew it, by sacrificing their pick last year...pretty costly,
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kingsfan
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It was a big swing and dribbling single on that pick. It's 2010 and the Kings go on to win the 2012 and 2014 cups using the big body mentality, so they swung hard on a 6'4 220 lbs D-man. He obviously didn't pan out but he wasn't a bust either. To much revisionist history without context at times around here.
Ziggy Stardust
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He didn’t bust, but he also didn’t really do anything of substance and has become a journeyman dman who frustrates fans on every team he plays for.
I guess it worked out better than say a Keaton Ellerby or Dylan McIlrath, but it’s also funny watching that video and hearing the names of dmen taken much later who turned infinitely better, namely Justin Faulk.
