2022 Draft Discussion (after the trade)
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I'd love to come away with Minty with our first pick. But with all the Russian stuff and Los Angeles being such a liberal town (no politics -- just facts), i just have a hard time envisioning the Kings going Russian. But maybe Blake won't care -- we'll see.
My gut feeling, assuming we keep the pick, is that if McGroarty is on the board at 19 -- he'll be the pick.
My gut feeling, assuming we keep the pick, is that if McGroarty is on the board at 19 -- he'll be the pick.
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BTW, maybe i'm old & grumpy. But i hate when prospect lists / draft list do not list the DM by Left vs Right. They list Wingers as LW vs. RW (not simply W). Why not LD/RD?!?! Seriously is that not too much to ask or i'm being a little bitch. Maybe both =)
King'sPawn
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Mintyukov should be posted tomorrow. He came to North America last season. Even when the OHL was likely to shut down due to COVID, he stayed and practiced in Saginaw instead of returning to play overseas. He's definitely committed to NA hockey.
I think because they get tracked in the NHL as specific wings. For example, Ovechkin has the most goals of any left wing, when he passed Robitaille.
They don't track defenseman by position at the NHL level. Just the handedness.
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That's good to know. Although, it probably also means he won't make it to #19.
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Of the prospects not expected to make the top-5, these are the left defensemen I have written articles on who may be in the Kings' wheelhouse for varying reasons:
Pickering (LD)
Bichsel (LD)
Korchinski (LD)
Mateychuk (LD)
Mintyukov (pending) (LD)
Interestingly, these defensemen all exhibit different skillsets, so it's very easy to imagine a team having different lists. And here's a demonstration of it in motion.
Here are where different scouting services rank the aforementioned defensemen:
| Player | EP | FC | BMac | McKeen's | Button | CSS | SNet | ISS | Recruit | Dobber |
| Pickering | 16 | 32 | 36 | 37 | 13 | 15 (NA) | 21 | 19 | 21 | 16 |
| Bichsel | 28 | 25 | 35 | 41 | 64 | 9 (Euro) | 24 | 28 | 42 | 59 |
| Korchinski | 19 | 7 | 25 | 18 | 12 | 7 (NA) | 13 | 17 | 31 | 14 |
| Mateychuk | 8 | 17 | 29 | 17 | 22 | 14 (NA) | 16 | 21 | 20 | 10 |
| Mintyukov | 7 | 20 | 16 | 11 | 10 | 6 (NA) | 17 | 13 | 24 | 12 |
Looking at this list (I just grabbed the top 10 rankings as they were listed in EliteProspects), there is only one consensus: all these rankings think Mintyukov is better than Bichsel. But then FutureConsiderations, Recruit (a Montreal-based independent scouting service), and Dobber (who focuses on fantasy hockey) think Mateychuk is better than Mintyukov. BUT, Central Scouting gives Bichsel a better ranking than Mateychuk. FC and Sportsnet also think Korchinski is better than Mintyukov. But EliteProspects and Recruit rank Pickering higher than Korchinski.
The point is, you can literally look at any one prospect, and you can find at least one team who ranks another prospect in the same position better. This is even before you throw out the RD and forwards who have yet to be discussed.
I agree that Mintyukov is a longshot to fall to 19. There are circumstances to how it's a possibility though.
And even IF the Kings don't get Mintyukov, I'm honestly not going to be heartbroken. Bichsel and Pickering are both very "safe" players if you're looking for someone likely to play in the NHL. If you throw in some forwards, you can get character and grit from McGroarty or Kasper.
Maybe it's just me, but this years rankings seem to be so strange with movement. It seems like we always see a particular prospect making a big jump through the season to get into the top 10, but this year it feels like there's a good 6-10 guys who have made big moves in just the last couple of weeks. Why? No idea. Between Bichsel, Snuggerud, McGroarty, Korchinski, Pickering, and Warren it's hard to know where a lot of these guys are going to land.
Am I misreading these things and it's more common than I remember, or is the COVID stuff factoring in and the rankings are just a reflection of that?
Because he’s got the moves like Jagger….and I’ll see myself out.
King'sPawn
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It's an interesting observation, and I agree there's some truth to it. I think the biggest riser/most hype into the top-5 is Slafkovsky. Between Wright not dominating the draft class, Miroshnichenko losing the season to cancer, the WJC getting rescheduled due to COVID, and scouts putting a bigger focus on next season with Bedard vs Michkov, I just think the 2022 draft never had the chance to get the hype.
I also think there's been a shift in careers and burnout for some. Steve Kournianos, the Draft Analyst, hasn't put any rankings out. Rachel Doerrie (sp?) who was another contributor for a popular publication, was hired by Vancouver. Will Scouch took some time to get momentum, and even independent creators of shift-by-shift videos were tepid in their content this year.
Personally, I took some time before churning out articles by sheer virtue of wanting to have a better idea where the Kings were picking before writing a shit ton of articles while trying to watch some games. I also bought the CHL season pass, and by the time I had the energy to sit down and watch archived games, their calendar was set to "playoff mode" and I missed out on watching regular season games.
So yeah, for many reasons, this was an off year.
I'm honestly mostly disappointed in myself. I was talking to Hoven about how I wanted to do a series throughout the season where I watch a Kings prospect in a random game. For lack of a better word, I became "too invested" in the Kings at the NHL level that, among my other interests, hobbies, and responsibilities, I lost energy for following prospects at a degree I felt satisfied writing.
And I think the previously mentioned factors also contributed to that lack of energy.
I definitely hope there's more of an uptick next season.
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Ziggy Stardust
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Hutson is so small in stature, but still remains an intriguing prospect due to his skill set. Not sure if he goes in round one, but he could go early in day two.
Raccoon Jesus
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There are teams with plenty of 1sts and 2nds, I'm almost certain he goes in the 1st to one of them.
Arizona has like every other pick in the later half of the first round and start of the second. Why not take a shot?
Raccoon Jesus
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Here's a really fun one based on a model you have to be a least sort of familiar with:
Raccoon Jesus
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Took a couple more swings over lunch for fun
Los Angeles Kings
(19) Pavel Mintyukov, LD
(51) Maveric Lamoureux, RD
(85) Cole Knuble, RW
(115) Maxim Barbashev, LW
(147) Stephen Halliday, LW
(179) Marek Hejduk, LW
Did a few with Bob's list instead and it's a whole different world haha, Nazar and Mintyukov were consistently available, and Geekie and Gauthier were often available. Bob is also high on Nathan Gaucher, who i'd like in general but probably too 'safe' with little upside.
Los Angeles Kings
(19) Frank Nazar, C
(51) Gleb Trikozov, C
(85) Jagger Firkus, C
(115) Maxim Barbashev, LW
(147) Christian Kyrou, RD
(179) Pier-Olivier Roy, LD
Los Angeles Kings
(19) Cutter Gauthier, C
(51) Noah Warren, RD
(85) Adam Sykora, RW
(115) Maxim Barbashev, LW
(147) Christian Kyrou, RD
(179) Oasiz Wiesblatt, C
My round by round patterns/targets are also pretty apparent at this point eh
Woudl love to be a fly on the wall on draft day, it's just so interesting to me.
Los Angeles Kings
(19) Pavel Mintyukov, LD
(51) Maveric Lamoureux, RD
(85) Cole Knuble, RW
(115) Maxim Barbashev, LW
(147) Stephen Halliday, LW
(179) Marek Hejduk, LW
Did a few with Bob's list instead and it's a whole different world haha, Nazar and Mintyukov were consistently available, and Geekie and Gauthier were often available. Bob is also high on Nathan Gaucher, who i'd like in general but probably too 'safe' with little upside.
Los Angeles Kings
(19) Frank Nazar, C
(51) Gleb Trikozov, C
(85) Jagger Firkus, C
(115) Maxim Barbashev, LW
(147) Christian Kyrou, RD
(179) Pier-Olivier Roy, LD
Los Angeles Kings
(19) Cutter Gauthier, C
(51) Noah Warren, RD
(85) Adam Sykora, RW
(115) Maxim Barbashev, LW
(147) Christian Kyrou, RD
(179) Oasiz Wiesblatt, C
My round by round patterns/targets are also pretty apparent at this point eh
Woudl love to be a fly on the wall on draft day, it's just so interesting to me.
Did another myself and ended up with one that I gotta say, I'd be thrilled with if it were to happen like this. Dropped down to 27 and picked up the 43rd as well from ARI. I also have a few that I'd like to see targeted depending on any movement that takes place.
Raccoon Jesus
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Yeah I haven't fooled around much with trades but I'd definitely want to find a way to get one or two swings at the soft spot between the Kings' two existing picks. There's a LOT there I like that are swing-for-the-fences types.
I'm also really intrigued by Leinonen too
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I would be really happy if Kings will draft the following 5 players in this year draft (with possible trade ups):
Pavel Mintyukov, LD
Lian Bichsel, LD
Reid Schaefer, LW
Isaiah George, LD
Tyler Brennan, G
There's like a Top 5 I have for 19 and if they aren't there I'd like the Kings to drop a few notches to get two between 25-50 if they could. ARI makes the most sense with all the picks they have, but go for whatever.
The goalies seem to be all over the map in terms of rankings too so I'd just like them to get one in the 3rd or 4th. Seems like Leinonen is the "safest" of the picks with Dyck and Brennan being a little more of a risk right behind him. Of course, depends on which rankings you're looking at...
my old man gripe is when tweet reference a players twitter handle and not their name. Relevant here as I saw one the other day about a prospect, but had no clue who they were talking about.
Ziggy Stardust
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By July 1, should have a poll thread. Let's discuss parameters here? So it can have collaborative input for what could be the best possible in all it could be. That can have the Kings selection predicitons, possible trades?
Maybe have 3 selections, in order, per pick?
Like:
19 OA
1. Pickering
2. Ohgren
3. Traded
Would be too difficult to name the possible trade - for whom or what team. Points weighted for 1, 2 or 3 correct.
Thoughts?
Maybe have 3 selections, in order, per pick?
Like:
19 OA
1. Pickering
2. Ohgren
3. Traded
Would be too difficult to name the possible trade - for whom or what team. Points weighted for 1, 2 or 3 correct.
Thoughts?
BringTheReign
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It's interesting that there are four players that have the same birthday, March 30th, out of only 32 listed in total.
That model being NHLe, pioneered by the Kings' head of analytics Rob Vollman. But it's nothing terribly complicated and not advanced analytics, simply production at different levels measured against age.
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