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It's extremely unlikely that Logan Morrison would've been a substantial boost to the AHL team.
Maybe, maybe not. He is pushing 2 PPG this season with 79 Pts in 48GP.

Senyshyn had 9 Pts in 37GP.
Huutchison (now in Adirondack) has 9 Pts in 30GP.
Geertsen has 7 Pts in 39GP.
Talvitie has 7 Pts in (0 G) in 37GP.
Engaras has 2 Pts (0 G) in 18GP.

He was 20-yrs old at the start of the season, just like so many other kids just coming out of Jrs to start their pro careers. The way he's played this season I see no reason he couldn't have bested those guys in 39 Games. That's the most any of those guys has played. He would have been playing instead of Hutchison or Senyshyn who really were bad decisions for contracts.
If he keeps this up somebody will sign him for next season if nobody drafts him late. Nearly 2 PPG 20-yr old Jrs are worth a late draft pick or a if not, a quick signing when the JR season ends.
 

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Maybe, maybe not. He is pushing 2 PPG this season with 79 Pts in 48GP.

Senyshyn had 9 Pts in 37GP.
Huutchison (now in Adirondack) has 9 Pts in 30GP.
Geertsen has 7 Pts in 39GP.
Talvitie has 7 Pts in (0 G) in 37GP.
Engaras has 2 Pts (0 G) in 18GP.

He was 20-yrs old at the start of the season, just like so many other kids just coming out of Jrs to start their pro careers. The way he's played this season I see no reason he couldn't have bested those guys in 39 Games. That's the most any of those guys has played. He would have been playing instead of Hutchison or Senyshyn who really were bad decisions for contracts.
If he keeps this up somebody will sign him for next season if nobody drafts him late. Nearly 2 PPG 20-yr old Jrs are worth a late draft pick or a if not, a quick signing when the JR season ends.
I'm fairly confident he can't be drafted, he's UFA right now if what I read earlier was correct.
 

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Syracuse Crunch @ Utica Comets

Final score

Syracuse 8 Utica 5

SOG:
Crunch 11 11 15 = 37
Comets 6 6 7 = 19

PP
Crunch 3/3
Comets 0/2

Scoring:
Halonen (9) from Nemec (12) and Clarke (21)
Clarke (17) None
Gambardella (7) from Dugan (13) and Thompson (14)
Blujus (1) from Gambardella (18)
Gambardella (8) from Geertsen (3) and Thompson (15)

What can be said about this one?
Syracuse entered the game on a 5-game losing streak while Utica was 1-4.
Over the last 13 games Utica is now 3-9-0-1.
During that time Syracuse, Rochester, and Laval have been slowly closing the gap. Meanwhile the Marlies have leaped out to an 18 point lead over the Comets in 2nd. During all the Comets terrible play Syracuse still trails them by 2, Rochester and Laval have climbed within 4. Bottom feeders Cleveland are 6 back and Belleville
is 8 back. Nobody beneath the Marlies in the North race has made a move to pass the Comets during their woeful stretch over the past 13 games. However, the ineptitude of teams 2-5 has now let the bottom feeders back into the race.

Utica plays in Toronto on Monday (3/20) and in Cleveland Wednesday (3/22) and Friday (3/24) followed by a game in Belleville the following Wednesday (3/1). This would have looked like a chance for the Comets to pick up points on the 3-5 teams. Now the 6 and 7 teams have a chance to turn things into a nightmare for the Comets. That's if their current stretch hasn't already woken them up in the middle of the night screaming. If that's not enough Syracuse and Cleveland have 2 games in hand on the Comets. Rochester has 3! Either the Comets turn this spiral around fast or they will be hard pressed to get a spot in the playoffs at all.

When the Comets play offense, they suck defensively and give up the house.
When they play a really solid defensive game they can't score more than 2-3 goals and often it's only 1 or get shutout.

Last night the hemorrhoids that have hampered them all season were prevalent again:
#1 Late goals in a period
Syracuse scored the go ahead goal at the end of the first period 1:09 to go. Crunch 2 Comets 1
Syracuse scored the go ahead goal at the end of the 2nd period with 26 seconds to go. Crunch 4 Comets 3.

#2 That 2nd period goal is also another habit of surrendering a goal soon after scoring 1 of their own. That goal, came less than 3 minutes after they had tied it up at 3.
That's nothing compared to how they just crawled under a rock and died in this one in the 3rd. Blujus scored at 5:11 to tie it up once again. This time 4-4. Okay let's buckle down and get the winner.
NOPE!
at 6:28, 1:17 later they surrender goal #5.
2:35 later they surrender goal #6.
2:28 later surrender goal #7.
After evening the score 5 minutes into the 3rd, the Comets surrendered 3 goals in the next 6 minutes (and 3 seconds) to go down 7-4 and would be down 8-4 before scoring their 5th with 11 seconds to go.

#3 Can't kill penalties.
They are #30 of 32 teams in PK%. Last night Syracuse went 3/3 on the PP.
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#4 Crap PP
They are #26 in PP% and last night went 0/2. The only good thing is they didn't give up a shorty. They gave LAVAL 3 of them + 2 PPGs on 2/11. Then lost to Toronto 2-1 on a PPG on Wednesday, 2/15, while going 0/3 on their own PP chances.

Lucas Edmonds came into the game with 3 goals in 27 GP. He recorded a hattrick and now has 6 goals in 28 GP. Assume with only 27 games having been played that he is a depth player for the Crunch. Killer last night with the 1st Star.

#5 Odd man rushes.
They surrendered so many 2 on 1s last night I lost count, but at least 2 goals were the result.
There were also breakaways, 3 on 1's, 4 on 2's. It was a nightmare to watch.
The 3 Jabonies who stand behind the Comets bench have not fixed anything that has shown to be a flaw since the NJ franchise came to town last season. They were able to outscore the mistakes last season. Those same mistakes eventually bury them game after game this season in spite of decent goal keeping erasing a majority of those chances, but they can't stop them all and last night it was flood of those chances.

I don't know what Dineen has going for him that makes NJ believe he's a good coach, because I have seen nothing that would give me that opinion.

Oh well, the Marlies on Monday. By then either Syracuse has pulled even or the Amerks have caught the Crunch and both trail, the Comets for 2nd place by 2 points. Syracuse plays in Rochester this afternoon.

OH, it's Crunch 2 and the Amerks 1 with 3:42 to go in the 3rd.

Rochester has tied it with 2:53 to go. It's going to OT and the Crunch are on the PP. Both teams will inch closer to the Comets.

The plot thickens.
Syracuse wins 3-2 in OT and ties the Comets for 2nd and the Amerks are now 3 points back.
Cleveland also won this afternoon and are now tied with Laval. Both are only 4 points back.
4 points separate Utica, Syracuse, Rochester, Laval, and Cleveland. Belleville is now only 4 points out of the 5th playoff spot.

At this point the playoff slots for teams 2-5 are up for grabs. If you don't want to be involved in the 4/5 play-in spots you have to finish 1-3. You don't want your entire season decided on a best of 3 series. The next round is a best of 5 and that's bad enough let alone a best of 3.
 

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I'm fairly confident he can't be drafted, he's UFA right now if what I read earlier was correct.
Then that's all the better. Someone can grab him before the season is even over depending upon how long his team lasts in the playoffs.
 

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Maybe, maybe not. He is pushing 2 PPG this season with 79 Pts in 48GP.

Senyshyn had 9 Pts in 37GP.
Huutchison (now in Adirondack) has 9 Pts in 30GP.
Geertsen has 7 Pts in 39GP.
Talvitie has 7 Pts in (0 G) in 37GP.
Engaras has 2 Pts (0 G) in 18GP.

He was 20-yrs old at the start of the season, just like so many other kids just coming out of Jrs to start their pro careers. The way he's played this season I see no reason he couldn't have bested those guys in 39 Games. That's the most any of those guys has played. He would have been playing instead of Hutchison or Senyshyn who really were bad decisions for contracts.
If he keeps this up somebody will sign him for next season if nobody drafts him late. Nearly 2 PPG 20-yr old Jrs are worth a late draft pick or a if not, a quick signing when the JR season ends.

I never claimed that Morrison wouldn't be better than some random 4th liners from this year's team. I said he wouldn't make a substantial difference. He is no longer eligible for the draft and while there are plenty of late bloomers, the OHL is the best-scouted league in the world - teams don't make many mistakes there.

I expect Morrison to be a fine pro, but expecting a 20 year old, even one near the top of the scoring race in the O, to be a difference-maker in the AHL is a bit much.
 

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I never claimed that Morrison wouldn't be better than some random 4th liners from this year's team. I said he wouldn't make a substantial difference. He is no longer eligible for the draft and while there are plenty of late bloomers, the OHL is the best-scouted league in the world - teams don't make many mistakes there.

I expect Morrison to be a fine pro, but expecting a 20 year old, even one near the top of the scoring race in the O, to be a difference-maker in the AHL is a bit much.
Why do you insist on making things up? I never said he would be a difference maker and neither did the guy who started this conversation. I simply said he stood a chance to be better than the scrub they signed for the Comets depth, a la Hutchison and Senyshyn. If he was able to do that as a 20-yr old undrafted kid, it would have been a much bettter deal. Maybe he would have shown some actual promise and got himself another contract and who knows from there. We knew where Hutchison and Senyshyn were in their careers before they were signed------NOWHERE and they have proven it.
 
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The team lacks a centers. Ok, we f***ing get it.
Come on? I have been straight with you since the preseason and I am on record here multiple times being point blank honest at my disbelief that a team of AHL pros cannot pass the puck worth shjit. The "top prospects" down here are included in that disbelief.

Starting on the backend:
Walsh continually mispasses in his breakout attempts and often turns the puck over in all 3 zones. He hasn't scored a goal since 12/30 (that's 25 games) and he has a total of 3 on the year. He had promise as an NHL PP QB?
Vukojevic is a terrible passer. 1 assist in 37GP.
OK has had his problems when down here. His d-zone turnovers are not as blatant, but too numerous for a guy who wants to play in NJ..
Nemec is the only consistent NJ prospect D-man passing the puck.

Up front Thompson is playing desperate hockey and the harder he tries the worse it works out for him. He has only scored 1 goal since 12/20 giving him 7 on the season. He mishandles more pucks than the law allows. He even lost control of the puck on a shootout attempt. He was centering for quite a while early on and his passing was so bad along with the rest of the line that the line was anemic. They moved him back to the wing. He has started picking up some assists lately by being the guy with the short pass that starts a 3-man play that scores. Thus, he is picking up secondary assists. His biggest problem shooting is missing the net with regularity and secondly mishandling the passes to him.

Clarke is a very clever player with a good shot. Clever in that he stays out of trouble and most of his goals come off shots in open space and often off the rush. He dishes it off if the shot isn't there which has earned him a bunch of assists. People in NJ think he se just might be a goal scorer in the NHL. He is not a better player than Holtz and no more physical. His defensive end play won't win any awards. He doesn't kill penalties.
If Alex can't get ice time, I don't see Clarke making the squad either.

Last night Holtz, after not playing in NJ for quite some time and never with any mutple games in a row with decent ice time, hit the ice passing the puck tape to tape in all 3 zones, finding open ice on every shift in futile attempts to get the same kind of passes he was making. If the other "prospects" passed the puck like that this team wouldn't be struggling night after night.

Foote has 16 goals because he can shoot the puck when he finally gets the chance to shoot it. His puck carrying skills and ability to stick handle past any opponent is far short of waht he needs in order to be a power forward. His passing is suspect to say the least.16 goals with only 5 assists in 39GP backs that up. He is always teamed up with 2 of the "better" players (usually 2 of Thompson, Johnsson, Clarke, Pinho to give him a chance to put up points. However 13 of those goals cmae in the first 29 games. The Comets have played 49. Passing is not his forte in any stretch of the imagination. His physicality has not been an asset either.

They have worked for 49 games to find a way to put the "prospects together on 2 lines to get maximum scoring options and it has not worked yet. Clarke has done the majority of his scoring with 2 bottom 6 AHL lifer centers (Stevens and Schmelzer) and Gambardella.
Stevens is #2 in scoring and hasn't played in the last 6 games.
Schmelzer is second in assists with 20 to Clarke's team leading 21.
Gambardella has climbed into 3rd in scoring and is closing in on the assist lead with 18 of his own.

I hate to put it any other way, but that's it for NJ prospects here. Including Clarke and Foote there are no Comets setting the AHL on fire. The AHL's #1 in points is ex-Comet Michael Carcone with 64. Clarke sits at 45th. Number 1 in goals at 26 is Matthew Phillips with 26. Carcone has 24. Clarke checks in at #35 with his 17 and Foote is listed at #58 with his 16.

It's no secret that enters would be a tremendous uptick to this roster, but guys with the kind of potential you would think these guys are supposed to have should be able to work together to make some things happen and it just hasn't clicked in 49 games.
Joe Gambardella had a stretch early on when he missed 9 games with a "medical problem" and when he came back only picked up 2 points in his next 8 games. That's 17 games. Once he got his conditioning and whatever the medical problem was under control, he has been the most consistent point getter for the Comets. He had 3 points in his first 19 starts. The last 20 games has seen him record 23 points. He is the hardest working forward in all 3 zones. Sets his opposite line mate up more often than whoever is centering them and has set the centers up as well. Clarke started his point run when paired up with Gamby. No other Comet forward shines game in and game out like him. He is the most noticeable guy on the ice in a Comets jersey.
He has managed to surpass or tie every other forward on the team in goals besides Clarke and Stevens, whom he has fed many of their goals and Foote.

The issue holding him back from the next level is his skating. He just isn't very fast.

There is a lot more wrong with this team than missing centers. I start with the coaching staff who have made not one adjustment in any part of the Comets game in 2 seasons.
- The PP.
- The PK.
- Horrendous passing.
- Poor shooting accuracy (hitting the f**king net to start).
- Poor positioning defensively.
- Lack of aggressive play vs puck possessors in their own zone.
- Weak forechecking. Lack of body play along the boards
- Lack of physicality on the forecheck and checking in their own zone. It's all stick checking, waving at the puck carrier as he passes them by, big turns vs stopping and starting when playing defensively.
- Lazy backchecking.
- Puck watching (consistently) instead of looking for and picking up men in their defensive end.
- Leaving opponents in their crease area, off the sides of the net, and in the slot unattended.
- NEVER challenging point men who absolutely kill them in setting up as well as scoring goals.

There's more, but I'll stop there. Like I said you'd have to put a lot of this on the coaching. They have eyes and have to see what everyone else in that building sees. They get paid to see it and paid to fix it. That's the biggest part of player development. Fixing what's wrong in a players game.
 
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Why do you insist on making things up? I never said he would be a difference maker and neither did the guy who started this conversation. I simply said he stood a chance to be better than the scrub they signed for the Comets depth, a la Hutchison and Senyshyn. If he was able to do that as a 20-yr old undrafted kid, it would have been a much bettter deal. Maybe he would have shown some actual promise and got himself another contract and who knows from there. We knew where Hutchison and Senyshyn were in their careers before they were signed------NOWHERE and they have proven it.

I'm not 'making anything up' - I said he wouldn't be a difference maker, and you came back with a list of players he'd likely be better than. Unless you say explicity 'Well okay, fair point, but here's some guys who he'd be better than', I have to assume you're disagreeing with my assertion. And you actually ARE disagreeing because you're claiming it's a 'much better deal'.

And fwiw the guy who started this conversation claimed a while back that Morrison would be Utica's top line center.
 

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I mean, it would have pretty cool if we signed Logan Morrison, I don’t see that much of a downside there.

I also don’t know if he would helped Utica that much this season though. That hypothetical doesn’t really matter either.
 

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I'm not 'making anything up' - I said he wouldn't be a difference maker, and you came back with a list of players he'd likely be better than. Unless you say explicity 'Well okay, fair point, but here's some guys who he'd be better than', I have to assume you're disagreeing with my assertion. And you actually ARE disagreeing because you're claiming it's a 'much better deal'.

And fwiw the guy who started this conversation claimed a while back that Morrison would be Utica's top line center.

I do remember the "top line center" remark. LOL

In response, I never said I expected him to be a difference maker. I simply said he "maybe" would have been a better choice to sign than the dregs NJ brought in as he had some unseen promise, whereas those dolts were done before they got here.

My main point was that a trade that sees you get nothing in return is not a good trade. If you do it to dump a waste product, okay. Your stand. However, if you don't have players on hand that are at least as good as that guy, simply shit-canning him does your team damage.

Zach WAS a VETERAN. Your term. He knew how to play. He could contribute to a shift. The guy played 37 games of the Comets 48 while he was here. He only amassed 9 points, but he was only on the ice for 11 goals against. That says he was able to keep his head above water. The replacements the Comets have for him are not even at a level of talent comparable to him. They don't belong in this league on their best day. The Comets are not a collection of highly talented players and getting rid of a poor swimmer when all you have to replace him is a drowning non swimmer is not smart.

I'll leave it at that. We don't need to go round and round over this issue. There are more important things to deal with in Utica than losing Senyshyn.
e.g. those listed in post #836.

Knowing you got rid of better for worse is not a good deal. There may be a rationalization for it, but it hurts more than it helps.
 

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Utica Comets @ Toronto Marlies

Forwards:
15 Gambardella/ 26 Schmelzer/ 92 Clarke
11 Johnsson/ 25 Foote/ 9 Holtz
24 Halonen/ 16 Engaras/ 12 Thompson
79 Laberge/ 77 Talvitie/ 10 Dugan

D-Pairs:
23 Wotherspoon/ 7 Nemec
5 Russo/ 22 Walsh
55 Geertsen/ 8 Blujus

Goal - 50 Daws

Scxratches:
Schmid (BU)
Pinho (I)
Stevens (I)
Okhotyuk (I)
Groleau (I)
Vukojevic (I)
 

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Holtz shoots wide.

Walsh shot pad stop.

TO shot wide on an open shot off to Daws right.

Dugan a shot, dropped, but covered.
(Petruzzelli is the TO keeper. I will refer to him as Pet.)

Holtz a slap pass to the far blueline right on the stick of Foote and ........... He hits the POST!

Coming back Daws a stop and out of play.

Halonen a shot off the right side stopped.

Toronto scores on a shot that hit Daws, but it bounced over Daws and trickled in. A shit goal. They check it and it's a goal. Boy that was close.
 

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Comets still having trouble controling pucks on their sticks.

TO stopped by an incredible stop by Daws.

Johnsson laying down on the ice to block a shot.

Toronto making the best of their chances requiring really good stops. The Comets just put the puck on the keeper. No need to move on the shots.

TV TO
11:58 to go
 

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Comets on the PP after the TO ends.

Clarke S-------C-------O--------R--------E----------S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Walsh was struggling mightily to bring the puck into the zone vs 3 marlies and he managed to slide it to Clarke who was skating with him. Clarke went to the net and shot off the circle and scored 5-hole.

1-1
 

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TV TO
8:55 left

Daws a 6-hole stop and a whistle.

Foote takes a shot and it hits Holtz and goes out of play. Hit him in his side and he's hurting.

Nenmec doesn't see what's happening as the Marlies are skating it up the ice and a playuer goes past him gets the pass and Daws has to make a big sop while Simone tried to catch up unsuccessfully.

Comets on a PP but it hasn't been productive. It's over.
 

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Talvitie's line being owned. They get off on a long clear.

TO a great chance, but the pass bounces over the stick in the open slot.

Last minute of the period. A Comets nightmare.

They take a TV TO with :33 left in the period. LOL
They scrape the ice with like 10 shovelers skating lengths. 33 seconds will be played and then they will resurface fore the 2nd period. That was just sheer nonsense.

Shot stopped by Daws another blocked by Russo. The Comets escape the final minute, but not without difficulty.

End of the 1st
1-1

SOG
13-11 Toronto
 

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Talvitie's line being owned. They get off on a long clear.

TO a great chance, but the pass bounces over the stick in the open slot.

Last minute of the period. A Comets nightmare.

They take a TV TO with :33 left in the period. LOL
They scrape the ice with like 10 shovelers skating lengths. 33 seconds will be played and then they will resurface fore the 2nd period. That was just sheer nonsense.

Shot stopped by Daws another blocked by Russo. The Comets escape the final minute, but not without difficulty.

End of the 1st
1-1

SOG
13-11 Toronto
As always thanks for sharing this with us. Much appreciated.
 

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2nd is under way.

Comet 1st shift forces 3 passes all of which don't connect.

Big stop by Daws, but gives up a big rebound whiffed by a Marlie all alone in the slot. Luck on that one.

Off the draw a 1-timer tipped wide. Daws hit in the mask. Play moves on and it's been all Toronto. Comets ineptitude in the circle kills them. Face offs do F**king MATTER! Especially when you almost never win one.
 

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Geertsen a shot on and the rebound can't be handled. Foote off the right circle fires off the fly and it's gloved for a whistle.

Wotherspoon 2 for tripping.Toronto to the PP. #1 PP in the AHL.Comets 2 on 1 shorthanded, Schmelzer stopped.

Pass to the point and the point man can't keep it in.

Lose the draw, it;s passed around and the eventual shot is gloved and held. 1 minute gone.

Off sides another whistle.

Comets chip it out.

Marlie shot off the rush hits the post. The play we see from Daws that bothers me to no end. He sees the shooter, can line up, doesn't. Sits kneeling as the shot is taken and doesn't move. It hits the post or it would have been in with no effort to stop it by Nico. This is a way he gives up goals all season and it started late last season and killed him in the playoffs. This has ti be addressed. Again where the F**k is the coaching staff on this team They fix nothing.

TV TO 10:40 to go.


Holtz is missing from the bench. Shaya doesn't have a clue as to why. Apparently he didn't see Holttz take the Foote shot off his side. I said he was hurting.
 

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Talvitie line applies some pressure.

Good save by Daws.

Comets all over the Toronto end, but cannot muster a single shot. Another common pattern. All kinds of battle for the puck, but never get control and get a good scoring chance.

Walsh in and his centering pass is blocked and Walsh is on the end boards. Toronto heads it up ice and Daws has to make a good stop. Control by the Marlies. Such a difference in the skill levels allowing the Marlies to always get clear ice, complete passes, and get shots while the Comets just fight themselves like hell just to get the puck.

TV TO

Comets to the PK for shooting the puck over the glass.

TO pressuring big time. Save and the puck lies beside him while laying feet first into the rink. Finds it and a whistle. Lose the draw and it ends up at the point and a rocket off the post and in from the point.

PP Goal
2-1

Toronto going back in and the Comets give up the puck on the side boards all crowded around. A pass goes cross ice to a wide open Marlie speeding to the net and he bombs it home for another goal.

3-1

2 goals :34 seconds apart.

IMO that's game.
I'll hang in there for now.

Breakaway and the Marlie loses control and it rolls to Daws who sends it to the corner.

2:04 left in the second.

Those 2 were not exactly in the final minutes of a period, but close enough. They are now starting to give up goals in quick succession turning close games into deficits they have to climb over and they are not likely to do it. Their scoring ineptitude usually means 3 goals against is a loss.

Shots are getting out of hand now 32-21 Toronto. 40 shots at least looks likely.

2nd period comes to an end and it's 3-1 Toronto.

SOG :
19-10 Toronto

2-period total:
32-21 Toronto
 
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