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3rd period is underway.

Lose the draw.
offsides Belleville

Offensive faceoff.
Lose the draw. offsides Belleville

Lost draw
shot in. Out of play.

Tie draw fought for and Utica comes away and gets it up the ice.

Back down and Vukojevic turns it over with open ice available.
 
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Icing by Belleville.

Faceoff
Won. Russo point shot wide
Net's off.

Faceoff
Lost the draw
Eventual board battle and Comets gain control. Sens regain and shoot it in.

Hand pass Utica.
Faceoff outside Belleville blueline
Sens win the draw and bring it down and Daws makes the stop. Whistle.

Utica gets in and Senyshyn shot is saved. Whistle.
Faceoff lost.
Neutral zone play with up and back by both sides.

Extremely stupid hit in neurtral zone by Russo 2 minutes for boarding.

Faxceoff.
Lost Daws stop

Comets get a shortie attempt. Stopped

Daws another stop and Comets clear. 40th Shot against!

Belleville shoots it out themselves on a missed net.

5 on 5 > Good kill!
 
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Foote and Pinho behind the net kept pushing it back and forth trying to beat one defender. The defender won out and got it up and his man skated it out.

Comets to the PP with 7:08 to go.

TV TO
 

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No PP it's 4 on 4.

Faceooff
Lost and Belleville comes down and shot out of play

Face off
Lost and Sens bring it out to reset. Belleville is in. Turn it over.

Slow movement by Comets and shoot iT in.

Sens back in and Daws a stop, out of play.

TV TO 5:59 to go.
 
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Faceoff
Won
Comets 2 on 1 and get nothing out of it.

Sens empty net with 5+ to go.

Comets Ice it 4:59 to go.

Faceooff
Lost
Comets regain and get it out.

Daws tries a shot for the empty net. LOL, stopped at center ice.

Comets shoot it out and Belleville called for hitting it with a high stick.

Keeper back in.

Final TV TO
3:50 t0 go.
 
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Faceoff
Lost and Belleville is back in, but Comets clear it back out. Schmelzer had an open net and passed it to Gambardella, who was interfered with and no shot. Dumb unselfish pass by goalless Schmelzer. Easy cance for his 1st of the season to go with his 9 assists. Oh, well.

TO Belleville

Faceoff
Lost and Belleville pressures. Missed shot.

Puck out.

Halonen gathers the puck on the left side and hits the empty net. That will do it.

7-3 Comets
 
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Comets win it 7-3
Scoring:
Utica - 4 1 2 = 7
Sens - 1 2 0 = 3

SOG:
Utica - 14 6 9 = 29
Sens - 21 16 9 = 46

PP:
Utica - 1/1
Sens - 1/2

3 Stars:
#1 - Nico Daws (Utica Comets) 43/46 - There was no question about this selection!
#2 - Tyler Wotherspoon (Utica Comets) 1G/2A
#3 - Simon Nemec (Utica Comets) 1G/1A

Senyshyn (3) from Stevens (5) and Dugan (6)- (PPG)
Clarke (4) from Wotherspoon (2) and Schmelzer (9)
Wotherspoon (2) from Dugan (7) and Nemec (5)
Nemec (2) from Thonmpson (5) and Pinho (5)
Gambardella (1) from Pinho (6) and Thompson (6)
Stevens (3) unassisted
Bryan Halonen (4) from Wotherspoon (3) - (Empty net goal)
 

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Dude's a plus hog.
Nemec's +6 leads the team. His partner Wotherspoon is +4. The Spoon was cheated out of pluses that Simone picked up while he spent 3 games in the NJ press box eating popcorn, LOL. It's where he should be on a regular basis if Bahl is not going to play.

Simone's numbers are a little deceiiving. Of the 9 D-men to chart minutes, Simone has been on the ice for more goals against, 19, than any other Comet. However, Russo and Wotherspoon are right at his heels with 18. This counts all situations and these 3 are the main D penalty killers and with Utica's not so good PK numbers it makes sense. The forwards used up to this point are not exemplary killers. Gauthier and Greer they are not. Those 2 were as much of a threat to score as the 5 they were trying to prevent.
 

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I know Utica looks destined to be more of a middling team this season with the center depth, but with Muk, Hughes, Nemec, and Vilen all likely to be in the system next year, I really hope the team puts a focus into solidifying the center group.

Devils center draft picks of late have been huge swings and misses. Either NHL talent or bust so nothing that the AHL team can look forward to from a top-six perspective.

The defense + goaltending going into next year has the potential to be a real strength. It’s likely Hughes and Bahl are on the NHL team and Walsh ends up somewhere in the NHL due to waiver status.
 

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I know Utica looks destined to be more of a middling team this season with the center depth, but with Muk, Hughes, Nemec, and Vilen all likely to be in the system next year, I really hope the team puts a focus into solidifying the center group.

Devils center draft picks of late have been huge swings and misses. Either NHL talent or bust so nothing that the AHL team can look forward to from a top-six perspective.

The defense + goaltending going into next year has the potential to be a real strength. It’s likely Hughes and Bahl are on the NHL team and Walsh ends up somewhere in the NHL due to waiver status.

No bonus points for "The defense + goaltending going into next year has the potential to be a real strength". That was known to be the case going into this season. So, the prospects like Thompson, Foote, Clkarke were supposed to pound salt? It's like I said previously, I don't think Fitz is counting on those 3 to fill NHL spots. His D was designed to help Schmid and Daws keep climbing on the way to reaching their true potential. The forwards were left to fend for themselves and that has not gone well.

The Comets are currently number 8 in goals against at 56, 7 goals behind the league leader Coachella Valley.
They are # 30 inn goals for with 53, 30, goals behind league leader Calgary with 83.

Drafting centers likely won't help next year's Comets for another year or 2. If he is going to get centers they will be in the fa market of proven AHL players not able to crack an NHL lineup, college guys who recently had great seasons after having gone undrafted, undrafted Europeans both veteran and young player both having gone undrafted, AHL vets, recent NHL cuts, players waived at the last cuts who end up going through again when NJ waives them to send them down. That could have just as easily been done this year as it was in 2021-22 and can be done again in 2023-224. There was no excuse for not doing it in 2022-23. They literally didn't acquire a single one Knowing the only ones here were very competent #3 in Schmelzer (team Captain) and borderline #4 Talvitie. They knew Pinho and Thompson were a RWs. Neither has come close to shining as a center and Thompson has already been moved to the RW. Foote/Pinho/Thompson has become Dineen's top line and they just aren't doing it since Pinho is just not any kind of playmaker and neither of the other 2 can do it from the wing.

- Foote (6 goals) 3 with Pinho as his center and only one of those with the Foote/Pinho/Thompson line.

- Thompson (3 goals) None with Pinho or Foote on his line.

- Pinho (8 goals) 3 assists from Foote while on his line, but one was with Pinho on RW and Schmelzer at center. Thompson was not on the line for any of them

The line has been together for the last 7 games (Games 13-19) and scored 1 goal by Foote in game 16.
In fact Pinho neeted a PP goal in game 13 and that with the single goal from Foote is the total number of goals scored by those 3 in any situation period in those 7 games and Thompson hasn't scored since game 12 and that goal was his only one since game 6. That's 1 goal in 13 games for those of you counting.

Clarke has scored 3 of his 4 goals and added 2 assists in the last 6 games. Gambardella has energized Clarke.
 

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No bonus points for "The defense + goaltending going into next year has the potential to be a real strength". That was known to be the case going into this season. So, the prospects like Thompson, Foote, Clkarke were supposed to pound salt? It's like I said previously, I don't think Fitz is counting on those 3 to fill NHL spots. His D was designed to help Schmid and Daws keep climbing on the way to reaching their true potential. The forwards were left to fend for themselves and that has not gone well.

The Comets are currently number 8 in goals against at 56, 7 goals behind the league leader Coachella Valley.
They are # 30 inn goals for with 53, 30, goals behind league leader Calgary with 83.

Drafting centers likely won't help next year's Comets for another year or 2. If he is going to get centers they will be in the fa market of proven AHL players not able to crack an NHL lineup, college guys who recently had great seasons after having gone undrafted, undrafted Europeans both veteran and young player both having gone undrafted, AHL vets, recent NHL cuts, players waived at the last cuts who end up going through again when NJ waives them to send them down. That could have just as easily been done this year as it was in 2021-22 and can be done again in 2023-224. There was no excuse for not doing it in 2022-23. They literally didn't acquire a single one Knowing the only ones here were very competent #3 in Schmelzer (team Captain) and borderline #4 Talvitie. They knew Pinho and Thompson were a RWs. Neither has come close to shining as a center and Thompson has already been moved to the RW. Foote/Pinho/Thompson has become Dineen's top line and they just aren't doing it since Pinho is just not any kind of playmaker and neither of the other 2 can do it from the wing.

- Foote (6 goals) 3 with Pinho as his center and only one of those with the Foote/Pinho/Thompson line.

- Thompson (3 goals) None with Pinho or Foote on his line.

- Pinho (8 goals) 3 assists from Foote while on his line, but one was with Pinho on RW and Schmelzer at center. Thompson was not on the line for any of them

The line has been together for the last 7 games (Games 13-19) and scored 1 goal by Foote in game 16.
In fact Pinho neeted a PP goal in game 13 and that with the single goal from Foote is the total number of goals scored by those 3 in any situation period in those 7 games and Thompson hasn't scored since game 12 and that goal was his only one since game 6. That's 1 goal in 13 games for those of you counting.

Clarke has scored 3 of his 4 goals and added 2 assists in the last 6 games. Gambardella has energized Clarke.
I fully agree with you here. I’m saying the goaltending and defense is likely to be even stronger next year. There are also no forward prospects to speak of that are turning pro that’ll boost the offense for Utica, someone like Pytlik in theory should’ve been a 2C for Utica, but his development has gone poorly.

The lack of depth up front is clearly a weakness this year, especially at center. I think to date Fitzgerald’s management has been very cognizant and realistic about where the organization is at and taking steps to address weaknesses. I have to imagine they tried to address the center group (although Geertsen as a vet is a mind-boggling decision that limits options).

Devils management would be smart to sign some quality centers for the AHL team. In all seriousness though, if I’m a budding AHL center or a top NCAA prospect out of college looking for a break, I’m looking at Hughes/Hischier/Mercer/Boqvist/McLeod and a couple wingers who can play C on the NHL team and realizing there’s close to zero chance for me to make it. I’d have to think that limits options considerably too.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Walsh for C trade at some point in January/February once Nemec settles back in from WJC. Especially knowing you might have Muk, Hughes, and Vilen joining the organization at the end of year as all are (or will be) on ELCs.
 

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I fully agree with you here. I’m saying the goaltending and defense is likely to be even stronger next year. There are also no forward prospects to speak of that are turning pro that’ll boost the offense for Utica, someone like Pytlik in theory should’ve been a 2C for Utica, but his development has gone poorly.

The lack of depth up front is clearly a weakness this year, especially at center. I think to date Fitzgerald’s management has been very cognizant and realistic about where the organization is at and taking steps to address weaknesses. I have to imagine they tried to address the center group (although Geertsen as a vet is a mind-boggling decision that limits options).

Devils management would be smart to sign some quality centers for the AHL team. In all seriousness though, if I’m a budding AHL center or a top NCAA prospect out of college looking for a break, I’m looking at Hughes/Hischier/Mercer/Boqvist/McLeod and a couple wingers who can play C on the NHL team and realizing there’s close to zero chance for me to make it. I’d have to think that limits options considerably too.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Walsh for C trade at some point in January/February once Nemec settles back in from WJC. Especially knowing you might have Muk, Hughes, and Vilen joining the organization at the end of year as all are (or will be) on ELCs.
Good teams attract FAs and a guy signing wouldn’t be doing it to make the team immediately.

Plus McLeod’s not a long term deal and his future is a bit cloudy.
 

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Good teams attract FAs and a guy signing wouldn’t be doing it to make the team immediately.

Plus McLeod’s not a long term deal and his future is a bit cloudy.
It’s a tricky balance though between veteran status, NHL options, playing time, and how much the NHL team is willing to pay players on the AHL teams.

Toronto has started giving some AHL players one-way deals. Other teams are exceeding 350k on AHL salaries. Devils are doing that now with Johnsson, but I can’t see that being a habit they want to continue.

If you’re trying to cut costs a bit on the AHL team, your avenues are generally trying to find young productive NCAA talent. Guys like that are going to want to see a path to the NHL that was definitely crowded this season.

Any of your proven AHL options generally want to be paid well or else they can find good money in Europe like what Gauthier just did. So you have to be willing to match/outbid other teams AND guys have to want to come to Utica. No diss on Utica, but with teams in bigger cities, California, etc., it gets tougher to bring in players.

Edit: To add to this, the best way to maintain AHL success is to draft and develop your own players. Devils have placed more of an emphasis on D the last few years to hopefully supplement the young forwards long-term. The forwards they did have either jumped straight to the NHL or flamed out development-wise. There’s a bit of a gap right now the Devils haven’t been able to fill since the recent forwards have graduated.
 
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I fully agree with you here. I’m saying the goaltending and defense is likely to be even stronger next year. There are also no forward prospects to speak of that are turning pro that’ll boost the offense for Utica, someone like Pytlik in theory should’ve been a 2C for Utica, but his development has gone poorly.

The lack of depth up front is clearly a weakness this year, especially at center. I think to date Fitzgerald’s management has been very cognizant and realistic about where the organization is at and taking steps to address weaknesses. I have to imagine they tried to address the center group (although Geertsen as a vet is a mind-boggling decision that limits options).

Devils management would be smart to sign some quality centers for the AHL team. In all seriousness though, if I’m a budding AHL center or a top NCAA prospect out of college looking for a break, I’m looking at Hughes/Hischier/Mercer/Boqvist/McLeod and a couple wingers who can play C on the NHL team and realizing there’s close to zero chance for me to make it. I’d have to think that limits options considerably too.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Walsh for C trade at some point in January/February once Nemec settles back in from WJC. Especially knowing you might have Muk, Hughes, and Vilen joining the organization at the end of year as all are (or will be) on ELCs.
I think the organization could be very near a changeover in the defensive prospects for next season. If they bring in McCarthy and Hughes and Mukhamadullin and Vilen that's a bunch of guys that need time. Maybe Hughes never sees a game in the AHL but my guess is that the other three do. I'm not sure about Edwards but he's on the horizon as well. Okhotiyuk, Bahl, and Walsh, are all potentially moveable for a similarly situated center prospect.
 

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Between the players currently signed through next year and the handful of drafted forwards on the Devils' reserve list it seems like the Utica roster will have quite a few new faces; particularly Chase DeLeo/Brian Pinho-type AHL veterans
 

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Between the players currently signed through next year and the handful of drafted forwards on the Devils' reserve list it seems like the Utica roster will have quite a few new faces; particularly Chase DeLeo/Brian Pinho-type AHL veterans
I would hope they get rid of Geertsen and instead focus on that type of AHL center.

I do wonder though if the Devils anticipated waiving Johnsson and maybe accounted for his salary being on the AHL team. That would make them less likely to add expensive vets as they would be in a normal year, especially if they’re operating on somewhat of a budget.
 

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I'm surprised the Devils didn't focus on adding some more veteran forwards (particularly centers) to Utica this season. I know it's a developmental league, but you'd have to think that building a culture of winning and getting these guys AHL playoff experience (and thus, even more games) certainly has value as well. Hopefully they address it for next season. Also seems we have an awesome fanbase in Utica and I want to give them a good team.
 

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it sounds like two top six AHL centers might add an extra million dollars to the team's budget. Coming off the Covid seasons that's nothing to dismiss, especially if the team had an inkling that the NHL contract situation might force a one way contract to be waived to Utica. Hopefully with a normal season the budget will allow for two legit veteran centers for next season. I just don't see any center prospects right now in the NJ pool that could fill those spots next season. If it was my decision I'm moving at least one of the defense candidates for a center prospect.
 

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it sounds like two top six AHL centers might add an extra million dollars to the team's budget. Coming off the Covid seasons that's nothing to dismiss, especially if the team had an inkling that the NHL contract situation might force a one way contract to be waived to Utica. Hopefully with a normal season the budget will allow for two legit veteran centers for next season. I just don't see any center prospects right now in the NJ pool that could fill those spots next season. If it was my decision I'm moving at least one of the defense candidates for a center prospect.
Not going to say better late than never. AHL trades always happen and the Devls could orchestrate such deals themselves this season. The prospects they do have here are starving for competent centers to go along with Schmelzer, who is more than competent as a #3 and a slip at #2 now and then, but his lack of speed hinders his game above the #3 level.

I'm surprised the Devils didn't focus on adding some more veteran forwards (particularly centers) to Utica this season. I know it's a developmental league, but you'd have to think that building a culture of winning and getting these guys AHL playoff experience (and thus, even more games) certainly has value as well. Hopefully they address it for next season. Also seems we have an awesome fanbase in Utica and I want to give them a good team.
Thanks for the fanbase kudos. You are spot on.
 
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