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Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

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Well, there it goes. Seattle got a good player for free, I just don't know how he fits since they actually have some depth. Tolvanen would have been perfect to at least try on this Sharks roster, but oh well!

Edit: I understand Tolvanen is not a world beater but I feel he could have made a Barabanov like rise to his value scoring more goals (like Barbie did with assists)
 
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mogambomoroo said:
Well, there it goes. Seattle got a good player for free, I just don't know how he fits since they actually have some depth. Tolvanen would have been perfect to at least try on this Sharks roster, but oh well!

Edit: I understand Tolvanen is not a world beater but I feel he could have made a Barabanov like rise to his value scoring more goals (like Barbie did with assists)
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Good is a stretch. Promising is maybe a word. He was always going to be a long shot.
 
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Tolvanen is a fourth liner making twice what a player like that should through 2024. I’m stunned anyone claimed him but it does make sense it was Seattle since they have the cleanest cap sheet in the league and can afford to waste some of it.
 
Hodge said:
Tolvanen is a fourth liner making twice what a player like that should through 2024. I’m stunned anyone claimed him but it does make sense it was Seattle since they have the cleanest cap sheet in the league and can afford to waste some of it.
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Tolvanen had Kunin-like numbers the past two years, making half the money Kunin is now
 
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Kcoyote3 said:
You can also bury almost all of Tolvanen or waive him again if he sucks. There's no risk and only reward if he turns into something and he's an RFA at the end of it.
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You’re hit with a 325k cap penalty if you bury Tolvanen plus your owner is still signing checks for the full 1.45 million dollars. That risk is not worth the upside of having a small fourth line winger who can maybe get you a few power play goals on the second unit. The guy is almost 24 years old and extremely unlikely to improve on what he currently is.

Based on him making it to Seattle and the cap/LTIR situation of the few teams above them in the waiver order I wouldn’t be surprised if the Kraken were the only team to make a claim. Maybe Winnipeg did too. The other 30 teams aren’t idiots. As usual fans overrate the hell out of these hyped prospects years after their draft position or World Junior performance is no longer relevant.
 
Hodge said:
Kunin can fight and is one of the most physical forwards in the league. You might not value that but NHL teams certainly do.
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Yes because most NHL GMs are stuck in the 90s still. It's why a guy like Ben Chiarot got what he did last year.

Seattle is a team that's made the most of market inefficiencies and potential, just like Vegas did in their beginnings, and now they're one of the best teams in the Pacific.
 
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Kcoyote3 said:
You can also bury almost all of Tolvanen or waive him again if he sucks. There's no risk and only reward if he turns into something and he's an RFA at the end of it.
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I mean I fully agree 100%. Feels like a buy low potential bounce back. This is why that Benning, Nutivaara, Lindblom, Kunin signings etc were bad. No Tolvanen would not suddenly turn this team into a contender or a playoff team or even necessarily improve this team. This is a young guy who was drafted in the first round. We couldn’t claim him because we didn’t have the cap space because we spent about 7.5M this off-season on shit.
 
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Pavelski2112 said:
Yes because most NHL GMs are stuck in the 90s still. It's why a guy like Ben Chiarot got what he did last year.

Seattle is a team that's made the most of market inefficiencies and potential, just like Vegas did in their beginnings, and now they're one of the best teams in the Pacific.
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Players who can skate a regular shift while providing physicality are arguably more valuable now than they were in the 90s because there are so few of them remaining. The clueless dinosaur GM trope is played out now that Tallon, Benning, Chiarelli, Fenton and Wilson are out of the league. There are still some dunces like Holland and Fletcher kicking around but for the most part NHL front offices know what they are doing. They certainly know more than the fans.

Seattle hasn’t exploited market inefficiencies at all. If anything they’re a testament to the advantage of having zero bad contracts on your cap sheet in a flat cap era. There’s no one on their roster you can point as being particularly underpaid or some William Karlsson or Shea Theodore type find. They just don’t have any albatross contracts which allowed them to load up on a bunch of middle six/pairing guys signed to market value deals.
 
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The Oilers and Sharks have each done their diligence on a potential Erik Karlsson trade, but a big hurdle remains before those talks can get anywhere close to serious: Is San Jose willing to eat a significant portion of his $11.5-million cap hit?
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themelkman said:
And of course the answer is yes but you better be giving us a future game changer for it
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No the answer is yes and you hang up laughing that Ken Holland is senile enough to take 75% of that horrendous contract off your hands without demanding draft picks.
 
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No the answer is yes and you hang up laughing that Ken Holland is senile enough to take 75% of that horrendous contract off your hands without demanding draft picks.
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Okay then why hasnt Grier done it then? You said the NHL gms are smart and if thats the smartest move shouldn't it be done?
 
themelkman said:
Okay then why hasnt Grier done it then? You said the NHL gms are smart and if thats the smartest move shouldn't it be done?
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Maybe because it would be one of the most complex trades in NHL history and is going to take longer than a few weeks to put together? But yes if Karlsson is willing to waive his NMC to live in Edmonton then Grier should be willing to retain 25-30% and take back nothing but pure cap dumps.
 
I think this COULD work:

Erik Karlsson 3 million retained (8.5M x 5 years)
Noah Gregor (0.95M x 1 year)

for

Cody Ceci (3.25M x 3 years)
Jesse Puljuvarvi (3M x 1 year)
Warren Foegle (2.75M x 2 years)
2023 1st
Luca Munzenberger

Money works, gets a first and a D prospect, and maybe we can re-sell Ceci eventually or Pulju turns it around in a big role here.
 
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Kcoyote3 said:
I think this COULD work:

Erik Karlsson 3 million retained (8.5M x 5 years)
Noah Gregor (0.95M x 1 year)

for

Cody Ceci (3.25M x 3 years)
Jesse Puljuvarvi (3M x 1 year)
Warren Foegle (2.75M x 2 years)
2023 1st
Luca Munzenberger

Money works, gets a first and a D prospect, and maybe we can re-sell Ceci eventually or Pulju turns it around in a big role here.
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Ceci would be perfect for the tank. Him and Benning on the right side in our top-4 is money.
 
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Kcoyote3 said:
I think this COULD work:

Erik Karlsson 3 million retained (8.5M x 5 years)
Noah Gregor (0.95M x 1 year)

for

Cody Ceci (3.25M x 3 years)
Jesse Puljuvarvi (3M x 1 year)
Warren Foegle (2.75M x 2 years)
2023 1st
Luca Munzenberger

Money works, gets a first and a D prospect, and maybe we can re-sell Ceci eventually or Pulju turns it around in a big role here.
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Is there a scenario where we can fit Bouchard somehow to that deal, take someone else off? I know money wise it's not that realistic and Edmonton won't be the biggest fans of parting away from Bouchard. BUT they are getting one of the best defencemen in the league and him playing with McDavid and Draisaitl is going to be insane (when healthy)
 
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Kcoyote3 said:
I think this COULD work:

Erik Karlsson 3 million retained (8.5M x 5 years)
Noah Gregor (0.95M x 1 year)

for

Cody Ceci (3.25M x 3 years)
Jesse Puljuvarvi (3M x 1 year)
Warren Foegle (2.75M x 2 years)
2023 1st
Luca Munzenberger

Money works, gets a first and a D prospect, and maybe we can re-sell Ceci eventually or Pulju turns it around in a big role here.
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I think id want Halloway instead of the prospect. Hes been lackluster so far, but could turn into a good 2nd line winger
 
Kcoyote3 said:
I think this COULD work:

Erik Karlsson 3 million retained (8.5M x 5 years)
Noah Gregor (0.95M x 1 year)

for

Cody Ceci (3.25M x 3 years)
Jesse Puljuvarvi (3M x 1 year)
Warren Foegle (2.75M x 2 years)
2023 1st
Luca Munzenberger

Money works, gets a first and a D prospect, and maybe we can re-sell Ceci eventually or Pulju turns it around in a big role here.
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We don’t have the contract space.
 
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