Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Hookslide]

I wonder if GMMG is trying to fill the tank with vets to give time for the kids to play together in the AHL? Keep the kids from getting the tank-stank taint on them.


Ek - Bordy - Peterson (I guess MacDonald could go up and down for merit type call ups for forwards)
Goose - Carpy - Raska
Smith - Ozzy - Robins

Alex Young? or he's going back to graduate? (so he can be a free agent?)


Thrun - Mukh (Burroughs or MacDonald coming down if someone earns a game or two up)
Pulli - Gawanke
Simek? Pohlkamp?

I feel like GMMG pushing to shelter them for one more year. I like the idea of having Simek to protect the youth. Although not sure how protect-y Simek can be. Might be LTIR. Could be a decent core for a run in the AHL while the Sharks stink it up.

That leaves the Sharks with:

Duclair - Hertl - Zadina
Labanc - Cooter - Barbar
Hoffman - Granlund - Zetterlund
Lindblom - Sturm - Kunin

(insert line blender slot machine gif here)

Knyzhov - Ruuta
Vlasic - Benning
Ferarro - Burroughs/Thrun/Mukh/etc

MacDonald could also be the up/down guy for d guys.

What is the ask for Hertl...........

 

[Jargon]

I wonder if GMMG is trying to fill the tank with vets to give time for the kids to play together in the AHL? Keep the kids from getting the tank-stank taint on them.


Ek - Bordy - Peterson (I guess MacDonald could go up and down for merit type call ups for forwards)
Goose - Carpy - Raska
Smith - Ozzy - Robins

Alex Young? or he's going back to graduate? (so he can be a free agent?)


Thrun - Mukh (Burroughs or MacDonald coming down if someone earns a game or two up)
Pulli - Gawanke
Simek? Pohlkamp?

I feel like GMMG pushing to shelter them for one more year. I like the idea of having Simek to protect the youth. Although not sure how protect-y Simek can be. Might be LTIR. Could be a decent core for a run in the AHL while the Sharks stink it up.

That leaves the Sharks with:

Duclair - Hertl - Zadina
Labanc - Cooter - Barbar
Hoffman - Granlund - Zetterlund
Lindblom - Sturm - Kunin

(insert line blender slot machine gif here)

Knyzhov - Ruuta
Vlasic - Benning
Ferarro - Burroughs/Thrun/Mukh/etc

MacDonald could also be the up/down guy for d guys.

I kinda think there’s a point where talent gets overcooked. I don’t think Eklund has anything left to prove in the AHL, he needs to be in the NHL this year. Peterson also deserves a spot after the way he played.

We definitely have like 1 or 2 extra unnecessary dudes on both defense and offense.

 

[Gecklund]

Okay, if that’s true, another attempt at roster building:

Eklund - Hertl - Zadina
Duclair - Couture - Barabanov
Hoffman - Sturm - Granlund
Peterson - Carpenter / Bordeleau - Zetterlund

Smith, Lindblom, Kunin

Rutta - Gawanke
Vlasic - Benning
Thrun / Knyzhov - Ferraro

We have SO many extraneous players, though. I think they’re gonna see how camp goes and a couple of them are gonna get sent off. Seems like a logjam and I really don’t see Eklund starting in the AHL after everything he’s done so far… he’s also still one of the top 6 most skilled guys.

I’m thinking:

Zadina-Hertl-Duclair
Eklund-Couture-Barabanov
Zetterlund-Granlund-Peterson
Hoffman-Sturm-Lindblom
Kunin (not healthy to start I don’t think), Smith, Carpenter, Labanc

Vlasic-Benning
Thrun-Rutta
Ferraro-Gawanke
Burroughs

Kahkonen
Blackwood

 

[Hodge]

I’m thinking:

Zadina-Hertl-Duclair
Eklund-Couture-Barabanov
Zetterlund-Granlund-Peterson
Hoffman-Sturm-Lindblom
Kunin (not healthy to start I don’t think), Smith, Carpenter, Labanc

Vlasic-Benning
Thrun-Rutta
Ferraro-Gawanke
Burroughs

Kahkonen
Blackwood

Knyzhov and Simek waived?

 

[Jargon]

I’m thinking:

Zadina-Hertl-Duclair
Eklund-Couture-Barabanov
Zetterlund-Granlund-Peterson
Hoffman-Sturm-Lindblom
Kunin (not healthy to start I don’t think), Smith, Carpenter, Labanc

Vlasic-Benning
Thrun-Rutta
Ferraro-Gawanke
Burroughs

Kahkonen
Blackwood

That defense makes me laugh every time. It’s entire composed of #5 defensemen aside from maybe Thrun.

Curious what they do with Knyzhov too. And Simek. And MacDonald. We have way too many players.

 

[Sendhelplease]

Knyzhov and Simek waived?

Maybe I am overrating him but I would think we'd keep Knyzhov over Rutta

 

[Grinner]

I wonder if GMMG is trying to fill the tank with vets to give time for the kids to play together in the AHL? Keep the kids from getting the tank-stank taint on them.


Ek - Bordy - Peterson (I guess MacDonald could go up and down for merit type call ups for forwards)
Goose - Carpy - Raska
Smith - Ozzy - Robins

Alex Young? or he's going back to graduate? (so he can be a free agent?)


Thrun - Mukh (Burroughs or MacDonald coming down if someone earns a game or two up)
Pulli - Gawanke
Simek? Pohlkamp?

I feel like GMMG pushing to shelter them for one more year. I like the idea of having Simek to protect the youth. Although not sure how protect-y Simek can be. Might be LTIR. Could be a decent core for a run in the AHL while the Sharks stink it up.

That leaves the Sharks with:

Duclair - Hertl - Zadina
Labanc - Cooter - Barbar
Hoffman - Granlund - Zetterlund
Lindblom - Sturm - Kunin

(insert line blender slot machine gif here)

Knyzhov - Ruuta
Vlasic - Benning
Ferarro - Burroughs/Thrun/Mukh/etc

MacDonald could also be the up/down guy for d guys.

Why pencil in the our younger defenders on thier offsides? Just to fit them in?

What is the ask for Hertl...........

As we're just giving them away. Probably not much

 

[landshark]

What is the ask for Hertl...........

Not sure if you mean trade value or WTF do I expect him to do with those guys.

I have no idea trade value wise. That contract is tough to trade unless maybe some team that has a bonafide 1C and is coming outta rebuild needs a 2C. Hertl added to a (6-8 seed) playoff team on the upswing could be really good. It's an awful long time but in two seasons it goes to 3 team trade list, and two after that it's 15 team list... Certain situations would work but Hertl would have to be on board and GMMG would have to be satisfied with the return since there's no demand from Tomas to go anywhere since he just signed that big contract.

If you mean his linemates, I just kinda threw guys out there. Line blender will be in full effect since so many new faces, probably a new system since no more Karl? Not sure on the last part. But that's what I meant by "line blender slot machine.gif" a while back there was a gif floating around here because of the coach at the time constantly shuffling the forward lines around.

I kinda think there’s a point where talent gets overcooked. I don’t think Eklund has anything left to prove in the AHL, he needs to be in the NHL this year. Peterson also deserves a spot after the way he played.

We definitely have like 1 or 2 extra unnecessary dudes on both defense and offense.

I hear you. But, I think backing it up a year on the guys in the system would be a good thing overall. There's no one breaking down the door. Could they get a shot on a decent team that's looking to win now and need help in that moment? Sure. But I don't think Eklund is overcooked.

There will be injury call ups and if they light it up during their NHL time then maybe they beat someone out of a job and someone goes to the pressbox. That's ideal, I think. Plus, I feel like that sort of thing may instill the need play well to make sure they stay in the NHL lineup for the prospect as they break in. A feeling of accomplishment for beating out an actual NHL guy instead of just sort of backing into the slot during an offseason.

 

[landshark]

Why pencil in the our younger defenders on thier offsides? Just to fit them in?

I don't expect them to be in the NHL outside of injury callups. Also, tank lineup, but I'd want the kids to play on their usual side. But yeah, just placeholders, all of them.

 

[Gecklund]

Knyzhov and Simek waived?

I think so? I’m not sure. MacDonald is missing too. I think Knyzhov deserves to be there. I’d personally trade Ferraro for a pick and have Knyzhov as that third pair LD. Simek is as good as gone.

Maybe I am overrating him but I would think we'd keep Knyzhov over Rutta

They aren’t even competing with each other. They don’t play the same side.

 

[Mattb124]

Is it weird that are 3rd-6th highest cap hit players are Granlund, Labanc, Hoffman, and Duclair? 3 weren't Sharks at the end of last season and the other probably won't be in a month.

I think so? I’m not sure. MacDonald is missing too. I think Knyzhov deserves to be there. I’d personally trade Ferraro for a pick and have Knyzhov as that third pair LD. Simek is as good as gone.

The Sharks have so many NHL-level players it is hard to keep track, but Knyzhov is a massive omission and likely the best D-man the Sharks still have.

 

[Sendhelplease]

I think so? I’m not sure. MacDonald is missing too. I think Knyzhov deserves to be there. I’d personally trade Ferraro for a pick and have Knyzhov as that third pair LD. Simek is as good as gone.


They aren’t even competing with each other. They don’t play the same side.

There is also that. I have always liked what Knyzhov has brought to the team. He is young, physical, reliable, and cheap. I would think he could potentially get a good return at the deadline like Jake Middleton did (even though Kaapo has been bad for us he was a legit nhl goalie prospect) and return us the value of a 2nd round pick or prospect if the team decides to go that route or he can stay with the team and be a good player for us.

 

[Jargon]

Not sure if you mean trade value or WTF do I expect him to do with those guys.

I have no idea trade value wise. That contract is tough to trade unless maybe some team that has a bonafide 1C and is coming outta rebuild needs a 2C. Hertl added to a (6-8 seed) playoff team on the upswing could be really good. It's an awful long time but in two seasons it goes to 3 team trade list, and two after that it's 15 team list... Certain situations would work but Hertl would have to be on board and GMMG would have to be satisfied with the return since there's no demand from Tomas to go anywhere since he just signed that big contract.

If you mean his linemates, I just kinda threw guys out there. Line blender will be in full effect since so many new faces, probably a new system since no more Karl? Not sure on the last part. But that's what I meant by "line blender slot machine.gif" a while back there was a gif floating around here because of the coach at the time constantly shuffling the forward lines around.





I hear you. But, I think backing it up a year on the guys in the system would be a good thing overall. There's no one breaking down the door. Could they get a shot on a decent team that's looking to win now and need help in that moment? Sure. But I don't think Eklund is overcooked.

There will be injury call ups and if they light it up during their NHL time then maybe they beat someone out of a job and someone goes to the pressbox. That's ideal, I think. Plus, I feel like that sort of thing may instill the need play well to make sure they stay in the NHL lineup for the prospect as they break in. A feeling of accomplishment for beating out an actual NHL guy instead of just sort of backing into the slot during an offseason.

I think Eklund still has to perform at camp and preseason but readiness and talent-wise, there’s no reason the corpses of Hoffman and Granlund should stand in his way.

 

[Gecklund]

The Sharks have so many NHL-level players it is hard to keep track, but Knyzhov is a massive omission and likely the best D-man the Sharks still have.

Yeah definitely. It was a mix of what I want and what I expect to happen. Vlasic can’t be dropped. Ferraro feels like he won’t be. Thrun was one of the bright spots at the end of the season with Eklund. I don’t really see him being dropped. If it was only up to me and no one else I’d roll:

Thrun-Rutta
Shakir-Benning
Knyzhov-Gawanke
Vlasic

With MacDonald and Burroughs in the AHL. Probably rushing Shakir to the NHL a little bit.

 

[gaucholoco3]

With Eklund one thing to keep in mind is the Cuda are hosting the All Star game so there could be an incentive to load up the Cuda. There are 14 forwards on 1-way NHL deals and you could argue they have 10 Top-9 Forwards without Eklund.
Hertl, Couture, Barabonov, Duclair, Zadina, Granlund, Hoffman, Sturm, Labanc, Kunin

Zadina was not signed to play on the 4th Line.
Granlund and Hoffman for as bad as they have been are still top 9 forwards.
Sturm played well as the 3C.
Labanc and Kunin could be on the 4th line but both have been successful to 9 forwards in their careers and are still young.

I even left out Zetterlund who looked good in a top 9 role in NJ and they might not want on the 4th line.

You could say 8 clear top 9 forwards and 3 fringe.

I really think it is likely they try and and squeeze Peterson down when guys usually don’t get claimed and Eklund will join him in the AHL.

Eklund - Bystedt - Gushchin
Peterson - Bordeleau - Carpenter

Could be a good top 6 for the Cuda.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Yeah definitely. It was a mix of what I want and what I expect to happen. Vlasic can’t be dropped. Ferraro feels like he won’t be. Thrun was one of the bright spots at the end of the season with Eklund. I don’t really see him being dropped. If it was only up to me and no one else I’d roll:

Thrun-Rutta
Shakir-Benning
Knyzhov-Gawanke
Vlasic

With MacDonald and Burroughs in the AHL. Probably rushing Shakir to the NHL a little bit.

There is no chance Muk starts the season in the NHL. Thurn is very likely to start in the AHL which is where he should start. I even think Knyzhov will start the season with the Cuda.

Cuda top 4
Thurn - Gawanke
Knyzhov - Mukhamadullin

 

[Gecklund]

With Eklund one thing to keep in mind is the Cuda are hosting the All Star game so there could be an incentive to load up the Cuda. There are 14 forwards on 1-way NHL deals and you could argue they have 10 Top-9 Forwards without Eklund.
Hertl, Couture, Barabonov, Duclair, Zadina, Granlund, Hoffman, Sturm, Labanc, Kunin

Zadina was not signed to play on the 4th Line.
Granlund and Hoffman for as bad as they have been are still top 9 forwards.
Sturm played well as the 3C.
Labanc and Kunin could be on the 4th line but both have been successful to 9 forwards in their careers and are still young.

I even left out Zetterlund who looked good in a top 9 role in NJ and they might not want on the 4th line.

You could say 8 clear top 9 forwards and 3 fringe.

I really think it is likely they try and and squeeze Peterson down when guys usually don’t get claimed and Eklund will join him in the AHL.

Eklund - Bystedt - Gushchin
Peterson - Bordeleau - Carpenter

Could be a good top 6 for the Cuda.

Hoffman is done. He was so bad the past two seasons. Sturm might have played okay at 3C but is definitely a 4C. Labanc is too one dimensional and the fact that 3-4 coaches hated him make me think he’s at good as gone. Kunin who knows what we get. Hertl went from looking like a damn good top line winger to being a 4th liner when he came back from his first ACL tear.

There is no chance Muk starts the season in the NHL. Thurn is very likely to start in the AHL which is where he should start. I even think Knyzhov will start the season with the Cuda.

Cuda top 4
Thurn - Gawanke
Knyzhov - Mukhamadullin

I very much doubt either of the top pair are in the AHL. We have no offense in the NHL on D and those are probably our best 2 offensive D that are possibly in the NHL.

 

[PettersonHughes]

Canucks fan here in peace. Seeing the current shape of the defense with Karlsson gone and the group of defensive minded D there, would there be interest in Myers with 50% retention, say for Rutta? He's the type to roam up ice and try to generate something (he's scored up to 0.38 points per game two seasons ago and could at worst eat up big minutes while being an expiring RHD).

Alternatively, if there's interest in Beauvillier or Garland for Rutta that can be discussed as well.

 

[Cas]

Canucks fan here in peace. Seeing the current shape of the defense with Karlsson gone and the group of defensive minded D there, would there be interest in Myers with 50% retention, say for Rutta? He's the type to roam up ice and try to generate something (he's scored up to 0.38 points per game two seasons ago and could at worst eat up big minutes while being an expiring RHD).

Alternatively, if there's interest in Beauvillier or Garland for Rutta that can be discussed as well.

The team may have interest (there were rumblings about Labanc for Myers), but I do wonder about whether doing anything that doesn't come with payment is worth it for the Sharks. Why shuffle deck chairs around on the Titanic unless someone is giving you something to make it worth your while?

 

[jfc64]

I think Eklund still has to perform at camp and preseason but readiness and talent-wise, there’s no reason the corpses of Hoffman and Granlund should stand in his way.

Look for wingers to be showcased and traded during the season!

 

[Jargon]

Yeah definitely. It was a mix of what I want and what I expect to happen. Vlasic can’t be dropped. Ferraro feels like he won’t be. Thrun was one of the bright spots at the end of the season with Eklund. I don’t really see him being dropped. If it was only up to me and no one else I’d roll:

Thrun-Rutta
Shakir-Benning
Knyzhov-Gawanke
Vlasic

With MacDonald and Burroughs in the AHL. Probably rushing Shakir to the NHL a little bit.

Jesus I forgot about Burroughs. We have like a full NHL lineup of middling defensemen.

 

[OrrNumber4]

It seems like the DW 2020 strategy on steroids, while being more pragmatic about how many options you need to have.

If you can get one solid top-4 performance out of Thrun, Knyzhov, Gawanke, Cicek, or Mikhamadullin, one "return-to-form" season from Hoffman, Duclair, Granlund, or Blackwood, and 1-2 "take the next step" campaigns from Peterson, Eklund, Zetterlund, Zadina, Kunin, Kahkonen, Gushchin, or Bordeleau, I like their chances.

More than that, while getting another low pick will be important, seeing how the guys that Grier and his team picked perform will give us a sense of their ability to draft, pick, and develop talent.

 

[Jargon]

It seems like the DW 2020 strategy on steroids, while being more pragmatic about how many options you need to have.

If you can get one solid top-4 performance out of Thrun, Knyzhov, Gawanke, Cicek, or Mikhamadullin, one "return-to-form" season from Hoffman, Duclair, Granlund, or Blackwood, and 1-2 "take the next step" campaigns from Peterson, Eklund, Zetterlund, Zadina, Kunin, Kahkonen, Gushchin, or Bordeleau, I like their chances.

More than that, while getting another low pick will be important, seeing how the guys that Grier and his team picked perform will give us a sense of their ability to draft, pick, and develop talent.

You like their chances to do what…? I think it would take a small miracle for us to sniff the playoffs with this team, unless somehow all these weird parts — rookies, vets and broken pieces no one else wanted — clicked so perfectly together that it was like a Vegas thing, where guys no one expected to play well suddenly did.

I think we’re picking top 5 this year based on the defense and goalies alone.

 

[OrrNumber4]

You like their chances to do what…? I think it would take a small miracle for us to sniff the playoffs with this team, unless somehow all these weird parts — rookies, vets and broken pieces no one else wanted — clicked so perfectly together that it was like a Vegas thing, where guys no one expected to play well suddenly did.

I remember all too well the 2003 offseason. But the team really clicked; Ekman came out of nowhere, Alyn McCauley made huge strides in his game, Brad Stuart had a big year, Korolyuk finally broke out a little bit; and, of course, Cheechoo...

You can see how the same thing could happen with the Sharks, though perhaps more with reclamation projects than surprising youngsters.

I think we’re picking top 5 this year based on the defense and goalies alone.

Probably. But the Sharks are due for a bit of goaltending luck. Blackwood's probably done, but Kakhonen could definitely take the next step in his game.

 

[Jargon]

I remember all too well the 2003 offseason. But the team really clicked; Ekman came out of nowhere, Alyn McCauley made huge strides in his game, Brad Stuart had a big year, Korolyuk finally broke out a little bit; and, of course, Cheechoo...

You can see how the same thing could happen with the Sharks, though perhaps more with reclamation projects than surprising youngsters.

Probably. But the Sharks are due for a bit of goaltending luck. Blackwood's probably done, but Kakhonen could definitely take the next step in his game.

I like your optimism. I mean, maybe!

I have a new, devil-may-care lineup:

Duclair - Hertl - Granlund
Hoffman - Couture - Barabanov
Eklund - Bordeleau - Zadina
Labanc - Sturm - Zetterlund

Thrun - Mukh
Knyzhov - Vlasic
Benning - Gawanke


Weeee!