Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

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Sharkz4Fun

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The EK trade was an absolute steal at the time for arguably the best defenseman in the league with 1 year left on his deal at a steal of a cap hit. It was the injuries and decisions afterwards that ruined the franchise. The Sharks were better than the Blues that season and if not for all the injuries they would have been cup favorites.

The return is not that far off from the Meier trade.

EK
1st, 2nd, 2nd, Norris, Tierney, Damelo, Balcers

Meier
1st, 2nd, Muk, Zetterlund, Okhotik, Johansson

Honestly the 4 players traded in each a close in value at the times of the trades. Obviously Norris improved but that wasn’t known at the time of the trade.

So basically for a full year instead of a deadline and a better player the sharks gave up only a 2nd round pick more than the Devils dud for Meier.

The Sharks absolutely won the trade when it happened. In hindsight it’s different but until time travel is invented hindsight is not a useful tool for evaluating trades.
Completely backwards. Jesus F Christ guacho. The cope level here is at an unprecedented high. The Karlsson trade was bad when it happened and is even worse today. The two trades aren't even close to being similar.
 

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Completely backwards. Jesus F Christ guacho. The cope level here is at an unprecedented high. The Karlsson trade was bad when it happened and is even worse today. The two trades aren't even close to being similar.
Jesus Christ if you think it is such a bad take why don’t you provide some actual context behind your argument.

The EK trade in hindsight does not look good I don’t say that in anyway. However stating it was a bad deal is just revisionist history. You could argue whether the Sharks needed EK at the time. However if they don’t have EK, Hertl, and Pavs all hurt they stomp the Blues and are probably holding the cup.
 

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It seems to me that at this point, the odds are that Karlsson remains a Shark on opening night.
I do think he gets traded, but we should be prepared for the possibility of riding his contract out to his conclusion. If he gets hurt again, he's probably unmovable.
 

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Nice!! I had issues getting the right angle. And sizing was weird for me, I think I haven't figured out how to size the layer individually after I drop it on there. If that's possible. I'm using a free website photoeditor thingy.

Was Patty basically a stormtrooper? I think so. He's shooting away from the goalie for a goal, trying his hardest to not hit the goalie, and hits the goalie dead on in the chest instead of missing... :sarcasm:

It's a good thing for the rebel alliance that the head stormtrooper never figured out reverse psychology.
 
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Completely backwards. Jesus F Christ guacho. The cope level here is at an unprecedented high. The Karlsson trade was bad when it happened and is even worse today. The two trades aren't even close to being similar.
The idea that the Karlsson trade was considered bad for SJ at the time of the trade is divorced from reality. If you are going to criticize the trade don't damage your own credibility by saying something so clearly false.
 

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The idea that the Karlsson trade was considered bad for SJ at the time of the trade is divorced from reality. If you are going to criticize the trade don't damage your own credibility by saying something so clearly false.
He’s the master of revisionist history. The Karlsson trade at the time was seen as a damn steal at the time. Tierney was a flawed fourth liner, Demelo was barely a 7D for us, Balcers had a promising rookie year in the AHL but wasn’t great, the firsts were expected to be late.
 

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He’s the master of revisionist history. The Karlsson trade at the time was seen as a damn steal at the time. Tierney was a flawed fourth liner, Demelo was barely a 7D for us, Balcers had a promising rookie year in the AHL but wasn’t great, the firsts were expected to be late.
When is the best time to evaluate a trade, a
FA acquisition or a draft? It isn't at the time or right afterwards. It's usually a few years or more down the road
 
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Completely backwards. Jesus F Christ guacho. The cope level here is at an unprecedented high. The Karlsson trade was bad when it happened and is even worse today. The two trades aren't even close to being similar.

I know you probably weren't into hockey at the time of the trade but go back and read the thread when the trade happened and you'll find that it is you who is completely backwards. Every hockey fan of every fanbase nearly unanimously agreed the Sens got bent over. Sens fans were calling for Dorian's head.

It was a classic case of quantity over quality. Just turns out that the Sens ended up with the 3rd overall pick because Wilson lacked foresight to protect that pick (not sure if he actually could since it already had a condition on it).
 

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Drew O'Conner just signed a 2x $ 925,000 deal with Pittsburgh. Let the EK trade commence
Dubas' window for EK65 hypothetically goes for 5 more days. The DOC arbitration gets the Pens a 48-hour buyout window starting in 3 days.

Though, if we go by Dubas' own words he really doesn't want to use the buyout.

The best case scenario for Pens is that Sharks just take Granlund in the trade. Maybe it means that Grier retains less on EK65 in exchange.

What does San Jose's center depth look like? Trying to understand if Granlund is an absolute non-factor in these discussions or not. Because if there's zero need for him, buyout is the only option to get the deal done.
 

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Dubas' window for EK65 hypothetically goes for 5 more days. The DOC arbitration gets the Pens a 48-hour buyout window starting in 3 days.

Though, if we go by Dubas' own words he really doesn't want to use the buyout.

The best case scenario for Pens is that Sharks just take Granlund in the trade. Maybe it means that Grier retains less on EK65 in exchange.

What does San Jose's center depth look like? Trying to understand if Granlund is an absolute non-factor in these discussions or not. Because if there's zero need for him, buyout is the only option to get the deal done.
Our 3C is a 4C and our 4C might be an AHL depth forward.
 
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Dubas' window for EK65 hypothetically goes for 5 more days. The DOC arbitration gets the Pens a 48-hour buyout window starting in 3 days.

Though, if we go by Dubas' own words he really doesn't want to use the buyout.

The best case scenario for Pens is that Sharks just take Granlund in the trade. Maybe it means that Grier retains less on EK65 in exchange.

What does San Jose's center depth look like? Trying to understand if Granlund is an absolute non-factor in these discussions or not. Because if there's zero need for him, buyout is the only option to get the deal done.
If push comes to shove because Petry is supposedly what stopped an EK65 trade previously, the buyout window for Pittsburgh would likely be used to buy Petry out to save like 3.25 mil then trade the Sharks Granlund, Rutta, and DeSmith so they can get Karlsson at 8 or 8.5 mil.
 
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