Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

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one2gamble

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Sheng has a translation as well and he says what he said. Comes off more annoyed he didn't stick in the NHL more so than the fighting thing but let's see who exists the staff over the next couple weeks
 

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Did a trial for the czech site just to see the whole interview. Here's the Sharks relevant stuff translated through Deepl. There's some stuff about his mental state while in america not being great and happier being home but it wasn't necessarily relevant. I guess a charitable read for the Sharks side of this is that they asked him to be more assertive and he just wasn't at the level they wanted him to be.


Got done reading the whole thing as well and Kaut just comes across like he's annoyed by everyone who coaches him. Even the last bit where he complains about being demoted so others could get a shot- the Sharks were just cycling guys in and out of the lineup to give them tryouts at the end of the year. That was kind of obvious.

The fighting thing is grabbing all the headlines when it seems like all it came down to was Kaut wanting more money if he was going to be stuck in the AHL for another season. I'm not really even convinced he would have been.
 

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Unfortunately this offseason Zadina is training with the team that Kaut has signed onto in the Czech. Hopefully Zadina can keep his head clear and not listen to Kaut's negativity because it seems like a lot of Zadina's performance issues are confidence and mental side.
 

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NHL should investigate something that occurred in a league that wasn’t the NHL. Makes tons of sense.
I don't know that the NHL should, but the Sharks absolutely should because it's within their organization.

Of course there's reasonable doubt against Kaut's claims, but he was VERY specific in his explanations, and that's either an imagination run amok or a sign that he could be telling some truths. The NHL could reasonably get involved since the Sharks are the parent club and if they feel like the club is blowing this shit off when there's reason to be concerned, that's a problem (though this is the NHL so what the Cuda coaches were being accused of might not actually be that bad to anyone in the industry, which is another whole potential conversation).
 

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The only thing I can think of that a coach would tell Kaut is something like "fight that guy" but meaning "battle" or "be more assertive and fight for position more" (like in front of the net). That's just stupid if a coach actually wanted him to fight a certain player every game. Forget every game, even once is dumb.

I understand Kaut going back home but I think he would have had a chance to play with the Sharks for some or even all of this coming season. He did put up some points but he also was useful on the defensive side.
 

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There's a fine line between asking someone to "fight" and "fight harder"...especially in hockey when English isn't the first language for one of the parties. Not to say that's what happened, but it could have just been that level of communication...
 
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The only thing I can think of that a coach would tell Kaut is something like "fight that guy" but meaning "battle" or "be more assertive and fight for position more" (like in front of the net). That's just stupid if a coach actually wanted him to fight a certain player every game. Forget every game, even once is dumb.

I understand Kaut going back home but I think he would have had a chance to play with the Sharks for some or even all of this coming season. He did put up some points but he also was useful on the defensive side.
If I remember right, after the game Eklund fought in, McCarthy was like "yea we don't want him fighting anymore haha" so I don't think there's that much of a fighting mandate down there. I guess Eklund has a different status as a prospect though
 
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There's a fine line between asking someone to "fight" and "fight harder"...especially in hockey when English isn't the first language for one of the parties. Not to say that's what happened, but it could have just been that level of communication...
This is how I see it too. Like "go take a run at that big guy and get in the game physically" might be misinterpreted.

I hope im not wrong, would be bad for the org if true
 

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I sense that the Kaur is speaking more about the Avs affiliate rather than the Sharks when it comes to fighting. Still not a good look for the Avs if that’s the case. Maybe that’s why the Sharks are denying it.
 

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I like toughness and a good scrap more than most but leave the pugilism to those who do.
 

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NHL should investigate something that occurred in a league that wasn’t the NHL. Makes tons of sense.

The Barracuda are owned by Sharks ownership and at least indirectly the staff there are overseen by the Sharks. It's not like the Sharks said "hey, you should hire X for your coach" and Joe Will went "nah, I like John McCarthy". And for that matter team GM Joe Will is very directly in the employ of the Sharks as a SJS assistant GM.

It might not have happened in the NHL, but it happened in a part of the organization that's under their watch and that they are responsible for. And a coach advising a player with a concussion history who isn't even a fighter by trade that he has to fight every game or he'll piss away his opportunity at the NHL is profoundly dumb and damaging to the club.

that said, in reading Sheng's "actually translated by someone who speaks Czech" version of the interview, the fighting thing seems like a small piece of a larger bundle of issues that Kaut was having. The homesickness and whatnot played into it too, but my biggest takeaway is that he seemed, and I'm loathe to use this word, kind of entitled. Like he broke into the NHL and had a bit of success and was subsequently insulted that they didn't pretty much just hand him a full-time NHL gig at that point. That he had to go back to the Cuda on a two-way deal and fight for his opportunity against guys that he seems to imply are beneath him.

It's kind of the opposite of Zadina. Zadina could've rested on his laurels, cashed the remainder of his fat rookie deal, and coasted to free agency in a little while, but instead he said it wasn't about the money and sacrificed millions of dollars so he could have the chance to prove he belongs in the league. Kaut, on the other hand, wants his spot in the league provided on a platter and thinks that having to thunderdome his way out of the AHL after a 9-game NHL audition is beneath him.

Now if he wants to go home because he's coming apart at the seams living in a different country, speaking a different language, and without anyone in his support network there to help him out because they're all a world away, fine. I can respect that because it's something a lot of us never have to deal with (just imagine being plunked down into the middle of Ostrava or somewhere while speaking nary a lick of Czech and having to find your way at 20 while everyone you know and care about is half a world away and unlikely to hop on a plane and uproot their lives as well). But you don't wanna stick around because the Sharks said you're not done earning it and were also trying out other pieces of the farm in late-season auditions? Piss off with that nonsense.

I'm sad that he's gone because I liked what he did in teal and think that with another fair shot he could've been a decent tertiary building block for the team, but Martin Kaut needed the Sharks to keep his NHL career going more than they needed him for their future success.
 

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Kaut barely did jack shit when he was here. He's just mad because he couldn't hack it in the NHL despite being drafted in the first round. He can go toil in the euro league for with all the other busts for the rest of his career for all I care.
 

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Kaut barely did jack shit when he was here. He's just mad because he couldn't hack it in the NHL despite being drafted in the first round. He can go toil in the euro league for with all the other busts for the rest of his career for all I care.
5 points in 9 games at the NHL level and 14 points in 19 games with San Jose is a lil more then jack squat.
 
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I sense that the Kaur is speaking more about the Avs affiliate rather than the Sharks when it comes to fighting. Still not a good look for the Avs if that’s the case. Maybe that’s why the Sharks are denying it.
Exactly opposite. As for the fight, he only mentions the SJ farm..
 

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I think too many concussions is the key here. Kaut has had three, perhaps his thinker doesn't work so good. Throw in a little language barrier, and it's easy to see how this could be completely misinterpreted... Media won't give two shits, they just want your clicks.
 
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I think too many concussions is the key here. Kaut has had three, perhaps his thinker doesn't work so good. Throw in a little language barrier, and it's easy to see how this could be completely misinterpreted... Media won't give two shits, they just want your clicks.
I'd be much more likely to believe Kaut is being honest and accurate than go for "his brain is broken."
 

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The Barracuda are owned by Sharks ownership and at least indirectly the staff there are overseen by the Sharks. It's not like the Sharks said "hey, you should hire X for your coach" and Joe Will went "nah, I like John McCarthy". And for that matter team GM Joe Will is very directly in the employ of the Sharks as a SJS assistant GM.

It might not have happened in the NHL, but it happened in a part of the organization that's under their watch and that they are responsible for. And a coach advising a player with a concussion history who isn't even a fighter by trade that he has to fight every game or he'll piss away his opportunity at the NHL is profoundly dumb and damaging to the club.

that said, in reading Sheng's "actually translated by someone who speaks Czech" version of the interview, the fighting thing seems like a small piece of a larger bundle of issues that Kaut was having. The homesickness and whatnot played into it too, but my biggest takeaway is that he seemed, and I'm loathe to use this word, kind of entitled. Like he broke into the NHL and had a bit of success and was subsequently insulted that they didn't pretty much just hand him a full-time NHL gig at that point. That he had to go back to the Cuda on a two-way deal and fight for his opportunity against guys that he seems to imply are beneath him.

It's kind of the opposite of Zadina. Zadina could've rested on his laurels, cashed the remainder of his fat rookie deal, and coasted to free agency in a little while, but instead he said it wasn't about the money and sacrificed millions of dollars so he could have the chance to prove he belongs in the league. Kaut, on the other hand, wants his spot in the league provided on a platter and thinks that having to thunderdome his way out of the AHL after a 9-game NHL audition is beneath him.

Now if he wants to go home because he's coming apart at the seams living in a different country, speaking a different language, and without anyone in his support network there to help him out because they're all a world away, fine. I can respect that because it's something a lot of us never have to deal with (just imagine being plunked down into the middle of Ostrava or somewhere while speaking nary a lick of Czech and having to find your way at 20 while everyone you know and care about is half a world away and unlikely to hop on a plane and uproot their lives as well). But you don't wanna stick around because the Sharks said you're not done earning it and were also trying out other pieces of the farm in late-season auditions? Piss off with that nonsense.

I'm sad that he's gone because I liked what he did in teal and think that with another fair shot he could've been a decent tertiary building block for the team, but Martin Kaut needed the Sharks to keep his NHL career going more than they needed him for their future success.

Yeah, I think both things are likely true.

The fighting thing — I think some posters here are doing some wishful thinking in suggesting it was lost in translation. Kaut says quite clearly that they pointed out big guys and told him to fight them. I’m trying to figure out how that could mean something else. Go play hard against this one specific guy? Doesn’t make sense.

That said, it’s so outrageously stupid for a coach to say that in 2023, you do wonder if Kaut is exaggerating the frequency of it. Maybe it happened once or twice and he made it sound like a daily occurrence. I don’t know but I hope Grier really looks into it.

I also agree he sounds a little entitled. Dude, you were on the team for like 3 months, some rookies deserved an audition too — and I don’t particularly remember any healthy scratches on the Barracuda getting time in the NHL? The guys that came up were Eklund, Robina, Guschin, Peterson and Bordeleau, so not sure who else he’s talking about here.

It’s a weird situation all around but I agree that ultimately I think he’s just had a miserable time in NA and wants to go home.
 
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I'd be much more likely to believe Kaut is being honest and accurate than go for "his brain is broken."
Ok. I get it. Concussions are a bitch tho. Language barriers don't help.


EDIT: Oh the irony...

He opened the season with the Eagles going scoreless in 7 games before suffering a concussion against the San Jose Barracuda on 26 October 2019.
 
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It's possible he was told to "battle" certain players and it was taken literally. Or I could just be reaching like crazy haha
Happens to me all the time when the boss tells me to "take care" of someone

I always have to make the finger gun gesture to my head and repeat back "take care of them?" to confirm we're both talking about the same thing
 
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