Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

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spintops

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Did Grier say that or was it just speculation from reporters? (genuinely asking I don't remember)

Rosters are already mostly set and pretty much every significant UFA has been signed. Teams by and large shouldn't be in any more of a cap crunch at the trade deadline compared to today. If anything some potential suitors will actually accrue more cap space by then which could allow them to add Karlsson more easily.
Reporters, but Grier also said something about it being hard as the deadline neared. Basically "It's a complex deal, and I don't know if we can pull it off before the deadline. IF someone really wants him there's a way but I expect him to be here" - IIRC
 
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I understand it might not be the best thing for the Sharks long term but I can't even get that angry about us possibly not trading Karlsson. He is a lot of fun to watch and he is one of the only reasons the team was watchable last year.
 
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I understand it might not be the best thing for the Sharks long term but I can't even get that angry about us possibly not trading Karlsson. He is a lot of fun to watch and he is one of the only reasons the team was watchable last year.

Honestly, this team:

Eklund - Hertl - Duclair
Zadina - Couture - Barabanov
Peterson - Sturm - Zetterlund
Lindblom - Carpenter - Smith/Labanc

Thrun - Karlsson
Vlasic - Benning
Knyzhov - Burroughs

Is arguably a more balanced/better lineup than last year (if Zadina can score goals, big if). It’s a bit deeper, with the potential for Guschin/Bordeleau to come up and challenge for a spot. I’m just not sure if we want a mediocre team - I’d rather go for all the way bad, probably.
 
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Honestly, this team:

Eklund - Hertl - Duclair
Zadina - Couture - Barabanov
Peterson - Sturm - Zetterlund
Lindblom - Carpenter - Smith/Labanc

Thrun - Karlsson
Vlasic - Benning
Knyzhov - Burroughs

Is arguably a more balanced/better lineup than last year (if Zadina can score goals, big if). It’s a bit deeper, with the potential for Guschin/Bordeleau to come up and challenge for a spot. I’m just not sure if we want a mediocre team - I’d rather go for all the way bad, probably.
It is also missing Kunin and Ferraro.
 

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Honestly, this team:

Eklund - Hertl - Duclair
Zadina - Couture - Barabanov
Peterson - Sturm - Zetterlund
Lindblom - Carpenter - Smith/Labanc

Thrun - Karlsson
Vlasic - Benning
Knyzhov - Burroughs

Is arguably a more balanced/better lineup than last year (if Zadina can score goals, big if). It’s a bit deeper, with the potential for Guschin/Bordeleau to come up and challenge for a spot. I’m just not sure if we want a mediocre team - I’d rather go for all the way bad, probably.
I think a lot has to go right for this to be true. Otherwise, I think this is still a worse team, with a higher collapse risk as guys like Hertl, Couture, Karlsson, and Vlasic only get older.

The new guys are not guaranteed to replace the old guys (especially not Meier, not immediately), and might just be this year's equivalent of Svechnikov/Gregor/Bonino/Nieto/Lorentz.

We have a long way to go before we even hit "mediocre" now.
 
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Honestly, this team:

Eklund - Hertl - Duclair
Zadina - Couture - Barabanov
Peterson - Sturm - Zetterlund
Lindblom - Carpenter - Smith/Labanc

Thrun - Karlsson
Vlasic - Benning
Knyzhov - Burroughs

Is arguably a more balanced/better lineup than last year (if Zadina can score goals, big if). It’s a bit deeper, with the potential for Guschin/Bordeleau to come up and challenge for a spot. I’m just not sure if we want a mediocre team - I’d rather go for all the way bad, probably.
That team would give up so many goals. Apart from Sturm none of the forwards are good defensively, every defenseman except Karlsson is third pairing at best and to top it all off we have the worst goaltending tandem in the league.

We're definitely not finishing ahead of Vegas, Edmonton, Vancouver, Seattle, LA or Calgary so best case is 7th place in the division just like last season. I don't know where that will put us league wide but Arizona, Philly and Chicago are the only other rosters (apart from Anaheim) you can even argue might be worse than ours.
 
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Honestly, this team:

Eklund - Hertl - Duclair
Zadina - Couture - Barabanov
Peterson - Sturm - Zetterlund
Lindblom - Carpenter - Smith/Labanc

Thrun - Karlsson
Vlasic - Benning
Knyzhov - Burroughs

Is arguably a more balanced/better lineup than last year (if Zadina can score goals, big if). It’s a bit deeper, with the potential for Guschin/Bordeleau to come up and challenge for a spot. I’m just not sure if we want a mediocre team - I’d rather go for all the way bad, probably.
Zadina‘s gonna score 35 goals this yr soooo..
 

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That team would give up so many goals. Apart from Sturm none of the forwards are good defensively, every defenseman except Karlsson is third pairing at best and to top it all off we have the worst goaltending tandem in the league.

We're definitely not finishing ahead of Vegas, Edmonton, Vancouver, Seattle, LA or Calgary so best case is 7th place in the division just like last season. I don't know where that will put us league wide but Arizona, Philly and Chicago are the only other rosters (apart from Anaheim) you can even argue might be worse than ours.
It depends on how much Calgary and Winnipeg want to dismantle their teams as well since lots of players don't want to stay there long term. Chicago will be better just on Bedard alone. Arizona and Philly are definitely comparable but Montreal and Anaheim could get enough bad luck to compete there too.
 
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That team would give up so many goals. Apart from Sturm none of the forwards are good defensively, every defenseman except Karlsson is third pairing at best and to top it all off we have the worst goaltending tandem in the league.

We're definitely not finishing ahead of Vegas, Edmonton, Vancouver, Seattle, LA or Calgary so best case is 7th place in the division just like last season. I don't know where that will put us league wide but Arizona, Philly and Chicago are the only other rosters (apart from Anaheim) you can even argue might be worse than ours.

That's fine. 6-4 losses are more entertaining than 2-1 losses.
 

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Honestly, this team:

Eklund - Hertl - Duclair
Zadina - Couture - Barabanov
Peterson - Sturm - Zetterlund
Lindblom - Carpenter - Smith/Labanc

Thrun - Karlsson
Vlasic - Benning
Knyzhov - Burroughs

Is arguably a more balanced/better lineup than last year (if Zadina can score goals, big if). It’s a bit deeper, with the potential for Guschin/Bordeleau to come up and challenge for a spot. I’m just not sure if we want a mediocre team - I’d rather go for all the way bad, probably.

That's the same team as last year with a worse 1st line, a worse 4th line, and worse goaltending as well

It isn't reasonable to expect the Sharks to be better next year under basically any circumstances, which is why a Karlsson trade is so important, we're going to be among the worst so we might as well actually finish dead last rather than hope for lotto luck to secure a top-5 pick
 

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The rumor was Karlsson wanted pengiuns, so it wouldnt be that shocking. We know how much he catered to Burns chosen spot
Wrong in two ways.

1) Burns didn’t have Carolina on his 3 team list and Grier had to get approval for him to be sent there. Dallas was on the list and had an offer which would mean that Carolina simply offered Grier the best deal with the least retention. He didn’t “cater” to his destination in lieu of getting the best deal.

2) Karlsson has control of where he goes with a full NMC. If he knows that PIt has a deal to acquire him and it’s his preference over Carolina, then he holds the strings of saying I want PIT and am only waiving for them at this point.
 
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Said this in the main board thread but I'm not sure why Karlsson needs to be traded any sooner than the 2024 trade deadline. He just wants to compete for a Cup, I doubt he cares where he's playing from October to March.
Because of injuries and because of the complexity in moving roster players mid season to facilitate the cap hit swap. It’s literally the exact reason he wasn’t traded this TDL. It’s a very complex move moving that sort of salary. If it’s not done in the offseason, it’s unlikely to get done until next offseason. Teams don’t move out 3-4 roster players mid-season. Too much locker room dynamic at play.
 
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Wrong in two ways.

1) Burns didn’t have Carolina on his 3 team list and Grier had to get approval for him to be sent there. Dallas was on the list and had an offer which would mean that Carolina simply offered Grier the best deal with the least retention. He didn’t “cater” to his destination in lieu of getting the best deal.

2) Karlsson has control of where he goes with a full NMC. If he knows that PIt has a deal to acquire him and it’s his preference over Carolina, then he holds the strings of saying I want PIT and am only waiving for them at this point.
Although all the information states that EK is being flexible and letting Grier negotiate with multiple teams. That could obviously change but at least it seems EK is bring a good sport about it.
 
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2) Karlsson has control of where he goes with a full NMC. If he knows that PIt has a deal to acquire him and it’s his preference over Carolina, then he holds the strings of saying I want PIT and am only waiving for them at this point.
From everything Karlsson has said publicly, I doubt he would try to strong arm Mike like this. Mike could also just turn it around. “Erik, we have a deal with Carolina. Do you want to be a Cane or a Shark next year? Those are your only choices.”

We know that Mike met with Karlsson and his agent before the draft and reports say that they were in agreement. I think it’s obvious that they agreed on a list of acceptable teams. I doubt Mike is negotiating with any team that Karlsson hasn’t already approved.
 

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From everything Karlsson has said publicly, I doubt he would try to strong arm Mike like this. Mike could also just turn it around. “Erik, we have a deal with Carolina. Do you want to be a Cane or a Shark next year? Those are your only choices.”

We know that Mike met with Karlsson and his agent before the draft and reports say that they were in agreement. I think it’s obvious that they agreed on a list of acceptable teams. I doubt Mike is negotiating with any team that Karlsson hasn’t already approved.
Yeah a player having a NMC doesn’t mean he has 100% of the leverage. Sharks can just do nothing and EK is a Shark. I doubt he would go so far as refusing to report which in turn means he won’t get paid. It would be messy but Grier doesn’t just have to give him away for free just because EK wants out.
 
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That team would give up so many goals. Apart from Sturm none of the forwards are good defensively, every defenseman except Karlsson is third pairing at best and to top it all off we have the worst goaltending tandem in the league.

We're definitely not finishing ahead of Vegas, Edmonton, Vancouver, Seattle, LA or Calgary so best case is 7th place in the division just like last season. I don't know where that will put us league wide but Arizona, Philly and Chicago are the only other rosters (apart from Anaheim) you can even argue might be worse than ours.
id argue Montreal and Winnipeg are two others likely to be very near the bottom and likely in line with ours. Especially if Winnipeg goes scortched earth and trades hellebuyck
 
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id argue Montreal and Winnipeg are two others likely to be very near the bottom and likely in line with ours. Especially if Winnipeg goes scortched earth and trades hellebuyck
If Winnipeg trades Hellebuyck all bets are off but as of today I would argue the Jets are better than they were at the end of last season. They're certainly deeper. Montreal had a bunch of injuries to key players last year that probably won't happen again.
 

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If Winnipeg trades Hellebuyck all bets are off but as of today I would argue the Jets are better than they were at the end of last season. They're certainly deeper. Montreal had a bunch of injuries to key players last year that probably won't happen again.
I’m not so sure I’d say deeper. Their 2C is Lowry or Barron? I think? Their defense is still Morrissey and a bunch of number 4s at best. I think WPG has the same holes as last year but with less scoring.
 

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I’m not so sure I’d say deeper. Their 2C is Lowry or Barron? I think? Their defense is still Morrissey and a bunch of number 4s at best. I think WPG has the same holes as last year but with less scoring.
Isn't Vilardi a center? I think bringing in him, Namestnikov, Niederreiter, Iafallo and Kupari since the trade deadline has made them deeper overall despite subtracting PLD and Wheeler.
 

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Isn't Vilardi a center? I think bringing in him, Namestnikov, Niederreiter, Iafallo and Kupari since the trade deadline has made them deeper overall despite subtracting PLD and Wheeler.
He’s pretty much exclusively played wing. He was drafted as a C but even on draft day they were saying he is likely a W. I mean they definitely have more players but W depth has never been WPG’s issue. Kupari also is absolutely nothing.
 

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Honestly, this team:

Eklund - Hertl - Duclair
Zadina - Couture - Barabanov
Peterson - Sturm - Zetterlund
Lindblom - Carpenter - Smith/Labanc

Thrun - Karlsson
Vlasic - Benning
Knyzhov - Burroughs

Is arguably a more balanced/better lineup than last year (if Zadina can score goals, big if). It’s a bit deeper, with the potential for Guschin/Bordeleau to come up and challenge for a spot. I’m just not sure if we want a mediocre team - I’d rather go for all the way bad, probably.
A lot like 2020-2022 or 2003-2004; a lot of ifs, potential, and high expectations…
 
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