Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[LadyStanley]

NHL rumors - Logan Couture headed to the Washington Capitals

NHL trade rumors have the Washington Capitals interested in Logan Couture. Evgeny Kuznetsov and Anthony Mantha would be headed to the Sharks.

www.nhltraderumor.com

Rumor. Couture (who may have waive NTC) to Caps for "Evgeny Kuznetsov, Anthony Mantha and a draft pick as a sweetner ". Kuznetsov requested trade.

Grier did say Cooch was OK with things as they were.

 

[sharski]

I feel like we lost in a lot of pretty inexplicable ways this year. Like how we scored an ENG and then proceeded to lose the game

the Sharks' dreaded Safe Is Death lineup

 

[Karl Prime]

Couture going to Washington for Kuznetsov does not help them get back to the playoffs, especially if they also had to give up Mantha.

 

[Shark Finn]

NHL rumors - Logan Couture headed to the Washington Capitals

NHL trade rumors have the Washington Capitals interested in Logan Couture. Evgeny Kuznetsov and Anthony Mantha would be headed to the Sharks.

www.nhltraderumor.com

Rumor. Couture (who may have waive NTC) to Caps for "Evgeny Kuznetsov, Anthony Mantha and a draft pick as a sweetner ". Kuznetsov requested trade.

Grier did say Cooch was OK with things as they were.

But.. why? Also, what the heck is that site.

 

[Coffee]

How many years until you guys are good again?

I’ll admit, the division doesn’t feel the same when Sharks are bad. There’s no real rivalry.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

But.. why? Also, what the heck is that site.

I really like the quality input found in the “What are NHL fans saying…” section of the article. The way that the site puts extra quotations on each quote and the fact there is not a whiff of an attribution really lends to the credibility of the site.

 

[Crewouse]

How many years until you guys are good again?

I’ll admit, the division doesn’t feel the same when Sharks are bad. There’s no real rivalry.

5-10 years imo

 

[Shark Finn]

I really like the quality input found in the “What are NHL fans saying…” section of the article. The way that the site puts extra quotations on each quote and the fact there is not a whiff of an attribution really lends to the credibility of the site.

Only now did I actually read the quotes.. What a load of crap.

 

[Hodge]

That rumor website looks like it’s going to give me a virus but Couture for Kuznetsov is an interesting basis for a trade. I assume we would retain a little but even getting 6.5M of cap relief from 2025-27 would be huge.

 

[landshark]

That rumor website looks like it’s going to give me a virus but Couture for Kuznetsov is an interesting basis for a trade. I assume we would retain a little but even getting 6.5M of cap relief from 2025-27 would be huge.

It's already given me hives.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Couture going to Washington for Kuznetsov does not help them get back to the playoffs, especially if they also had to give up Mantha.

It absolutely helps the Caps. We take on 5 mil and take two guys that to them are addition by subtraction at this stage. If they fork over a 1st or 2nd as part of that, I’d consider it a robbery for the Sharks. I doubt the Caps have any such interest nor do I think Cooch wants to go there.

 

[gaucholoco3]

It absolutely helps the Caps. We take on 5 mil and take two guys that to them are addition by subtraction at this stage. If they fork over a 1st or 2nd as part of that, I’d consider it a robbery for the Sharks. I doubt the Caps have any such interest nor do I think Cooch wants to go there.

I would definitely be interested if Leonard was somehow included to reunite him with Smith.

It’s not happening but it is nice to dream.

 

[Hodge]

Leonard isn’t happening but maybe something like Couture with 15% retained and Lindblom for Kuznetsov, Mantha and a 2025 2nd would work? Might be off on value there but Mantha is certainly considered a cap dump and they’ve been trying to move Kuznetsov for years.

I think Couture would waive for the Capitals. He has a much better chance of making the playoffs during his current contract in Washington than San Jose. Also who wouldn’t want to be on the ice or maybe even getting the primary assist when Ovechkin passes Gretzky?

 

[Sendhelplease]

Leonard isn’t happening but maybe something like Couture with 15% retained and Lindblom for Kuznetsov, Mantha and a 2025 2nd would work? Might be off on value there but Mantha is certainly considered a cap dump and they’ve been trying to move Kuznetsov for years.

I think Couture would waive for the Capitals. He has a much better chance of making the playoffs during his current contract in Washington than San Jose. Also who wouldn’t want to be on the ice or maybe even getting the primary assist when Ovechkin passes Gretzky?

I agree Leonard would be off the table in this scenario but I'd want much more from the Caps in this trade. I'd think Couture at 15% retention (6.8 mill against the cap if my math is correct) is closer to a first than a second and both Kuznetsov and Mantha are negative value contracts at this time. I'd probably want a first and a second in from the Caps in this trade.

 

[mogambomoroo]

This Couture rumor seems like MG is going for almost full clean up with the locker room. Exchange veterans with something to prove and hopefully they mesh better with the new teams. You can trade both @ Trade Deadline also. Kuzy is still imo elite player and is younger than Couture. Some kind of change feels good after so many years of being bad with same players.

 

[stator]

Where there's smoke, there's fire, but I don't see any smoke on that Couture rumor. That would be $13.5M in cap hit next season coming to the Sharks to shed $8M.

Besides Grier has shown a preference to sign vets on the backside of their salary peak for discount.

 

[sharski]

How many years until you guys are good again?

Who's saying the Sharks aren't?

I feel like the team did a lot of good things last season, especially towards the end where they strung a few wins together, that they can definitely build on going into next year. They have some things to work on during the off-season and they're going to get better.

There's no easy games in this league so they're going to continue to compete hard every night and keep making the right plays and do all the little things like winning the 1-on-1 battles and staying out of the penalty box. That's a good team over there so the Sharks have got to make some adjustments and make sure everyone trusts the process and good things will happen.

 

[weastern bias]

Who's saying the Sharks aren't?

The standings

 

[Hodge]

I agree Leonard would be off the table in this scenario but I'd want much more from the Caps in this trade. I'd think Couture at 15% retention (6.8 mill against the cap if my math is correct) is closer to a first than a second and both Kuznetsov and Mantha are negative value contracts at this time. I'd probably want a first and a second in from the Caps in this trade.

Even at 6.8M I think Couture signed from age 34 to 38 has zero or negative value. There’s just too much risk of the contract going underwater by the final two seasons. Kuznetsov being 31 and signed for just two years is far less of a risk. We would probably be able to trade him for a significant pick at the 2025 deadline.

 

[Sendhelplease]

Even at 6.8M I think Couture signed from age 34 to 38 has zero or negative value. There’s just too much risk of the contract going underwater by the final two seasons. Kuznetsov being 31 and signed for just two years is far less of a risk. We would probably be able to trade him for a significant pick at the 2025 deadline.

I have more faith in Couture's game to age well than most other players his age. He is not reliant on speed and is a very smart player. I think the fact that he had a very good year this season and his history of being a playoff performer means he has positive value at 6.8M. Acquiring him means you have a playoff performer 2C at 6.8 million which is valuable to a team like Washington who is trying to contend while they still have Ovechkin. He'll probably be negative value at the end of his contract but for now I think he is positive and certainly more valuable than Kuznetsov who has regressed a lot.

 

[weastern bias]

We really can't afford to retain salary in a Couture trade since we're pretty much guaranteed to be locked in to retention on Burns and Karlsson for the next 3 seasons

We need to keep that 3rd and final retention slot open to maximize the value we can squeeze out of trade deadline firesale moves

If we manage to move Couture before his contract ends I think the offset of cap will have to be achieved by taking back bad contracts in return rather than through salary retention

 

[sharski]

The standings

A social construct with no basis in science

 

[weastern bias]

A social construct with no basis in science

Fair enough

 

[tiburon12]

Kuznetsov is not a Grier player. Even if the value makes sense Grier isn't bringing in guys who go against his ethos

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Kuznetsov is not a Grier player. Even if the value makes sense Grier isn't bringing in guys who go against his ethos

If they attach a future asset of note like a first as part of it, I’d take him, play him for the year, then buy him out. Couture is a modest producer but not someone I want the team to view as a leader. He’s a secondary guy that maybe you can rely on come playoff time but not much of a rebuild leader.