Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Jargon]

2nd line
3rd line
4th line
AHL 3rd line

Lets go

Better than our defense which is:

3rd pairing
3rd pairing
1st AHL pairing

And our goalies, which are:

Tall

 

[Bizz]

K keep him cause no one can afford him
Then he gets hurt again. Just take advantage and move him out

The Sharks aren't gonna trade EK65 for the sake of trading him. They'll either get what they want (2 firsts and a top prospect) or they'll keep him. Period. Our team isn't in the business of making other teams better.

 

[spintops]

The Sharks aren't gonna trade EK65 for the sake of trading him. They'll either get what they want (2 firsts and a top prospect) or they'll keep him. Period. Our team isn't in the business of making other teams better.

Things aren't that black and white. Have you had a chance to check out the Brent Burns trade?

 

[Crewouse]

The Sharks aren't gonna trade EK65 for the sake of trading him. They'll either get what they want (2 firsts and a top prospect) or they'll keep him. Period. Our team isn't in the business of making other teams better.

I mean ok, are they not in the business of making their own team better tho? He will not have higher value than rn. They won't have Timo next season, and EKs been healthy like 1 season as a shark. Just ship him for the best deal you can get and move on, no point holding out because GMs won't agree to EA NHL trade offers.

He doesn't make the Sharks better in any meaningful way, they still suck and will suck for the remainder of his career. Getting picks and better lottery odds makes the Sharks a better team.

 

[Bizz]

He doesn't make the Sharks better in any meaningful way

This is about the most incorrect statement I have heard regarding EK65, like ever.

Things aren't that black and white. Have you had a chance to check out the Brent Burns trade?

Brent Burns is like 50 years old and at the end of his career. Entirely different scenarios.

 

[Crewouse]

This is about the most incorrect statement I have heard regarding EK65, like ever.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough what I meant, my bad.
He obviously makes the team better, what I mean is that the Sharks are awful and will remain awful. Why cling on to him and get nothing when the Sharks are a bottom 3 team, that is not meaningful.

He is 33 with 11,5 mil cap hit for another 4 years + an injury history. He went from untradeable to tradeable this season, just get whatever you can and accelerate the rebuild.

 

[OrrNumber4]

get what they want (2 firsts and a top prospect)

And you got this from where?

 

[spintops]

Brent Burns is like 50 years old and at the end of his career. Entirely different scenarios.

He led them in ice time in the regular season and the playoffs. We/He indeed made them better, but there are other factors that go into a trade.

 

[Hodge]

If we don't get the return we want I don't think holding on to Karlsson is the worst option in the world. As last season proved, he can be at the top of his game and not really hinder any tank effort.

His playmaking and power play skills will help juice the value of our trade deadline chips like Duclair and Barabanov as well as help Eklund produce in his first season. Karlson also makes our goalies' lives more difficult and our guys have a hard enough time stopping average chances.

Sucks for Karlsson who clearly wants to play for a contender but he knew the risks when he signed the contract. I also don't buy the narrative that it's now or never because he just won a Norris. Every year that ticks off the contract makes him more tradable as long as he maintains a reasonably high level of play.

 

[spintops]

If we don't get the return we want I don't think holding on to Karlsson is the worst option in the world. As last season proved, he can be at the top of his game and not really hinder any tank effort.

His playmaking and power play skills will help juice the value of our trade deadline chips like Duclair and Barabanov as well as help Eklund produce in his first season. Karlson also makes our goalies' lives more difficult and our guys have a hard enough time stopping average chances.

Sucks for Karlsson who clearly wants to play for a contender but he knew the risks when he signed the contract. I also don't buy the narrative that it's now or never because he just won a Norris. Every year that ticks off the contract makes him more tradable as long as he maintains a reasonably high level of play.

I think he cost us a spot or 2 in the lottery this year, repeating that would suck.

And his contract was one of the most lopsided negative value deals in the league going into the season. I don't think he's going to forget how to play hockey, but for a older player that has battled injuries it's easy to imagine his value dropping because something happened.

We don't need a huge return, anything is a bonus to moving the contract.

 

[WSS11]

If we don't get the return we want I don't think holding on to Karlsson is the worst option in the world. As last season proved, he can be at the top of his game and not really hinder any tank effort.

His playmaking and power play skills will help juice the value of our trade deadline chips like Duclair and Barabanov as well as help Eklund produce in his first season. Karlson also makes our goalies' lives more difficult and our guys have a hard enough time stopping average chances.

Sucks for Karlsson who clearly wants to play for a contender but he knew the risks when he signed the contract. I also don't buy the narrative that it's now or never because he just won a Norris. Every year that ticks off the contract makes him more tradable as long as he maintains a reasonably high level of play.

Exactly this. You wanted to be the highest paid dman? You got it and that comes with complications with a trade request. Grier didn’t even sign him to that deal but is doing the right thing by trying to accommodate Karlsson and capitalize on his recent Norris win at the same time. he’s not in a spot where he has to trade Karlsson though.

If I’m Grier, I tell him and his agent that I’ll try to get you to a contender as long as I have the flexibility to get a good return….but if you try to pigeon hole me using your NMC then I’ll see you in SJ for training camp. Grier can’t allow himself to get Heatley’d

 

[Hodge]

I think he cost us a spot or 2 in the lottery this year, repeating that would suck.

And his contract was one of the most lopsided negative value deals in the league going into the season. I don't think he's going to forget how to play hockey, but for a older player that has battled injuries it's easy to imagine his value dropping because something happened.

We don't need a huge return, anything is a bonus to moving the contract.

We're essentially replacing Timo Meier with Anthony Duclair compared to last season so we're already starting in a better tank position even if Karlsson stays.

Trading him now is a much better outcome for sure but I'm skeptical we'll get anything of significant value back even with 2-3 million retained. Maybe not even a 1st rounder. It's still preferable to deal him because at least you clear up some cap space for the next four years but I don't think we're getting a significant piece of the rebuild in return.

So there's not much downside to waiting it out until some team gets desperate enough to make an offer Grier sees as acceptable. Worst case scenario would be Karlsson regressing to pre-2022 form and going back to being an unmovable $11.5 million anchor but that would just help ensure the team remains bad through at least 2027 which is ideally what should happen anyway.

 

[Friday]

Selfishly hope Bystedt starts the year with the Cuda. But he should probably come next year

 

[gaucholoco3]

The return for EK might also be larger next offseason with the cap increasing by 4 million. The continued flat cap has hamstrung many contenders. While it’s unlikely EK will have another 100 pt season he is in a system that allows him to thrive so I think unless a catastrophic injury that keeps him out into the 24-25 season he will fetch a better return at the deadline or next offseason.

 

[DG93]

Exactly this. You wanted to be the highest paid dman? You got it and that comes with complications with a trade request. Grier didn’t even sign him to that deal but is doing the right thing by trying to accommodate Karlsson and capitalize on his recent Norris win at the same time. he’s not in a spot where he has to trade Karlsson though.

If I’m Grier, I tell him and his agent that I’ll try to get you to a contender as long as I have the flexibility to get a good return….but if you try to pigeon hole me using your NMC then I’ll see you in SJ for training camp. Grier can’t allow himself to get Heatley’d

100%, Karlsson wants to have his cake and to eat it too. Got a huge almost immovable contract, gotta be patient for a trade now.

 

[TheBeard]

The return for EK might also be larger next offseason with the cap increasing by 4 million. The continued flat cap has hamstrung many contenders. While it’s unlikely EK will have another 100 pt season he is in a system that allows him to thrive so I think unless a catastrophic injury that keeps him out into the 24-25 season he will fetch a better return at the deadline or next offseason.

Not if you’re taking back a contract that expires in a year. It sort of negates that aspect

 

[LadyStanley]

Jeff Marek in his final radio show of the season, mentioned rumor that Tarasenko inquired with Sharks about deal.

Huh

 

[Alaskanice]

Jeff Marek in his final radio show of the season, mentioned rumor that Tarasenko inquired with Sharks about deal.

Huh

That sounds weird.

 

[themelkman]

Jeff Marek in his final radio show of the season, mentioned rumor that Tarasenko inquired with Sharks about deal.

Huh

Maybe because we can afford to give him a massive 1 year deal and still get him to a contender later. The Taylor Hall move.


Im into it

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

I just don't understand why retaining an extra mill or so is the difference between treading water and officially starting the rebuild... isn't the cap supposed to go up EACH of the next 4 seasons by an amount similar to what the Sharks would be retaining? You are saving money by trading him anyways so no more "Hasso doesn't wanna pay" BS. They aren't competing so they shouldn't be worried about giving another team a deal in terms of the contract.

Reports like this still make me think Grier still has his head up his rear a bit.

 

[STL Shark]

Things aren't that black and white. Have you had a chance to check out the Brent Burns trade?

Difference is that Burns had regressed for multiple years in a row while Karlsson just won the Norris.

 

[DG93]

Maybe because we can afford to give him a massive 1 year deal and still get him to a contender later. The Taylor Hall move.


Im into it

That'd be a good idea imo

 

[KirbyDots]

I just don't understand why retaining an extra mill or so is the difference between treading water and officially starting the rebuild... isn't the cap supposed to go up EACH of the next 4 seasons by an amount similar to what the Sharks would be retaining? You are saving money by trading him anyways so no more "Hasso doesn't wanna pay" BS. They aren't competing so they shouldn't be worried about giving another team a deal in terms of the contract.

Reports like this still make me think Grier has his head up his rear a bit.

In all likelihood it's a negotiating tactic. Listen to Friedman's podcast and it's clear the expectation is that the more we retain, the more we want back in return. Start haggling over the amount, knowing that teams are up against the cap, and get them to pony up more. Karlsson just won the Norris, he's not some bum. If a team like the Canes wants to be a competitor now then they should be willing to part with one of their top 2 best d prospects. If Grier can manage to get a return like that it would go a long way to expedite the rebuild.

 

[Jargon]

Jeff Marek in his final radio show of the season, mentioned rumor that Tarasenko inquired with Sharks about deal.

Huh

That seems crazy but like another poster mentioned, maybe it’s; let me show what I can do on a bad team, pad my stats, and then you can get a pick for me at the deadline and deal me to a contender.

It’s honestly a great plan for all involved, unless he’s really good and ruins the tank. But Tarasenko and Duclair are significantly worse than Karlsson and Meier. We’d still be awful with that defense.

 

[Alaskanice]

In all likelihood it's a negotiating tactic. Listen to Friedman's podcast and it's clear the expectation is that the more we retain, the more we want back in return. Start haggling over the amount, knowing that teams are up against the cap, and get them to pony up more. Karlsson just won the Norris, he's not some bum. If a team like the Canes wants to be a competitor now then they should be willing to part with one of their top 2 best d prospects. If Grier can manage to get a return like that it would go a long way to expedite the rebuild.

He’s going to be the best player in the trade. They’ll win.