Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[jMoneyBrah]

This is why we were a perennial playoff team with a Jumbo and Pavs in their prime down the middle with Hertl and Couture as well.

Yeah but they never really had that bonafide all situations #1D (I know Burns, but let’s be reality, peak Burns is elite offensively and a pretty big liability in a lot of defensive situations). Also, they had lots of holes down the lineup. At no point during that era did they ever have a third line that anyone would confuse with a second line, nor 4th lines that were much more than maybe one bonafide NHLer and a bunch of bodies.

 

[tiburon12]

Yeah but they never really had that bonafide all situations #1D (I know Burns, but let’s be reality, peak Burns is elite offensively and a pretty big liability in a lot of defensive situations). Also, they had lots of holes down the lineup. At no point during that era did they ever have a third line that anyone would confuse with a second line, nor 4th lines that were much more than maybe one bonafide NHLer and a bunch of bodies.

Dan Boyle was that..... And that was 10+ years ago jeez

 

[jMoneyBrah]

Dan Boyle was that..... And that was 10+ years ago jeez

I love Dan Boyle. Dan Boyle is not my ideal #1D.

 

[Barrie22]

Dan Boyle was that..... And that was 10+ years ago jeez

Boyle was good, but everyone just seems to gloss over his big deficiencies defensively also. If he did not have the absolute perfect partner, he was also atrocious defensively.

 

[KirbyDots]

Boyle was good, but everyone just seems to gloss over his big deficiencies defensively also. If he did not have the absolute perfect partner, he was also atrocious defensively.

I remember Boyle being joined at the hip to Brad Lukowich. Vlasic looked godly when he was paired with Blake. Chemistry can be voodoo. Boyle and Burns were never Pronger and Niedermayer, neither were perfect dmen. DW had a talent for bringing in star players, but it had limits. Karlsson was able to overcome eventually but initially looked like a shell of his former self. You can't always draft a Lidstrom, but ideally we need to make that our next big focus after 1c is locked down.

 

[Gecklund]

So after todays moves what does our roster look like?

I’m thinking:

Eklund-Hertl-Zetterlund
Peterson-Couture-Barabanov
Duclair-Sturm-Kunin
Lindblom-Carpenter-Smith?

Knzyhov-Karlsson
Thrun-Benning
Vlasic-Burroughs
Ferraro, Simek, MacDonald

Blackwood
Kahkonen

Man that’s god awful. I think we end up flipping Ferraro for a forward at some point. It would be nice to move Kunin down to the fourth. I’m not sure what teams need a LHD though.

I have Duclair pencilled in on the third because I think he’d feast on the competition there. I think him, Barabanov, and Eklund all play a similar game so makes sense to space them out.

 

[StanleyCup2035]

2 more years of tanking, and we should be able to compete come 2025-2026 season….Grier is tanking right.

 

[Gecklund]

2 more years of tanking, and we should be able to compete come 2025-2026 season….Grier is tanking right.

It’s going to be longer than that. Eklund and Smith might be at the level we want by then but I doubt any of our other prospects will be.

 

[StanleyCup2035]

It’s going to be longer than that. Eklund and Smith might be at the level we want by then but I doubt any of our other prospects will be.

You are probably right. That’s fine, we need to tank right for years to properly stock up on Top 6 and 1-3 D. See my username, let’s play the long game

 

[WSS11]

I remember Boyle being joined at the hip to Brad Lukowich. Vlasic looked godly when he was paired with Blake. Chemistry can be voodoo. Boyle and Burns were never Pronger and Niedermayer, neither were perfect dmen. DW had a talent for bringing in star players, but it had limits. Karlsson was able to overcome eventually but initially looked like a shell of his former self. You can't always draft a Lidstrom, but ideally we need to make that our next big focus after 1c is locked down.

If we had last years Karlsson in 2018-19, we win the cup. Unfortunately, luck is almost never on the sharks side. Well, good luck anyway.

 

[OffSydes]

Shorks have 8 picks in 2024(no 3rd) and 2025 (no 5th) and looking back at the DW era they had a lot of picks but were always drafting late. In 2008 their first pick was #62 in the 3rd round and the two best picks were Wingels in the 6th and Demers in the 7th. The draft is such a crapshoot and keeping/acquiring picks will help the rebuild

 

[Jargon]

So after todays moves what does our roster look like?

I’m thinking:

Eklund-Hertl-Zetterlund
Peterson-Couture-Barabanov
Duclair-Sturm-Kunin
Lindblom-Carpenter-Smith?

Knzyhov-Karlsson
Thrun-Benning
Vlasic-Burroughs
Ferraro, Simek, MacDonald

Blackwood
Kahkonen

Man that’s god awful. I think we end up flipping Ferraro for a forward at some point. It would be nice to move Kunin down to the fourth. I’m not sure what teams need a LHD though.

I have Duclair pencilled in on the third because I think he’d feast on the competition there. I think him, Barabanov, and Eklund all play a similar game so makes sense to space them out.

I think it’s something like:

Eklund - Hertl - Duclair
Peterson - Couture - Barabanov
Zetterlund - Sturm - Labanc
Lindblom - Carpenter - Smith

Ferraro - Karlsson (but he’s gone)
Thrun-Benning
Vlasic-Burroughs
MacDonald, Knyzhov

That defense is woof. Especially when you replace Karlsson. Here’s my pitch for the lines in the second half of the year:

Eklund - Hertl - Duclair
Guschin - Couture - Barabanov
Peterson - Bordeleau - Labanc
Robins - Sturm - Smith

Thrun - Petry (or whatever EK replacement)
Ferraro - Khnyzov
Vlasic - Mukh
Burroughs

That’s not a good team but so much more fun to watch than what we’ve had!

**I keep forgetting Benning and Kunin. We have too many forgettable players.

 

[Mattb124]

Kunin and Smith.

Kunin likely pushes Peterson down.

I don't even know why we still have Lindblom. Guy was a black hole last year. He was the ice cream flavor-equivalent of vanilla. And not French vanilla, just vanilla.

 

[mogambomoroo]

I would build it (based on in the info right now):
Bordeleau gets one year (until trade deadline) being main forward in AHL with Mukhamadullin being main defencemen.
Bystedt I don't know what was his clause (If he doesn't make the Sharks, does he go back to sweden?) I would love him in AHL.
Simek, Lindblom, Labanc and Vlasic are buried. (unrealistic but I would do it)
I kept Karlsson here, because if he is traded there is going to probably couple of roster pieces coming back that will be on the line up.

Opening night:
Eklund - Hertl - Duclair
Peterson - Couture - Barabanov
Gushchin/Kaut - Sturm - Zetterlund
G.Smith - Carpenter - Kunin

Thrun - Karlsson ? (hopefully Karlsson is traded for assets)
Knyzhov -Benning
Ferraro-Burroughs
Vlasic, MacD, Simek

Blackwood
Kahk

Trade Deadline: Ferraro, Duclair and Barbie are flipped for picks

After trade deadline:
Eklund - Hertl - Gushchin/Kaut
Peterson - Couture - Zetterlund
Kaut/Gusch - Bordeleau - Kunin
G.Smith - Sturm - Carpenter

Thrun - Karlsson ?
Mukhmadullin -Benning
Knyzhov -Burroughs
Vlasic, MacD, Simek

Blackwood
Kahk

 

[Le Rosbeef]

We should all be on the Barabanov and Duclair bandwagon. That's a couple of high draft pick rentals if they play well this year.

Looking at the remaining free agent market, I'd consider a couple of guys on 1 year deals at near to league minimum:

Evan Rodriguez - if his concussion hasn't left a long term issue... another guy who can play up and down the line up with some spark and could fit on the 2nd PP unit.
Tomas Nosek - just a solid 4th liner who could fill a need on the PK.

If they work, you flip them for 3/4s at the deadline. In the meantime, they insulate you through some of the rookie growing pains. If not, you let them go.

 

[STL Shark]

We should all be on the Barabanov and Duclair bandwagon. That's a couple of high draft pick rentals if they play well this year.

Looking at the remaining free agent market, I'd consider a couple of guys on 1 year deals at near to league minimum:

Evan Rodriguez - if his concussion hasn't left a long term issue... another guy who can play up and down the line up with some spark and could fit on the 2nd PP unit.
Tomas Nosek - just a solid 4th liner who could fill a need on the PK.

If they work, you flip them for 3/4s at the deadline. In the meantime, they insulate you through some of the rookie growing pains. If not, you let them go.

Rodrigues just got a 4 year deal with FLA. Nosek is similar to a Lorentz (almost made the comparison when debating Lorentz earlier in the week last week).

I’d also look at Sundqvist as a bottom 6 option. Guessing he and Nosek will be looking for more term though than we’d want to give them (be a 1 year flip rental to us).

 

[Alaskanice]

Artemi Kniazev is a Jet. Traded for Leon Gawake.

 

[Friday]

Any right handed D they can find

 

[spintops]

Eklund, Hertl, Couture, Barabanov are the obvious players in my top 6. Duclair should be included and given PP time to pump his value. I would give Zetterlund a chance to see if he can regain his NJ form. He could either be a solid piece for us, or another trade chip. If things break right I could really see us flipping Barabanov and Duclair for 1sts at the deadline. Devils make the ECF and we go into the draft with 4 first round picks = prosper

 

[Friday]

Eklund, Hertl, Couture, Barabanov are the obvious players in my top 6. Duclair should be included and given PP time to pump his value. I would give Zetterlund a chance to see if he can regain his NJ form. He could either be a solid piece for us, or another trade chip. If things break right I could really see us flipping Barabanov and Duclair for 1sts at the deadline. Devils make the ECF and we go into the draft with 4 first round picks = prosper

I doubt those guys net 1sts but for funsies EK trade also haha 5 1sts

 

[STL Shark]

Eklund, Hertl, Couture, Barabanov are the obvious players in my top 6. Duclair should be included and given PP time to pump his value. I would give Zetterlund a chance to see if he can regain his NJ form. He could either be a solid piece for us, or another trade chip. If things break right I could really see us flipping Barabanov and Duclair for 1sts at the deadline. Devils make the ECF and we go into the draft with 4 first round picks = prosper

If the PIT deal happens, I’d guess we get Granlund back as well. Eklund-Hertl-Granlund and Duclair-Couture-Granlund is at least an okay NHL group. How they get the puck from the defensive end without a puck mover will be an issue though.

 

[Jargon]

If the PIT deal happens, I’d guess we get Granlund back as well. Eklund-Hertl-Granlund and Duclair-Couture-Granlund is at least an okay NHL group. How they get the puck from the defensive end without a puck mover will be an issue though.

How is Blackwell’s breakout pass?

 

[Internazionale]

Eklund, Hertl, Couture, Barabanov are the obvious players in my top 6. Duclair should be included and given PP time to pump his value. I would give Zetterlund a chance to see if he can regain his NJ form. He could either be a solid piece for us, or another trade chip. If things break right I could really see us flipping Barabanov and Duclair for 1sts at the deadline. Devils make the ECF and we go into the draft with 4 first round picks = prosper

I'd love to see Zetterlund and Duclair together on a line.

 

[Grinner]

Karlsson and Duclair to the Caps
Mantha, Kuzy, Leonard and a top 2 protected 2024 1st

 

[Jargon]

Anyone who watched Bystedt know what his timeline might be? I really hope he plays in the AHL this year but from everything I’ve gleaned it’s likely he’s back for one more season in the SHL and then will get a legitimate chance to make the team next summer.

Next summer is probably when the upswing to the rebuild begins. One year of Eklund, hopefully two of Guschin, Bordeleau, Robins can make the team in a significant way and ideally Bystedt and Havelid coming in to challenge for spots. I can see Grier starting to sign real players and not Bobby Fisticuffs at that point.