WSS11
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They don’t have a 1st for like the next 4 years so that’s fine.
Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II
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They don’t have a 1st for like the next 4 years so that’s fine.
Fantlli just signed in Cbus not goin to college
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Probably, though I could see Trotz going all out and loading up.
thrillermiller89
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I mean, odd to buy out Duchene and trade Johansen with 50% retained just to sign O’Reilly. It definitely seems to me that they wanted to be rid of those two guys, not that they didn’t like them as players.
Kyle Burroughs 3 @1.1 per.
We’re gonna be so bad next year.
We’re gonna be so bad next year.
Le Rosbeef
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Rick Dhaliwal described him as 'tough as nails' and an amazing teammate.
For $1.1 per, RHD, I can't understand any dissent to this.
I have none. I like him, but he’s not replacing anyone worse. These are our big moves.
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Why have one Matt Benning when you can have two!
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Serious question in middle of the Free Agency.
I've thinking a lot about how some teams rebuild forever even though they get ton of young talent, but never seem to make the next step (Buffalo comes to mind as example, but they really pushing right now and believe they'll be lock for playoffs fairly soon)
When do you guys think it's appropriate to end a rebuild? What players need to be ready for core to be set? When to start getting free agents and trade for value players?
Let's make it interesting, think this from Sharks perspective right now.
Who ever wants to give a thought on this, here is an easy copy paste form for that:
Marking spots:
ELITE/HIGH TOP 6/TOP 2:
Top 6 F/Top 4 D free agency, traded or drafted
Depth
Sharks
1: LW - C - RW
2: LW - C - RW
3. LW - C - RW
4 LW - C - RW
1. LD - RD
2. LD - RD
3. LD - RD
1. G
2. G
My view:
Sharks
1: LW - C - RW (doesn't matter if it's RW or LW)
2: LW - C - RW (doesn't matter if it's RW or LW)
3. LW - C - RW
4 LW - C - RW
1. LD - RD (doesn't matter if it's RD or LD)
2. LD - RD (doesn't matter if it's RD or LD)
3. LD - RD
1. G
2. G
In this scenario Sharks need to address 2 centers, 2 wingers, 2 defencemen and 1 goalie that are highly potential and ready for me to be happy to start shopping. Hopefully drafted, but unlikely it goes perfectly in that way since every player that you draft high is not guarantee to succeed, or there are just chemistry problems that don't make them work together.
I've thinking a lot about how some teams rebuild forever even though they get ton of young talent, but never seem to make the next step (Buffalo comes to mind as example, but they really pushing right now and believe they'll be lock for playoffs fairly soon)
When do you guys think it's appropriate to end a rebuild? What players need to be ready for core to be set? When to start getting free agents and trade for value players?
Let's make it interesting, think this from Sharks perspective right now.
Who ever wants to give a thought on this, here is an easy copy paste form for that:
Marking spots:
ELITE/HIGH TOP 6/TOP 2:
Top 6 F/Top 4 D free agency, traded or drafted
Depth
Sharks
1: LW - C - RW
2: LW - C - RW
3. LW - C - RW
4 LW - C - RW
1. LD - RD
2. LD - RD
3. LD - RD
1. G
2. G
My view:
Sharks
1: LW - C - RW (doesn't matter if it's RW or LW)
2: LW - C - RW (doesn't matter if it's RW or LW)
3. LW - C - RW
4 LW - C - RW
1. LD - RD (doesn't matter if it's RD or LD)
2. LD - RD (doesn't matter if it's RD or LD)
3. LD - RD
1. G
2. G
In this scenario Sharks need to address 2 centers, 2 wingers, 2 defencemen and 1 goalie that are highly potential and ready for me to be happy to start shopping. Hopefully drafted, but unlikely it goes perfectly in that way since every player that you draft high is not guarantee to succeed, or there are just chemistry problems that don't make them work together.
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I honestly don't think there is a right answer. It depends on too many variables.
The Sharks are honestly far too far away to worry about it. They just need to focus on getting more players who are actually good at hockey, at every position.
I also do not believe there is some positional magic formula, either. I don't think you need an elite 1C, or 1D, or goalie, or three second lines, or size, or whatever, and I don't think there's an easier path in any direction either.
What you need are good hockey players. Four elite wingers and two decent top-six centers is better than one elite center, one top-six center, and four decent top-six wingers.
jMoneyBrah
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IMO this is what is needed to exit rebuild and start transitioning to “win now” mode:
- legit 1D: strong preference to all situations capabilities over heavily skewed to offense or defense
- 1C: needs to be unquestionably 1C level, not 1C upside. Can be all offense as long as it’s elite level offense.
- 2C: again, solidly 2C level. Preferably a deployment foil to 1C, in that they can take on defensive role if 1C is skewing more offensive
- 2 legit top 4 defensive pairings.
- 3 legit top 6 wingers.
- solid 3C
- either one bonafide starting G or two strong platoon G
Lastly: a prospect pool that should, with high confidence, supply a steady stream plus middle 6 wingers and bottom 3 dmen.
- legit 1D: strong preference to all situations capabilities over heavily skewed to offense or defense
- 1C: needs to be unquestionably 1C level, not 1C upside. Can be all offense as long as it’s elite level offense.
- 2C: again, solidly 2C level. Preferably a deployment foil to 1C, in that they can take on defensive role if 1C is skewing more offensive
- 2 legit top 4 defensive pairings.
- 3 legit top 6 wingers.
- solid 3C
- either one bonafide starting G or two strong platoon G
Lastly: a prospect pool that should, with high confidence, supply a steady stream plus middle 6 wingers and bottom 3 dmen.
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I'm fully aware that there is more than one way to become a successful team and there is not one magic formula. (example Vegas is totally different from Tampa Bay and Colorado is different from St.Louis when they won their cups)
This was more of a how much Sharks need to fill those boxes for you to feel secure to start competing and actually trying to use free agency and trade deadline to your advantage. There is no wrong or right answer, just a poll for these boring and dull days of waiting for Sharks to become something. It's going to take a long time in any case.
jMoneyBrah
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I think the two things I would focus on in the transitioning to “win now” from the rebuild:
1. It should be a several season transition - the core group identified above should get a couple of playoff runs under their belt before meaningful assets are moved out to bring in big pieces to supplement the core.
2. Beyond the 1C and 1D, I would favor having a higher quantity of mid-tier grade upper lineup players over fewer elite top of the lineup players.
That is to say: I want three second lines, a defensively viable 4th line, and three second pairings over elite top line and elite top pairing. I would have two high quality second line wingers over one elite top line winger.
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Almost like St. Louis or Vegas? You could argument Vegas has some elite talent (Eichel, Stone, maybe Pietro), but they are well rounded across the whole team.
We don’t even know what we have yet. Way too soon to be counting our catch. Our prospect pool is the best it’s been. More potential than we ever saw under DW. But potential is just that and not a guarantee.
We aren’t even at our inverse peak.
We aren’t even at our inverse peak.
themelkman
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This is why we were a perennial playoff team with a Jumbo and Pavs in their prime down the middle with Hertl and Couture as well.
Another good day for GMMG and Sharks fans. I get the strong impression we are going to see a lot of youth on both the Cuda and Sharks this year, hence the signings who play a heavy game, high character guys, good teammates who will drop the mitts and standup for their teammates. The youth movement has begun. We will probably be in for one more rough year and a high draft pick but then Smith, Musty, Eklund, Bords, Gush, etc.
Jargon
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So, we have, currently:
Eklund - Hertl - Duclair
Petersen - Couture - Barabanov
Labanc - Sturm - Zetterlund
Kaut - Carpenter - New Guy Whose Name I Forgot
I’d still probably want to find an FA to step in for Petersen so we can bump him to the 3rd line but that’s kind of a fun team to watch? The defense will be atrocious!
Eklund - Hertl - Duclair
Petersen - Couture - Barabanov
Labanc - Sturm - Zetterlund
Kaut - Carpenter - New Guy Whose Name I Forgot
I’d still probably want to find an FA to step in for Petersen so we can bump him to the 3rd line but that’s kind of a fun team to watch? The defense will be atrocious!
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