Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Pinkfloyd]

We also haven’t had this high of picks in 20 years.

True but even then it didn't work out anywhere near like you'd hope for it to. I think Smith will be there but I don't view him as 1C caliber like they're hoping. I like the Musty pick. I'm kind of meh on the Halttunen pick but basically anything outside the top five or ten has a wide range of possible outcomes. If Smith just becomes a solid top six add and one of these picks works out to that level as well then it's a win. It's going to take a few drafts where they win like that to get close to competitive status. But I don't view it as all that realistic to expect all of the first three picks to hit.

 

[Gecklund]

True but even then it didn't work out anywhere near like you'd hope for it to. I think Smith will be there but I don't view him as 1C caliber like they're hoping. I like the Musty pick. I'm kind of meh on the Halttunen pick but basically anything outside the top five or ten has a wide range of possible outcomes. If Smith just becomes a solid top six add and one of these picks works out to that level as well then it's a win. It's going to take a few drafts where they win like that to get close to competitive status. But I don't view it as all that realistic to expect all of the first three picks to hit.

Everyone that is considered an expert or watched Smith play says he has elite 1C upside. Will he get there? Who knows but I mean to basically say “hopefully he’s a top 6 guy” is a bit of a take.

Musty had a coach that was a horrendous fit before this year. If MacKenzie was there 2 years ago, Musty would have been talked about easily as a top 15 pick.

Halttunen is a safe prospect. He’s got a wicked shot and the size to make it work. Is he going to be elite? Almost definitely not but it’s very easy to see a future with him as a middle 6 forward.

 

[STL Shark]

Could see Yamamoto brought in for a prove it deal where he'd get guaranteed top 6 and PP time to build value for the next contract.

Also feel like if Yamamoto is being bought out at $3.1M, there is no market conceivable for Labanc and he should have been bought out most likely.

 

[Friday]

Everyone that is considered an expert or watched Smith play says he has elite 1C upside. Will he get there? Who knows but I mean to basically say “hopefully he’s a top 6 guy” is a bit of a take.

Musty had a coach that was a horrendous fit before this year. If MacKenzie was there 2 years ago, Musty would have been talked about easily as a top 15 pick.

Halttunen is a safe prospect. He’s got a wicked shot and the size to make it work. Is he going to be elite? Almost definitely not but it’s very easy to see a future with him as a middle 6 forward.

I mean this isnt pro scouts or anything but I have a bunch of close Finland hockey friends and they go to HIFK games. Again, haha dont roast me here, they ALL think Halttunen shows nothing. Pretty much said the only time he looked good is when he played against teams like Italy in jrs. Im more hopeful than that. Either way hes a project with a lonnnng way to go. At least hes super young for this class

 

[Juxtaposer]

I’d like to sign Yamamoto to a one year contract. But I’m biased because I always want to sign players with Japanese ancestry.

Yeah, I think it’s like:

Eklund - Hertl - Yamamoto
Paccioretty - Couture - Barabanov
Peterson - Sturm - Labanc
Gregor - Lorentz - Zetterlund

I guess we’ll see which RFAs we sign too.

This is what I want.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Jargon said:
Yeah, I think it’s like:

Eklund - Hertl - Yamamoto
Paccioretty - Couture - Barabanov
Peterson - Sturm - Labanc
Gregor - Lorentz - Zetterlund

I guess we’ll see which RFAs we sign too.

The problem with that is if they can’t trade EK and Blackwood regains some average form that team picks 6-10 next year potentially.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Everyone that is considered an expert or watched Smith play says he has elite 1C upside. Will he get there? Who knows but I mean to basically say “hopefully he’s a top 6 guy” is a bit of a take.

Musty had a coach that was a horrendous fit before this year. If MacKenzie was there 2 years ago, Musty would have been talked about easily as a top 15 pick.

Halttunen is a safe prospect. He’s got a wicked shot and the size to make it work. Is he going to be elite? Almost definitely not but it’s very easy to see a future with him as a middle 6 forward.

Maybe so but I don't see Smith as good as most seem to and I don't see the raw talent or vision that it typically takes to be a 1C in the NHL. If he's a 2C, it's still a win but I still think Smith's peak is going to end up with him on the wing. I just don't think he's got the defensive chops or the versatility to cover the gap that's going to be there because his offensive talent is just not going to match up well to where 1C's are at in this day and age.

Like I said, I like the Musty pick. I think he'll be a solid contributor and work out well. I can easily see Halttunen busting but that's also normal for 2nd round picks. Bordeleau is tracking that way as well.

 

[Juxtaposer]

The problem with that is if they can’t trade EK and Blackwood regains some average form that team picks 6-10 next year potentially.

Yamamoto is bad and Paccioretty is always hurt. I’m not expecting more than 40 points from Eklund, which is pretty bad for a first liner, and who knows if Hertl can hit more than 60 without Meier?

I think a Karlsson deal will get done in about a week, when free agency is over and Hanifin has been traded, and teams circle back to Karlsson being the only meaningful defenseman available.

 

[STL Shark]

The problem with that is if they can’t trade EK and Blackwood regains some average form that team picks 6-10 next year potentially.

Have you seen our backend defensively? Teams that were below us in the draft or are rebuilding have all gotten better or will likely not take on a ton of bad injury luck. Chicago is probably 10 points better just having Bedard next year. CBJ had atrocious injury luck and have also added a pair of top 4 D-Men. Anaheim should continue to improve with Zegras and Mactavish getting more developed. MTL should be better, but are probably about on par with SJ. Philly is right there in our tier as well. Beyond that, the rest of the league is not really even close to SJ level bad.

I fully expect a Karlsson deal to happen and when it does, would not be shocked to see one of the centers moved as well. We're pretty firmly setup to be picking top 3 next year barring some huge statistical anomaly in goaltending turnaround and UFA moves.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Have you seen our backend defensively? Teams that were below us in the draft or are rebuilding have all gotten better or will likely not take on a ton of bad injury luck. Chicago is probably 10 points better just having Bedard next year. CBJ had atrocious injury luck and have also added a pair of top 4 D-Men. Anaheim should continue to improve with Zegras and Mactavish getting more developed. MTL should be better, but are probably about on par with SJ. Philly is right there in our tier as well. Beyond that, the rest of the league is not really even close to SJ level bad.

I fully expect a Karlsson deal to happen and when it does, would not be shocked to see one of the centers moved as well. We're pretty firmly setup to be picking top 3 next year barring some huge statistical anomaly in goaltending turnaround and UFA moves.

Calgary and Philly can be that bad depending on the types of moves made.

 

[Hodge]

According to Frank Seravalli Blackwood thinks he can get more as a UFA than what the Sharks are offering (believed to be around the Ilya Samsonov contract so 1.5x1). Possible we don’t qualify him and he becomes a free agent.

 

[themelkman]

According to Frank Seravalli Blackwood thinks he can get more as a UFA than what the Sharks are offering (believed to be around the Ilya Samsonov contract so 1.5x1). Possible we don’t qualify him and he becomes a free agent.

What a dumbass trade then. Why waste the asset on a guy you aren’t willing to pay.

Just offer him 1.5 that won’t matter for us at all

Yeah Labanc isn’t going anywhere. Maybe if we retained 50 which is a bad idea given we already will have two retention spots gone with burns and Karlsson

 

[Hodge]

What a dumbass trade then. Why waste the asset on a guy you aren’t willing to pay.

Just offer him 1.5 that won’t matter for us at all

Yeah Labanc isn’t going anywhere. Maybe if we retained 50 which is a bad idea given we already will have two retention spots gone with burns and Karlsson

Sorry if it was unclear, the Sharks are (reportedly) offering him 1.5x1 or whatever Samsonov got from the Leafs. Blackwood thinks he can get more. Doesn’t make a lot of sense for us to qualify him for 3.6M.

 

[themelkman]

Sorry if it was unclear, the Sharks are (reportedly) offering him 1.5x1 or whatever Samsonov got from the Leafs. Blackwood thinks he can get more. Doesn’t make a lot of sense for us to qualify him for 3.6M.

No, but I’m confused why we traded for him then. If he’s not worth his QO then why not make an offer in UFA

 

[Hodge]

No, but I’m confused why we traded for him then. If he’s not worth his QO then why not make an offer in UFA

Probably thought Blackwood knew he wasn’t getting qualified by anyone so wanted first crack at negotiating with him as a UFA. I’m sure he’d sign something close to what Kahkonen got but doesn’t sound like Sharks are willing to go there.

 

[themelkman]

Probably thought Blackwood knew he wasn’t getting qualified by anyone so wanted first crack at negotiating with him as a UFA. I’m sure he’d sign something close to what Kahkonen got but doesn’t sound like Sharks are willing to go there.

I know a 6th isn’t worth splitting hairs over, but considering our position and how Blackwood isn’t even a good goalie, it’s just bad asset management.

 

[pappaf2]

trying to show their good faith by spending an asset on him in hopes of him taking a lesser cost deal.

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

Could see Yamamoto brought in for a prove it deal where he'd get guaranteed top 6 and PP time to build value for the next contract.

Also feel like if Yamamoto is being bought out at $3.1M, there is no market conceivable for Labanc and he should have been bought out most likely.

I tried to say that. Grier would have actually been better off signing Reaves for 1x4 and buying out Labanc instead of keeping Labanc for.... some reason? At least you'd get an asset with Reaves. It makes no feasible sense to not buy out Labanc.

Yamamoto is worse than Labanc so I'd pass, I just don't understand why Labanc has such a long leash.

 

[Bizz]

Nashville going all in on the tank.

 

[themelkman]

Dallas not buying out Suter puts them pretty off the table for a Karlsson deal, unless he is part of that trade (he has a NMC)

 

[SjMilhouse]

Could see Yamamoto brought in for a prove it deal where he'd get guaranteed top 6 and PP time to build value for the next contract.

Also feel like if Yamamoto is being bought out at $3.1M, there is no market conceivable for Labanc and he should have been bought out most likely.

Team sucked last year, will suck again this year. No issue not buying out Labanc, his contract expires this year and it doesn't really mean much in the grand scheme that is out terrible team

 

[Hodge]

Nashville going all in on the tank.

Not as long as they still have Saros they’re not.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Blackwood would be smart to sign with SJ if he wants to improve his career as there will be plenty of ice time.

I think he is trying to get the most money possible this year because it’s probably his last NHL contract.

 

[one2gamble]

Blackwood would be smart to sign with SJ if he wants to improve his career as there will be plenty of ice time.

I think he is trying to get the most money possible this year because it’s probably his last NHL contract.

icetime on a shitty team isnt going to help a goalie. I dont think he gets more money from anyone but he might get a better defense in front of him

I saw Markus Nutivaara retired on twitter.

Great signing guys....

 

[LadyStanley]