Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Eggdoh]

I wouldn't hate it if the Sharks gave Johnny Quick a 1Mx2, because let's face it none of our goalie prospects are even close to being NHL caliber/ready.



This.

Vegas won a Cup because they had a GM that had the cajones to do what was needed and wouldn't take losing as an option, loyalty be damned. If the Eichel trade and Kessel FA signing doesn't happen, I doubt they even make the playoffs this year.

Any GM that doesn't try to win a Cup every year is useless and doesn't deserve a job in the NHL.

Neither is Johnny Quick, but I do think it would be funny to see him go out with a wet fart putting up an .850 save percentage on the Sharks.

 

[Le Rosbeef]

San Jose Hockey Now is the only noteworthy sharks publication now that The Athletic cut it's Sharks coverage. It's $3 month and pretty worthwhile.

In season, maybe. Some of the offseason coverage is dismal, imo. A lot of misleading headlines to catch attention that then doesn't offer much in article.

I miss David Pollack,,,

 

[tiburon12]

In season, maybe. Some of the offseason coverage is dismal, imo. A lot of misleading headlines to catch attention that then doesn't offer much in article.

I miss David Pollack,,,

I get that Sheng has to pay the bills and generate content, and I know that;'s not easy, but the clickbait BS is grating and making me avoid all his content. I hate getting burned

 

[OrrNumber4]

I get that Sheng has to pay the bills and generate content, and I know that;'s not easy, but the clickbait BS is grating and making me avoid all his content. I hate getting burned

I can forgive that. He has to pay the bills; how many subscribers can he even have?

What I dislike is when he tempers his criticism in order to maintain his relationships around the league.

 

[Le Rosbeef]

...What I dislike is when he tempers his criticism in order to maintain his relationships around the league.

...and then uses it passive-aggressively towards labelling Matvei Michkov?

 

[STL Shark]

Luck implies that Vegas did nothing to plan around weaponizing their cap space, maximizing their returns, and taking advantage of all teams. Yes they were given very favorable expansion rules (expected given the giant expansion fee), but they certainly made use of it.

Again, luck implies that they just shrugged their shoulders and took Karlsson/Smith/etc. and were pleasantly surprised when those guys did so well. You're giving no credit to their pro scouting staff, which has a great track record.

I'm not trying to argue the luck vs skill point though. They played a great game of leveraging everything they could and scouting some guys that fit the fast skating in your face style they wanted to play off the bat with Gallant (both are skills). There is luck in it turning out as well as it did (nobody in their right or wrong mind had 50 points in 183 games William Karlsson turning into a 50+ point per year guy on their list of potential outcomes), but they executed the plan that they were lucky enough to have in front of them (something Seattle did not have the luxury of even 4 years later).

All of that said, my point is that Vegas still did rebuild to build its championship roster. It wasn't traditional, but they got the whole point of rebuilding (loads of future assets and young players) without having to undergo the years of sucking and selling off pieces like Karlsson, Meier, Burns, etc. The reason teams tank and rebuild is to get high draft picks and sell their veterans for future high draft picks (to either use to draft players or trade for young/prime aged guys).

 

[landshark]

There's not too many sharks players to really pay attention to right now.

Hertl is a big body possession center who is usually at his best down low and along the boards but he's been inconsistent the last couple years.

Couture is a cerebral 2 way forward that's more of a scorer than a passer. Somewhat maligned in the regular season but might have found a better fit with Quinn.

Barabanov is a skilled puck carrier with a lot of tenacity. Does a good job using his agility and finesse on entries and protecting pucks on the boards.

Sturm is a big body bottom 6 center. Kinda a classic stereotype there but not much offensive instinct. Has a strong drive to win and can clutch things out on individual efforts from time to time.

Lorentz is a good forechecking 4th line center. Good aggression, not much skill.

Gregor...speedy with hands of stone unless it's to ruin the sharks tank.

Karlsson is Karlsson. The system is tailor made to let him pinch aggressively from the blue line so he can end up down low in the offensive zone frequently. May not be around for much longer.

Ferraro is an overly aggressive defensive defenseman whose instincts tell him to attack on both ends of the ice more than he really should.

Knyzhov and Thrun are both young defensive defensemen with potential. Knyzhov was injured for a while but he's got a toolsy kit but still pretty raw. Thrun is less toolsy but seems to have a good hockey IQ.

Prospects to watch: Eklund, Gushchin, Bordeleau, and probably a few more coming up and down next year.


San Jose Hockey Now is the only noteworthy sharks publication now that The Athletic cut it's Sharks coverage. It's $3 month and pretty worthwhile.

You left off Zetterlund who (according to our devil friends) is the centerpiece of the whole Timo trade.

 

[STL Shark]

NHL offseason dominoes: How trades for Karlsson, Saros, Dubois could alter the landscape

What happens if the Ducks don't take Adam Fantilli at No. 2 overall? We examine the downstream impacts of potential summer blockbusters.

www.espn.com

Wyshynski proposes EK65 to FLA for Edmonton's 2024 1st, FLA 2023 2nd, and Luostarinen (Edmonton trades for Montour to get FLA the 1st rounder).

Think the concept is fair except for the fact that I'd prefer the Montour pick to be a 2023 from somewhere or from a team that is not a surefire playoff lock in a crappy division (say maybe Dallas). Would also need a prospect or additional 2nd rounder to make the deal worthwhile. 1st, 2nd, and almost 25 year old is meh for a rebuilding team (know that I was good with it earlier, but thinking through it now I think you need more with Luostarinen's age). If that was the return, I'd probably try and flip Luostarinen for another 1st+ given he's only making $1.5M this year and is an RFA after the season. That or ask for Lundell instead and give FLA Sturm back in the deal as well to fill their 3/4C role during their contention window.

 

[hohosaregood]

You left off Zetterlund who (according to our devil friends) is the centerpiece of the whole Timo trade.

i thought about including him but i didn't notice him enough to say anything worthwhile. sad lol

 

[TheBeard]

NHL offseason dominoes: How trades for Karlsson, Saros, Dubois could alter the landscape

What happens if the Ducks don't take Adam Fantilli at No. 2 overall? We examine the downstream impacts of potential summer blockbusters.

www.espn.com

Wyshynski proposes EK65 to FLA for Edmonton's 2024 1st, FLA 2023 2nd, and Luostarinen (Edmonton trades for Montour to get FLA the 1st rounder).

Think the concept is fair except for the fact that I'd prefer the Montour pick to be a 2023 from somewhere or from a team that is not a surefire playoff lock in a crappy division (say maybe Dallas). Would also need a prospect or additional 2nd rounder to make the deal worthwhile. 1st, 2nd, and almost 25 year old is meh for a rebuilding team (know that I was good with it earlier, but thinking through it now I think you need more with Luostarinen's age). If that was the return, I'd probably try and flip Luostarinen for another 1st+ given he's only making $1.5M this year and is an RFA after the season. That or ask for Lundell instead and give FLA Sturm back in the deal as well to fill their 3/4C role during their contention window.

I'd take Lundell, a first and a second for EK in a second. How much retention are we looking at?

 

[Bizz]

Kassian being bought out. Would be a sweet pickup for our 4th line at league minimum.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

EK to Florida makes a lot of sense from the outside looking in. As an ESPN article I read recently said, i think it’s fair to assume a 3rd team would need to be in on it to make it work.

 

[Barrie22]

EK to Florida makes a lot of sense from the outside looking in. As an ESPN article I read recently said, i think it’s fair to assume a 3rd team would need to be in on it to make it work.

If there is no 3rd team, then Florida is the last team to trade with.

 

[LadyStanley]

Think the concept is fair except for the fact that I'd prefer the Montour pick to be a 2023 from somewhere or from a team that is not a surefire playoff lock in a crappy division (say maybe Dallas).

2023 picks are already set and will be used in less than 10 days.

2024 OTOH.....

 

[dzubrus8]

There's not too many sharks players to really pay attention to right now.

Hertl is a big body possession center who is usually at his best down low and along the boards but he's been inconsistent the last couple years.

Couture is a cerebral 2 way forward that's more of a scorer than a passer. Somewhat maligned in the regular season but might have found a better fit with Quinn.

Barabanov is a skilled puck carrier with a lot of tenacity. Does a good job using his agility and finesse on entries and protecting pucks on the boards.

Sturm is a big body bottom 6 center. Kinda a classic stereotype there but not much offensive instinct. Has a strong drive to win and can clutch things out on individual efforts from time to time.

Lorentz is a good forechecking 4th line center. Good aggression, not much skill.

Gregor...speedy with hands of stone unless it's to ruin the sharks tank.

Karlsson is Karlsson. The system is tailor made to let him pinch aggressively from the blue line so he can end up down low in the offensive zone frequently. May not be around for much longer.

Ferraro is an overly aggressive defensive defenseman whose instincts tell him to attack on both ends of the ice more than he really should.

Knyzhov and Thrun are both young defensive defensemen with potential. Knyzhov was injured for a while but he's got a toolsy kit but still pretty raw. Thrun is less toolsy but seems to have a good hockey IQ.

Prospects to watch: Eklund, Gushchin, Bordeleau, and probably a few more coming up and down next year.


San Jose Hockey Now is the only noteworthy sharks publication now that The Athletic cut it's Sharks coverage. It's $3 month and pretty worthwhile.

this is awesome, thank you for sending. Sounds like 3 top-6 forwards, 3 bottom-6 forwards right now. Where does a guy like Labanc fit in? I saw that Gregor had a late season hat trick that I can't imagine helped with draft positioning XD

Defensively I thought there was a lot of excitement around Ferraro but looks like a rough year for him. How did Benning and Nutivaara do?

Sounds like next year could be extremely dreary if/when the team trades EK...

Is the goalie situation as bad as people are letting on? what's the cap look like?

Welcome to the world (and board) of pain.

I'm a Devils fan who watched the team through some really painful years. I'm ready for this!

You left off Zetterlund who (according to our devil friends) is the centerpiece of the whole Timo trade.

I was not as hot on Z as others were but his underperformance has been astonishing. hard nosed, heavy player who attacks the boards. really would've thought he'd be a heart and soul middle-6 player for you all like a Blake Coleman

 

[Cas]

this is awesome, thank you for sending. Sounds like 3 top-6 forwards, 3 bottom-6 forwards right now. Where does a guy like Labanc fit in? I saw that Gregor had a late season hat trick that I can't imagine helped with draft positioning XD

Defensively I thought there was a lot of excitement around Ferraro but looks like a rough year for him. How did Benning and Nutivaara do?

Is the goalie situation as bad as people are letting on? what's the cap look like?


I'm a Devils fan who watched the team through some really painful years. I'm ready for this!



I was not as hot on Z as others were but his underperformance has been astonishing. hard nosed, heavy player who attacks the boards. really would've thought he'd be a heart and soul middle-6 player for you all like a Blake Coleman

Labanc basically doesn't fit - he doesn't have the coach's trust. Lots of stupid minor penalties.

Gregor is nothing special - fourth-line filler playing higher because we have no choice. He's fast but has zero offensive creativity at all and no shot.

Benning is a 7th defenseman playing everyday because we're that bad. He's slow and unsteady.

Nuttivara is done for - missed the entire season to injury.

The goalie situation is worse than you can imagine.

 

[Pavelski2112]

this is awesome, thank you for sending. Sounds like 3 top-6 forwards, 3 bottom-6 forwards right now. Where does a guy like Labanc fit in? I saw that Gregor had a late season hat trick that I can't imagine helped with draft positioning XD

Defensively I thought there was a lot of excitement around Ferraro but looks like a rough year for him. How did Benning and Nutivaara do?

Sounds like next year could be extremely dreary if/when the team trades EK...

Is the goalie situation as bad as people are letting on? what's the cap look like?


I'm a Devils fan who watched the team through some really painful years. I'm ready for this!



I was not as hot on Z as others were but his underperformance has been astonishing. hard nosed, heavy player who attacks the boards. really would've thought he'd be a heart and soul middle-6 player for you all like a Blake Coleman

Labanc is one of the most frustrating players in recent Sharks history. Unbelievably inconsistent. At his best he's a solid top-6 winger, at his worst he provides nothing of value, and you could get either one on any given night.

Benning is a terrible defenseman but looked better as the season went on, and Nutivaara didn't even play a game due to injury.

 

[ThePlanet]

If the Sharks are going after a reclamation project, it should be Pacioretty.

And sign Josh Gorges to a minor league contract. Time for the Craig Rivet trade to come full circle.

Edit: tiburon12 beat me to it.

 

[landshark]

I was not as hot on Z as others were but his underperformance has been astonishing. hard nosed, heavy player who attacks the boards. really would've thought he'd be a heart and soul middle-6 player for you all like a Blake Coleman

Null perspiration. I was cracking wise. Welcome aboard.

Hit up @The Nemesis for your Sharks Kleenex voucher, draft day is coming...

 

[STL Shark]

I'd take Lundell, a first and a second for EK in a second. How much retention are we looking at?

Didn't say. The ESPN article said hang up if SJ wants Lundell, but I think there is a path there if we add something to the pot in terms of retention and other pieces (Sturm, Benning, Ferraro, etc.)

2023 picks are already set and will be used in less than 10 days.

2024 OTOH.....

I'd like the 2023 pick if Montour is part of it just to start to get some more immediate return, but if it's a 2024 pick then I prefer it be a fringier playoff team than Edmonton (who would be a force with Montour and Ekholm added to their defense for a full season to go along with Bouchard). That pick would assuredly be in the late 20's and you'd have to wait a year for it. I'm fine with a later pick in this deeper draft where there are supposedly a ton of draftable guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, plus it gives us ammo to move around the board.

 

[Grinner]

Kassian being bought out. Would be a sweet pickup for our 4th line at league minimum.

The guy was a Shark killer

 

[Pavelski2112]

1st+2nd+Lundell would be an amazing return for EK, and I'd retain quite a bit to make that happen

Kassian would only be good if you want to tank again next year, which we do, so he'd be a perfect signing

 

[Jargon]

To follow up on the prospects:

Eklund: Quick, slick little water bug playmaker who recently added a shot to his bag of tools. Insane hockey sense, people can’t hit him because he’s so quick and processes the game at a high pace. His development got messed up a bit after he was sent back to Sweden in his first year (despite playing 9 games in the NHL and looking good) but he rebuilt and got better and better in the AHL this team. He almost certainly going to be on the team next year and he’s really, really good. There’s discussion about whether he’ll hit his ceiling of a star top winger (I think yes, just needs time) but he’s really fun and our best prospect currently.

Bordeleau: having trouble getting a read on him. He was a shifty playmaker, but scored a bunch in the AHL and then cooled off. Has potential to be a 3C with an off chance of maybe a 2C if everything everything everything goes right.

Guschin: highly talented tiny skilled winger with a laser shot and great hands. He’s top 6 or bust but I’m really high on him. I think he’s going to just keep getting better and end up being one of our core. People are going to laugh at me, but I predict at least one 30 goal season from him — it’s just going to take a bit to get there.

Mukhmudullin: you know him! He’s our only good D prospect (unless you count Thrun and Knyzhov but they’re definitely NHLers now).

 

[Pavelski2112]

To follow up on the prospects:

Eklund: Quick, slick little water bug playmaker who recently added a shot to his bag of tools. Insane hockey sense, people can’t hit him because he’s so quick and processes the game at a high pace. His development got messed up a bit after he was sent back to Sweden in his first year (despite playing 9 games in the NHL and looking good) but he rebuilt and got better and better in the AHL this team. He almost certainly going to be on the team next year and he’s really, really good. There’s discussion about whether he’ll hit his ceiling of a star top winger (I think yes, just needs time) but he’s really fun and our best prospect currently.

Bordeleau: having trouble getting a read on him. He was a shifty playmaker, but scored a bunch in the AHL and then cooled off. Has potential to be a 3C with an off chance of maybe a 2C if everything everything everything goes right.

Guschin: highly talented tiny skilled winger with a laser shot and great hands. He’s top 6 or bust but I’m really high on him. I think he’s going to just keep getting better and end up being one of our core. People are going to laugh at me, but I predict at least one 30 goal season from him — it’s just going to take a bit to get there.

Mukhmudullin: you know him! He’s our only good D prospect (unless you count Thrun and Knyzhov but they’re definitely NHLers now).

To add to Bords: he needs to work on his hustle and defensive ability. He has skill and is money on the PP for the Cuda but has gotten pushed around a bit much in the NHL and gets lost in his own zone from time to time.

 

[Jargon]

To add to Bords: he needs to work on his hustle and defensive ability. He has skill and is money on the PP for the Cuda but has gotten pushed around a bit much in the NHL and gets lost in his own zone from time to time.

Yes!

Also, I somehow forgot about Bystedt, Lund and Havelid.

Bystedt: giant center (maybe winger?) who skates really well. We traded back last year to get him and he felt like a reach last year but had a great showcase this year and is looking like a really good move by Grier. I’d say his floor is as a very good 3C, and he’s got a high end 2C/top line winger ceiling.

Havelid: super slick skating offensive defenseman. Had an injury this year but still looks like a fun top 4 OFD. Can’t wait to see more of him.

Lund: not quite sure I understand him yet. He skates well and is big and has a laser shot, but kind of can’t tell his potential - someone else might be able to break him down better.