Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

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Bad look doing that to guys. $650k on the books for 2024-25 is worth less than holding a guy hostage and the potential risk of how people view the organization.
Wouldn't he have to go through waivers to be sent to the AHL? I don't think it's a bad look if he is unplayable in the NHL and goes unclaimed. No one is owed a buyout because they underperform their contract.
 
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Think it is pretty unlikely and I doubt that even Simek wants to be around next year. Feel like he'd rather get bought out and go back to Europe than play another year injured and with an org that he feels has slighted him (based off the media comments). He's best case an extra D-Man next year in SJ. Thrun, Knyzhov, Ferraro, and Vlasic are all for sure ahead of him. Then you have Okhotiuk, Muk, and Kniazev that are probably pushing up the depth chart as well and make more sense than an expiring Simek at 31 years old at this stage of our building process.
I don’t think Simek has the same issues as last year under Boughner. They’ve played him pretty consistently when he’s been healthy. I think he’d be fine finishing out his final year when he’ll get 1.95 mil for doing so. If Karlsson is gone, we’d have Vlasic, Ferraro, Benning, MacDonald, Thrun, and Knyzhov for sure. Adding Simek to that mix isn’t a problem. I don’t think any of the kids you’re talking about pushing up the depth chart are likely to do so next year so just ride it out.
 
I hope we see Ozzy and Robbins, and maybe Muk up for the rest of the season. Let the young guys get a taste so they know what to work on over the summer
 
Wouldn't he have to go through waivers to be sent to the AHL? I don't think it's a bad look if he is unplayable in the NHL and goes unclaimed. No one is owed a buyout because they underperform their contract.
So hold the guy hostage and play him as an AHLer because the organization gave him too much money? He totally should have said that "You know DW, that $2.25M is probably more than I'm worth. Maybe make it $1.5M so someone might add me off waivers."

If there were multiple years on the deal like Vlasic, then no he's not "owed" a buyout. When the cap penalty is a total nothing burger for a rebuilding organization ($650k when half our lineup is going to be on ELCs and Karlsson will be gone qualifies as that), it's the right thing to do for both player and organization. For the org, it is a sign of good faith to a player and also opens up a spot for a young player to get minutes in either the AHL or NHL.
 
Simek cannot be assigned to AHL this season, except on conditioning loan for which he does not qualify, as he was not on AHL roster at NHL TDL. He would have to go through waivers to be assigned.
 
So hold the guy hostage and play him as an AHLer because the organization gave him too much money? He totally should have said that "You know DW, that $2.25M is probably more than I'm worth. Maybe make it $1.5M so someone might add me off waivers."

If there were multiple years on the deal like Vlasic, then no he's not "owed" a buyout. When the cap penalty is a total nothing burger for a rebuilding organization ($650k when half our lineup is going to be on ELCs and Karlsson will be gone qualifies as that), it's the right thing to do for both player and organization. For the org, it is a sign of good faith to a player and also opens up a spot for a young player to get minutes in either the AHL or NHL.
I don't think sending a guy down is "holding him hostage" when every other team in the league has a chance to claim him.

I'm not saying send him down just to send him down. But IF he can't make the top 7-8 defensemen on this team, he is being sent down for performance reasons. Every team will have a chance at him.

Nothing about this screams holding a player hostage. Player isn't good enough to make NHL team -> sent to AHL.
 
I don't think sending a guy down is "holding him hostage" when every other team in the league has a chance to claim him.

I'm not saying send him down just to send him down. But IF he can't make the top 7-8 defensemen on this team, he is being sent down for performance reasons. Every team will have a chance at him.

Nothing about this screams holding a player hostage. Player isn't good enough to make NHL team -> sent to AHL.
I just don't see where the push is to send Simek down or buy him out. If he can't be dealt, just ride it out.
 
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I just don't see where the push is to send Simek down or buy him out. If he can't be dealt, just ride it out.
The scenario is if he gets beat out by 7-8 other guys, I don't think we have to buy him out. Like you said, he will probably have a spot assuming EK65 gets traded,
 
So hold the guy hostage and play him as an AHLer because the organization gave him too much money? He totally should have said that "You know DW, that $2.25M is probably more than I'm worth. Maybe make it $1.5M so someone might add me off waivers."
Waiving him and letting every other team in the league have a chance at him seems like the most opposite thing allowed to holding him hostage.
 
Waiving him and letting every other team in the league have a chance at him seems like the most opposite thing allowed to holding him hostage.
You know that's disingenuous just as much as I do. Waiving him at $2.25M is not the same as letting everyone have a chance at him. He's not worth $2.25M and nobody is claiming him at that amount (and only a few teams will even have the cap space for that amount at the time he'd be waived at the end of training camp).

It's not his fault that the old GM gave him too much money. Forcing him to the AHL because of that when the buyout is literally $100k less than a league minimum contract the following year is garbage handling of a player. Buy him out and let him be a UFA when the market opens and see if he finds a league minimum deal somewhere. If not, he can go play hockey back in Europe. All of those are better scenarios than playing for the Cuda.
 
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You know that's disingenuous just as much as I do. Waiving him at $2.25M is not the same as letting everyone have a chance at him. He's not worth $2.25M and nobody is claiming him at that amount (and only a few teams will even have the cap space for that amount at the time he'd be waived at the end of training camp).

It's not his fault that the old GM gave him too much money. Forcing him to the AHL because of that when the buyout is literally $100k less than a league minimum contract the following year is garbage handling of a player. Buy him out and let him be a UFA when the market opens and see if he finds a league minimum deal somewhere. If not, he can go play hockey back in Europe. All of those are better scenarios than playing for the Cuda.
I agree that waiving him at 2.25 mil isn't the same as the ability to sign him for the minimum but I don't see it as the Sharks holding him hostage when they can and have played him extensively when healthy. At this stage, I feel like the most likely outcome to this upcoming offseason is trading Karlsson and continuing to run out the clock on a bunch of these contracts. I think you could buy out Simek but you don't have to either. The only guys next year to be concerned with potentially making room for is Thrun (but he could be sent down to the Barracuda next year) and Muk (who also may need a year with the Barracuda). I'd look to move Karlsson without taking back a defenseman to allow some flexibility with those two, then maybe find a team to rent Simek to at the deadline, and promote whoever's playing the best out of those two then.
 
You know that's disingenuous just as much as I do. Waiving him at $2.25M is not the same as letting everyone have a chance at him. He's not worth $2.25M and nobody is claiming him at that amount (and only a few teams will even have the cap space for that amount at the time he'd be waived at the end of training camp).

It's not his fault that the old GM gave him too much money. Forcing him to the AHL because of that when the buyout is literally $100k less than a league minimum contract the following year is garbage handling of a player. Buy him out and let him be a UFA when the market opens and see if he finds a league minimum deal somewhere. If not, he can go play hockey back in Europe. All of those are better scenarios than playing for the Cuda.
It isn’t Simek’s fault that he signed his current contract? You don’t think that he and his agent talked through it and tried to maximize its value and were aware of the potential risks? Bad contracts are a two way street.

It seems like not too long ago misfortune wasn’t always someone else’s fault…

The team doesn't owe Simek a buyout to help him out of the trouble caused by his overly generous contract they gave him, and his best life option may very well be to play out the current contract to maximize his earnings. He is 30-years old and has had concussion issues so his future options may be limited.

And if he wants out, mutual contract termination is always an option.
 
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You know that's disingenuous just as much as I do. Waiving him at $2.25M is not the same as letting everyone have a chance at him. He's not worth $2.25M and nobody is claiming him at that amount (and only a few teams will even have the cap space for that amount at the time he'd be waived at the end of training camp).

It's not his fault that the old GM gave him too much money. Forcing him to the AHL because of that when the buyout is literally $100k less than a league minimum contract the following year is garbage handling of a player. Buy him out and let him be a UFA when the market opens and see if he finds a league minimum deal somewhere. If not, he can go play hockey back in Europe. All of those are better scenarios than playing for the Cuda.
I disagree. I usually agree with your posts but here you are wrong. I don’t think the Sharks should be obligated to buy him out instead of sending him down and I don’t think Simek would even prefer to be bought out. Simek signed this contract for financial security. He signed a one way deal that guaranteed him $9M. He is still owed $2M and if he is bought out he loses $1.3M. That’s a lot of money for a guy who would like his hockey earnings to last for the rest of his life. I think Simek will be with the Sharks until his contract ends but IF he loses his spot, it’s in everyones best interest to just send him down.
 
One benefit of having the AHL team in the same city is that sending down a player like Simek doesn’t affect any of the non hockey parts of his life. If anything it leads to a better travel schedule only traveling for shorter weekend trips. He won’t have to move and still gets to show up to work at the same location as if he isn’t sent down. Unless he wants to go back to Europe for personal reasons he would probably prefer to be sent down then lose 1.3 million in a buyout that doesn’t save the sharks any cap space.
 
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Seeing all the talking heads from so many different places discuss why Karlsson should not win the Norris, makes me think there's a good chance he's not winning the Norris.
I think a lot of it is just column inches and hot takes for engagement. I've argued that it shouldn't be a points trophy in the past, and still believe the Norris should go to the best all-around defenseman instead of the best scorer from the back. I probably argued here that Vlasic should've gotten votes prior to ~2014-15.

But this is literally a performance we haven't seen in a generation, and anybody watching more than clips on YouTube from this Sharks season could tell you that Karlsson isn't just the straw that stirs the drink, he's the whole goddamn glass. Adam Fox, Cale Makar, Miro Heiskanen, Hampus Lindholm? All great players having great seasons. Karlsson is having a season that only five players in the history of the league have bested, and none of those guys are on the list. Arguing that he isn't the player who has "demonstrated the most all-round ability" because he's -21 on a team that's overall -82 is disingenuous at best.
 
I think a lot of it is just column inches and hot takes for engagement. I've argued that it shouldn't be a points trophy in the past, and still believe the Norris should go to the best all-around defenseman instead of the best scorer from the back. I probably argued here that Vlasic should've gotten votes prior to ~2014-15.

But this is literally a performance we haven't seen in a generation, and anybody watching more than clips on YouTube from this Sharks season could tell you that Karlsson isn't just the straw that stirs the drink, he's the whole goddamn glass. Adam Fox, Cale Makar, Miro Heiskanen, Hampus Lindholm? All great players having great seasons. Karlsson is having a season that only five players in the history of the league have bested, and none of those guys are on the list. Arguing that he isn't the player who has "demonstrated the most all-round ability" because he's -21 on a team that's overall -82 is disingenuous at best.
It is the trend with our media in general. Their job has largely become entertainment - hot takes to attract clicks rather than objectively reporting the news or publishing well-supported, uncontroversial opinion.
 
I disagree. I usually agree with your posts but here you are wrong. I don’t think the Sharks should be obligated to buy him out instead of sending him down and I don’t think Simek would even prefer to be bought out. Simek signed this contract for financial security. He signed a one way deal that guaranteed him $9M. He is still owed $2M and if he is bought out he loses $1.3M. That’s a lot of money for a guy who would like his hockey earnings to last for the rest of his life. I think Simek will be with the Sharks until his contract ends but IF he loses his spot, it’s in everyones best interest to just send him down.
He loses $650k from a buyout compared to his salary and has the opportunity to sign a league minimum deal for $775k and come out $125k ahead actually.
 
I agree that waiving him at 2.25 mil isn't the same as the ability to sign him for the minimum but I don't see it as the Sharks holding him hostage when they can and have played him extensively when healthy. At this stage, I feel like the most likely outcome to this upcoming offseason is trading Karlsson and continuing to run out the clock on a bunch of these contracts. I think you could buy out Simek but you don't have to either. The only guys next year to be concerned with potentially making room for is Thrun (but he could be sent down to the Barracuda next year) and Muk (who also may need a year with the Barracuda). I'd look to move Karlsson without taking back a defenseman to allow some flexibility with those two, then maybe find a team to rent Simek to at the deadline, and promote whoever's playing the best out of those two then.
I don't see a way that he's a regular when he's only playing 14:50 a night on an even worse defense group. If he were churning out 18-20 a night, then I'd buy into the staff liking and valuing him over merely needing a warm body to put on the ice on defense.

At best, he's behind Ferraro, Vlasic, Knyzhov, and Thrun. So that means he's the 5th LHD. Move Ferraro and that puts him as the #4 LHD assuming Okhotiuk doesn't take his place (play a similar game and I'd play the 22 going on 23 year old that doesn't project beyond a bottom pairing anyway on the bottom pairing over Simek). Then you have Muk who will probably be ready for promotion to the NHL by midseason as well.

Think a buyout is best for all parties involved. There won't be a trade destination for him without retention and we won't get anything in return for him to justify wasting a retention slot on him when we can just eat $650k the year after next and turn him loose. It's either that or he's injured yet again and rides the year out on LTIR.
 
I don't see a way that he's a regular when he's only playing 14:50 a night on an even worse defense group. If he were churning out 18-20 a night, then I'd buy into the staff liking and valuing him over merely needing a warm body to put on the ice on defense.

At best, he's behind Ferraro, Vlasic, Knyzhov, and Thrun. So that means he's the 5th LHD. Move Ferraro and that puts him as the #4 LHD assuming Okhotiuk doesn't take his place (play a similar game and I'd play the 22 going on 23 year old that doesn't project beyond a bottom pairing anyway on the bottom pairing over Simek). Then you have Muk who will probably be ready for promotion to the NHL by midseason as well.

Think a buyout is best for all parties involved. There won't be a trade destination for him without retention and we won't get anything in return for him to justify wasting a retention slot on him when we can just eat $650k the year after next and turn him loose. It's either that or he's injured yet again and rides the year out on LTIR.
That's more than he was playing last year. He may be behind all those defensemen but he plays both sides and they can scratch him. Even if Muk earns a promotion by midseason, they don't need to buy out Simek to create the space. There will be ample injury opportunities, I'm sure. A buyout may be best for all parties involved but so might just letting him finish his contract here. They went through 10 defensemen this year and last year. Considering they're going to lose no matter what next season, another body to be in the lineup at least occasionally since they have to anyway is useful enough. Cap space is of no actual concern here so where's the push coming from to get rid of Simek now? Unless the way Simek was treated this year under new management and coaching wasn't good enough to change his mind about wanting out, I'd keep him and use him.
 
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