Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Gecklund]

The Barracuda are also really low on defensemen (if seven are on the Sharks, only six are left on the Barracuda), so maybe this is to see if he's worth an AHL contract.

As you say, filling out the numbers. Given the likelihood that Karlsson and Simek get hurt this year, I'd like to have two more Barracuda defensemen going into the season (AHL deals are fine, we have four guys who will be worth a look anyway and the waiver wire should occasionally give us a shot at someone interesting or at least useful).

Yeah definitely. It’s crazy the defensemen situation. It feels like we are overloaded simply because we have a ton of guys who hypothetically could be bottom pair.

No he didn’t.

Fun to read a whole thread before replying.

 

[ThePlanet]

The more I think about it, the more Bordeleau reminds me of a poor man's Couture. Possibly a 2C on a non-playoff team, or ideally, a 3C on a contender. Regardless, I believe he'll make an excellent middle six center. His progression leads me to believe that eventually the defense will come, and he will round out his game.

 

[TheBeard]

Yeah definitely. It’s crazy the defensemen situation. It feels like we are overloaded simply because we have a ton of guys who hypothetically could be bottom pair.

Fun to read a whole thread before replying.

Didn’t read your response, just replied. No biggie. There’s enough reason to harp on Hodge’s perceptions.

 

[TheBeard]

The more I think about it, the more Bordeleau reminds me of a poor man's Couture. Possibly a 2C on a non-playoff team, or ideally, a 3C on a contender. Regardless, I believe he'll make an excellent middle six center. His progression leads me to believe that eventually the defense will come, and he will round out his game.

It’ll be interesting to see if he can become a more well-rounded center considering his size but if he does I can see him becoming a poor-man’s Sebastian Aho. His creativity is something that I don’t think can be taught and his instincts are pretty advanced for a kid his age IMO.

 

[slocal]

I would have preferred Steve, as he is unkillable, but this will do.

 

[Cas]

I would have preferred Steve, as he is unkillable, but this will do.

He's really more of a baseball guy, but Henderson really showed some hockey skills - I think he could be a good puck-moving goalie.

 

[hohosaregood]

A career middle 6 guy isn't anything to sneeze at. That's still a great player to have and a potentially valuable asset to trade some day

 

[tahoesharksfan]

This board these days..

I can't read half of this thread now, having blocked a certain user (which I enjoy immensely) but still have to ask why so many of you are wasting time providing even any recognition to the local troll?

 

[TheBeard]

I can't read half of this thread now, having blocked a certain user (which I enjoy immensely) but still have to ask why so many of you are wasting time providing even any recognition to the local troll?

f***ing Sandisfan, right??

 

[Gecklund]

f***ing Sandisfan, right??

He single handedly has tripled the number of likes on this site. Makes me feel special.

 

[OrrNumber4]

I think it’s a safer option but I’d rather take the chance on Bordeleau. There’s nothing to suggest he’s a bust and a lot more to suggest he can actually play in the NHL. Smart player, great passer. Good faceoff guy. Also somehow you can turn leading his team in points at WJC into a poor performance. It’s the same nonsensical argument as turning 10/37 points on the powerplay into a majority.

Is this just the endowment effect/status quo fallacy?

If the Sharks had Lundkvist, and could trade him straight up for Bordeleau, should they do so?

 

[Gecklund]

Is this just the endowment effect/status quo fallacy?

If the Sharks had Lundkvist, and could trade him straight up for Bordeleau, should they do so?

You know I actually completely considered this too and for me a part of it is.

As to your second question I think it’s very situational. Value wise I don’t think it’s AWFUL, not great but not absolutely horrendous if that makes sense. For me it’s all about us not really having anything center wise in the entire org. Hertl and Bystedt to me are the only two who are almost guaranteed Cs in about 3 years. Couture should be a wing at this point. Guys who played C in junior who probably will end as wings include Gregor, Robins, Reedy, and I think Lund split time between C and W. I don’t think Eklund successfully transitions to C and if he does, I think it’ll take at least a few years. Even Bordeleau is guaranteed to be a C but I think he’s our best chance within the org to have a top 6 C. Is he flawed? Yep. Is he guaranteed to be it? Nope.

In regards to RDs in 3 years time, we obviously will still have EK unless he’s on IR. In addition to him though we will have Merkley, Laroque, Havelid, Fisher. Hatakka might end up a RD too despite being left handed but TBD on that. Lundkvist DEFINITELY has the ability to be the best of the bunch but it’s not like he’s some head and shoulders above these guys. I don’t know if any of these guys end up as top pair but I definitely think they have the same chance as Lundkvist.

For me it’s basically robbing Peter to pay Paul. You’re taking from a position where we have very little future depth to a position where we actually have a sneaky good depth chart. Now this could all change next season if we get say Bedard or Fantilli but I mean there’s also a few good defensemen in next seasons draft too. Now I’d much rather a forward but still I just think that you’re taking our only guy who might be a top 6 C to add to our 5 guys who might be second pair RD.

 

[tahoesharksfan]

f***ing Sandisfan, right??

I'm waiting for Sandisfan to chime in so I can like whatever it is he posts...

 

[Anomie2029]

I really thought Boughner (aka Hodge) would post here less since he got hired by the Red Wings. Unfortunately, not.

Would I trade Bordeleau for Lundkvist? Probably not. I think Sharks are more desperate for forward depth than d depth atm.

 

[mogambomoroo]

In my opinion we would have to see a bigger sample size of Bordeleau to even discuss any trade stuff, it doesn't matter if his trade value "drops" or "increases" at his age. I think he has a 2C or a complimentary top 6 playmaking winger in him. If I'm wrong then so be it.

 

[Shark Finn]

I'm waiting for Sandisfan to chime in so I can like whatever it is he posts...

He'll get 15 likes even if he just bashes us mortal ones.

 

[Hodge]

I think Sharks are more desperate for forward depth than d depth atm.

How the hell could anyone possibly come to this conclusion when the Sharks have one top four defenseman on their roster and zero defense prospects in their system who project to play in the top four? This is not to say the forward depth is good but the Sharks have one of the worst NHL defenses and no surefire defense prospects coming.

 

[sharski]

f***ing Sandisfan, right??

He single handedly has tripled the number of likes on this site. Makes me feel special.

I'm waiting for Sandisfan to chime in so I can like whatever it is he posts...

He'll get 15 likes even if he just bashes us mortal ones.

Hodge gets p good heat on these boards

But the Sandisfan heel turn will be the most glorious heel turn in history... I'm talking nuclear heat instantly

 

[TheBeard]

Hodge gets p good heat on these boards

But the Sandisfan heel turn will be the most glorious heel turn in history... I'm talking nuclear heat instantly

Watch Hf introduce an “unlike” button and he goes apeshit.

 

[landshark]

Watch Hf introduce an “unlike” button and he goes apeshit.

He could just click on the likes he's previously doled out to unlike.

 

[themelkman]

He could just click on the likes he's previously doled out to unlike.

I hope not, my reaction score would go to 0 pretty quick

 

[landshark]

I hope not, my reaction score would go to 0 pretty quick

He's got us right where he wants us...

 

[Sandisfan]

Watch Hf introduce an “unlike” button and he goes apeshit.

He could just click on the likes he's previously doled out to unlike.

I hope not, my reaction score would go to 0 pretty quick

He's got us right where he wants us...

I wouldn't pull the rug as it were LOL. Anyway there is another Forum 9ers, and Giants very few posting there but great content from the members, like we get here often get updates and News, like here before it shows most sports news sites and some insider content.

But at that site they have a long line of reactions but the ones I would like here are Sad, Interesting (emoji rubbing chin) and a bulls eyes with a arrow hitting target.

Funny thing is I get mentioned there as here for a few smileys (reaction emojis) LOL

 

[Anomie2029]

How the hell could anyone possibly come to this conclusion when the Sharks have one top four defenseman on their roster and zero defense prospects in their system who project to play in the top four? This is not to say the forward depth is good but the Sharks have one of the worst NHL defenses and no surefire defense prospects coming.

Personally, I rate our D prospects better than our F prospects.

Both are rubbish.

 

[Gecklund]

Personally, I rate our D prospects better than our F prospects.

Both are rubbish.

I do actually like our D prospects. Laroque, Merkley, Havelid, Fisher on the right and Kniazev, Hatakka, Cicek, Ferraro, Knyzhov on the left. Obviously missing that number 1 but all those guys could end up anywhere from 2-8.