Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[TheBeard]

I was today years old when I found out Christian Erhoff is still on the Sabres payroll.

 

[Beerz]

I was today years old when I found out Christian Erhoff is still on the Sabres payroll.

Cody Hodgson too

 

[Alaskanice]

As much as I love Timo, it’s kinda exciting seeing him be so sought-after and more or less the hottest trade candidate on the market.

This is so odd. It puts me in a place I’m not comfortable with. I’ve seen it many times with other teams and contemplated it but never wanted to move the player.

 

[Jargon]

Does Buffalo want Couture too?!

 

[TheBeard]

Does Buffalo want Couture too?!

I do wonder if Buffalo would want to get rid of Jeff Skinner to help their cap. Sure he's having a fantastic season, but he's also under contract for another 4 years after this one at 9 per.

 

[Beerz]

Does Buffalo want Couture too?!

No thanks.

I do wonder if Buffalo would want to get rid of Jeff Skinner to help their cap. Sure he's having a fantastic season, but he's also under contract for another 4 years after this one at 9 per.

I think he wants to be close to Toronto his home.

 

[gaucholoco3]

In some ways there really is a strategy to wait for the draft lottery/draft before tearing this team down. If the Sharks get Bedard on that 8%-12% chance or whatever it may be, it could absolutely turn this team around WITH Hertl and Meier as centerpieces. It seems ridiculous to say, but given the contracts on the books and the relative talent of the Sharks team vs. other rebuilding squads, it's a legit option to see if a superstar prospect can drag you out of the bottom in a few seasons if you support them with good players. Not saying cup contender, but if the goal is to make the playoffs I guess it might not be a bad strategy just to wait and see if Bedard comes. If he doesn't though, then you really just have to tear this down and try again.

Barabanov-Hertl-Bedard
Eklund-Couture-Meier
Bordeleau-Sturm-Labanc
Lorentz-XXX-Kunin

Buyout or waive MEV, upgrade the defense through trade or signing, pray a goalie from the system works out, etc.

It ain't half bad. Eventually you slot Bedard in as your #1C, Hertl as your #2C, Couture to LW for life, Bordeleau #3C. But it all starts with Bedard.

Alright that's enough pie in the sky dreams, all I'm trying to say is waiting for Bedard to come or not is a legit strategy before deciding to tear it all down. Meier still under control technically then as well, so his RFA rights still have 1st round value likely.

I have been thinking about the exact same thing. Meier is a type of player you want on your team to pair with a superstar be it on the same line or to drive play on the other line.

Now I am leaning towards a Buyout of Ferraro over MEV. Ferraro is a sub replacement level player getting 3.25 mil per year. The penalty for the buyout is much smaller since he is under 26 and a much more manageable penalty. The team could still buyout MEV to get even more savings but while still overpaid he is still playing above replacement level.

I think with Bedard there is a possibility of icing a quality FWD group but the D is a mess with the only chance of improving the D through FA.

Megna/or equivelent - Karlsson
XXX - XXX
MEV - Benning

They would basically need to buy an entire 2nd pair to compete. Moving Simek and buying out Ferraro would give them some cap space but they would realistically need 9+ mil in cap space for the 2 defensemen. This also does not account for the league worst goaltending.

As a fan I would love to have Meier with Bedard but unless they can somehow improve the D and G then they will still struggle to build a contender.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I do wonder if Buffalo would want to get rid of Jeff Skinner to help their cap. Sure he's having a fantastic season, but he's also under contract for another 4 years after this one at 9 per.

I don't think Skinner wants to go anywhere which probably kills it regardless.

 

[OffSydes]

they're gonna trade him exactly 10 minutes after i buy a timo jersey aren't they

What is your venmo?

 

[landshark]

Would a Bo Horvat trade drive some sort of value level for Timo trade?

 

[TheBeard]

Would a Bo Horvat trade drive some sort of value level for Timo trade?

Tough so say. On one hand it’ll create more desperation as that means one more team got better and one piece is off the market. On the other hand it depends on the return. If it’s lower than expected then there’s a comparable.

 

[Groo]

Would a Bo Horvat trade drive some sort of value level for Timo trade?

If Horvat goes east it might drive another contending team to feel they need to make a major addition in order to better stay competitive

 

[themelkman]

If Horvat goes east it might drive another contending team to feel they need to make a major addition in order to better stay competitive

The issue with that is half the time teams say that and then they trade for the shriveled corpse of Toews

 

[Groo]

The issue with that is half the time teams say that and then they trade for the shriveled corpse of Toews

I agree and the shriveled corpses are usually pure rentals. Not sure either of those two are

 

[Juxtaposer]

Would a Bo Horvat trade drive some sort of value level for Timo trade?

I don’t think so, because I don’t think the market for those players overlaps much. A team trading for Horvat is a contender looking for a pure rental, but a team trading for Meier is a team on the up-and-up looking for a piece that will help them not only this year but next.

 

[Gecklund]

I don’t think so, because I don’t think the market for those players overlaps much. A team trading for Horvat is a contender looking for a pure rental, but a team trading for Meier is a team on the up-and-up looking for a piece that will help them not only this year but next.

I think their market overlaps a bit. Mostly with the teams that are rumored to be most interested in Timo. Namely Carolina (they currently have Kotkaniemi as their 2C), New Jersey (Friedman has said a few times that they’re interested), Seattle (they need a C more than a W), Detroit (they need forwards bad so), Buffalo (feels like all their top prospects are wings but they are overwhelmed at forward), Winnipeg (seems all but certain at least one of their top 2 Cs leaves), Islanders (they just need forwards), Rangers (don’t know if they’re actually interested).

This post got away from me.

 

[Alaskanice]

Apparently on theleafsnation podcast, Friedman says that the Devils are the team to watch concerning Meier.

 

[LadyStanley]

More NJD speculation

 

[LadyStanley]

A look at the sellers, including Sharks

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[exchequer]

If the Sharks get Bedard on that 8%-12% chance or whatever it may be, it could absolutely turn this team around WITH Hertl and Meier as centerpieces. It seems ridiculous to say, but given the contracts on the books and the relative talent of the Sharks team vs. other rebuilding squads, it's a legit option to see if a superstar prospect can drag you out of the bottom in a few seasons if you support them with good players.

Yeah, there are no absolute quick fixes for the Sharks. The problem with trading Meier is that it would signify a rebuild - something that Plattner has repeatedly stated he doesn't want. And if/when the Sharks are ready to contend, it's going to cost a lot more for the Sharks to replace that production.

From a salary cap perspective, it makes more sense to ship out Lebanc and Ferraro to cover a huge part of Meier's cap hit if anyone wants them.

 

[Anomie2029]

Ideally you keep Meier because you spend draft picks looking for those kind of players…


…. But unfortunately the Sharks are in a position where they need to. If the Sharks could move Couture, Vlasic, Labanc, and co. it would be better.

 

[Alaskanice]

Ideally you keep Meier because you spend draft picks looking for those kind of players…


…. But unfortunately the Sharks are in a position where they need to. If the Sharks could move Couture, Vlasic, Labanc, and co. it would be better.

I’m all for keeping Timo here.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[LadyStanley]

LeBrun reading between the lines that s player like Meier is what NJD are looking for