They don't need to buy out Labanc now unless they need the cap space. Moving a goalie or putting them on LTIR is enough to sign their RFA's. If he still sucks through next year, which I think is highly likely, he can be bought out next year if they need it to re-sign Meier and others.
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Guessing someone straight up asked him this at the presser? Did they directly ask about Vlasic earlier this off season? I don’t remember.
ChompChomp
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This was not asked during the Quinn press conference. Maybe Sheng asked him afterwards
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More likely that Labanc bounces back to a 40-45 point scorer than he sucks again. Boughner was just absolutely atrocious in the way he coached Labanc. How anyone can think it's a good idea to give Labanc Bonino/Cogliano as linemates and 64% DZ starts this year is astounding.
Quinn coaching to the team he has and the fact that we don't have anyone else to play top 9 RW besides him, Barabanov, and Kunin means he should get plenty of opportunities. Even in his down year of 2020-21 (where he was at least getting top 9 minutes and decent linemates) he was on a 42 points per 82 pace (28 points in 55 games) while getting next to nothing going on what was one of the worst run power plays in the NHL (common theme under Boughner).
With a new coach and a more suited for him role (along with being healthy), it's more likely that he scores at a 2nd line clip in the 40-45 point range than he has a repeat of last year.
I don't see how that's more likely. I don't think Grier brings in the types of players he has and the coach he has to think that they'd manage Labanc any better. He's far from guaranteed a better set of linemates and zone starts under this coach.
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I'll base my thoughts on the 339 games where he's scored at a 42.8 points per 82 pace than the 21 game sample size where the coach misused the crap out of him.
Quinn literally talked about offensive creativity and trying to generate more offense and such today. Plus, like I said they also don't have anyone else that is going to play in the top 9 on the right side other than Labanc, Kunin, and Barabanov with Meier, Eklund, and Lindblom on the other wings in the top 9. Add in the NYR stuff with Quinn being wholly overblown by one of the dumbest fanbases in the sport and that all only further reinforces my thoughts.
If healthy, Labanc puts up at least 40 points this season off the sheer impossibility that the PP can be as bad as what Boughner and Co ran and the fact that he's done it in this league multiple times already. He's going to get an opportunity, and if he doesn't then everything that was discussed in today's presser was a big ole lie.
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Strange that Jonathan Dahlen hasn’t landed anywhere yet. Based on the reaction to Grier dumping him you would think teams were going to trip over themselves to sign him. He’s probably just taking some extra time to sort through all the amazing offers he’s received before making a decision.
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There are a handful of players of that caliber, or better, who were not qualified and are still unsigned, it is just that type of off season. Balcers on the other hand was quickly signed by Florida, and his buyout got more of a reaction from the board than not qualifying Dahlen.
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Balcers is a legitimate NHL player. Dahlen is not and neither are most of the other free agents who remain unsigned (other than Klingberg).
The Nemesis
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This passive-aggressive douchebaggery really needs to stop. We get it. You think you're smarter than everyone else. I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish by systematically alienating everyone who you have to interact with on a daily basis.
Those 339 games are at this point outdated information that is purposely ignoring the things that got him benched during that time repeatedly. Labanc wasn't getting benched because he couldn't produce. He was getting benched because his production wasn't outweighing what was being given up and he brings literally nothing else outside of his offensive production to make up for that large defensive deficiency. If he was a physical presence or blocking shots, that tends to get the coach to give you passes for things like the terrible turnovers in the defensive zone that Labanc is very prone to do and the clearly inconsistent effort levels that comes with Labanc's game.
The only person on this team that made Labanc look like a top six player was Hertl when he was also with Kane. And I think it's not being very thorough to believe they have no one else to put on the right side in the top nine. They had success last year moving Bonino to the wing in the top six and while there are certainly shortcomings to Bonino's game at that level, he's a much harder guy to demote than Labanc given his play style. They also still have Gregor as a winger option in the top nine if they decide to sign him and keep him. Either of those two options that have been employed before would afford them the flexibility to move Meier to the right side to drop Labanc out of it if they so choose. And given their emphasis on being more difficult to play against, Labanc is the least likely to personify that ideal up front.
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I can't summarize how much more I enjoy this forum since I've learned to "ignore" a certain poster....
It'll get even better for you when you ignore me too! Or maybe I am that person!
Well you lumped them together right after they were cut, so now that one has signed they're legit and you can walk back your statements?
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I’ll admit, that was a bit of an emotional response to a guy I really enjoyed watching in his cameo last year. I just think he deserved a shot over others earlier last year, and it was figuring out that he could actually be a useful bottom six player—not projecting him above that, since that’s not actually who is is—that helped. I’m not sure how Grier could have missed that, either, if he’d watched the games played down the stretch.
Meaningless games? Sure. But Sasha brought it every night and showed a promising two-way game that I didn’t know he had. So to me it’s a loss, and it makes me wonder a little bit about what kind of work Grier did before/after taking this job, or if he’s just relying on things he’s seen in small sample sizes (or scouts that he’s buddies with who have only seen guys like Sasha in small chunks). He’s not a guy who’s going to wow you with his size or speed or particular skill, but I saw a player who looked better down the stretch than just about anyone else, including more highly-paid, veteran guys, did throughout the whole season in that bottom six.
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Very easily. You just assume that he’s being an asshat and you’re likely right. As much as I don’t like the almost appeal to authority of some posters, I think that is at least a valid point. The constant “I’m smarter than everyone including Grier” is absolute garbage. Even if I’m an asshole sometimes, I try to at least understand other points. The constant inability to do that is just super annoying.
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Players that Hodge thinks is not a legitimate NHLer apparently:
Kadri, Bergeron, Kessel, Stastny, Rodrigues, Milano, Heinen, Gagner, Donato, Ennis, Chiasson, Larsson, Rask, Sprong, Steel, Stepan,etc.
I don't know, if I'm looking to sign a winger I'm probably looking at a few of those names before Dahlen.
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Everyone knows Kadri has a handshake deal with the Islanders and Bergeron is staying in Boston.
Kessel, Gagner and Stepan are washed. Donato, Ennis, Chiasson, Rask and Steel are all terrible.
We’re down to the dregs of free agency and Dahlen still doesn’t have a contract. He was never NHL caliber and GMMG was absolutely correct to non-tender him.
Alaskanice
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I think 2 things need to transpire, a goalie is traded and they get the decision on the Kane thing. That will give us some money. Then signings.
DarrylshutzSydor
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The Sharks "rebuild" is hilarious to watch. Signing one after another failed players from other organizations to 2-2.5 million per year contracts instead of doing a real re-build and giving your own prospects a chance. The last kicker was Chmelevski.......so funny to watch.....
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Am I just blind or has there been absolutely nothing on Ferraro for a month? Like, not even a “he’s an important part of this team and we’ll get it done” kind of reassurance?
themelkman
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Right now we should have about 2.5 mil in cap space going into the season. Coincidentally thats what Ferraro should make.
Sheng reported Ferraro wants a long term deal but I dont see what universe he should get that in other than one where all we evalutate him on is how many minutes he played
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