Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part 1
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PacificOceanPotion
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Gecklund
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Wait what? We don’t even have the cap space for that.
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themelkman
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Great value signings MG! Glad we got the tough grity character though instead of guys who can score points
Who’s fault is that?
Boy Hedican
Homer Jr, friends call me Ho-Ju
You still think MG is trying to win these next few seasons?? Haven’t you gotten the memo yet?
SjMilhouse
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We could basically take the entire front office of the Avs or Lightning and everyone here would still bitch if that front office didnt do every single little thing each of you individually want.
You want the team to tank? Grier signs a bunch of shitty players and makes the team suck to get a high pick and we complain because while each individual signing is judged as the worst thing ever, somehow the sum of the parts is still not bad enough for a lot of you.
Then Grier doesnt sign scorers or fill the teams gaps to make them maybe a playoff team with no hope at a cup and people complain because we should be tanking and even if we maybe make the playoffs we wont win a cup.
No team is going to make every little move you want. You cant sit here and act like the team is one of the worst in the league but then be like well we are going to get a top 10 pick instead of a top 3 pick so fire everyone while at the same time get mad when he doesnt sign players that would give us a top 15 pick because everyone thinks the team is too shitty that even a decent FA signing wont help. Pick a lane
Edit: It's concerning that Hodge is the one poster the last 3 weeks I've seen with the most level headed takes of anyone....
You want the team to tank? Grier signs a bunch of shitty players and makes the team suck to get a high pick and we complain because while each individual signing is judged as the worst thing ever, somehow the sum of the parts is still not bad enough for a lot of you.
Then Grier doesnt sign scorers or fill the teams gaps to make them maybe a playoff team with no hope at a cup and people complain because we should be tanking and even if we maybe make the playoffs we wont win a cup.
No team is going to make every little move you want. You cant sit here and act like the team is one of the worst in the league but then be like well we are going to get a top 10 pick instead of a top 3 pick so fire everyone while at the same time get mad when he doesnt sign players that would give us a top 15 pick because everyone thinks the team is too shitty that even a decent FA signing wont help. Pick a lane
Edit: It's concerning that Hodge is the one poster the last 3 weeks I've seen with the most level headed takes of anyone....
hotcabbagesoup
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That's the price of Benning + Kunin. I would rather have Nino + AHL dman callup than Benning + Kunin. And Nino is Swiss too.
Hodge
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Juxtaposer
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Doug Wilson traded for Luke Kunin and gave him $2.75M?
themelkman
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He’s a powerful man! Freed up capspace from retirement and then spent it all again! Crazy stuff
Gecklund
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I mean realistically everyone within the sharks org. Also there are other factors in play than just money. Maybe Nino didn’t want to come here.
Yes, I'm sure every decent free agent is banging on MG's door begging them for a team-friendly deal. You know these players want to have to come here as well, right?
OrrNumber4
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If you wanted to be reasonably charitable to Grier, the argument is that he's going for a rebuild, and made the moves that he did because:
1) He wants to have a lot of competition for NHL spots
2) Considering how bad the culture has (reportedly) been, he wants to make sure that the young guys "grow up" in a good environment with a lot of character guys
3) He's going to sell at the deadline and wants pieces that have more than just "rental" value
1) He wants to have a lot of competition for NHL spots
2) Considering how bad the culture has (reportedly) been, he wants to make sure that the young guys "grow up" in a good environment with a lot of character guys
3) He's going to sell at the deadline and wants pieces that have more than just "rental" value
Jargon
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I like how people get angry when players don’t sign here, like Grier’s sales pitch isn’t “do you want to be part of a garbage team for a few years and help set a culture up to win way later?”
The only people who will sign here are people who have something to prove with Sharks giving them the time on ice to do so. We’re not getting anyone else unless it’s unwillingly through trade.
The only people who will sign here are people who have something to prove with Sharks giving them the time on ice to do so. We’re not getting anyone else unless it’s unwillingly through trade.
weastern bias
worst team in the league
I don't think we were on Niederreirer's radar
Nashville hasn't missed the playoffs in 8 years, we haven't qualified for them in 3, we are not an attractive destination right now and we weren't particularly attractive when we were competitive
Nashville hasn't missed the playoffs in 8 years, we haven't qualified for them in 3, we are not an attractive destination right now and we weren't particularly attractive when we were competitive
Hodge
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Because the Luke Kunin contract is the reason the Sharks are in cap hell not the abysmal Vlasic, Karlsson, Labanc, Couture, Burns, Jones and Simek contracts.
Not only pieces that have more than just rental value, guys that don't HAVE to be traded at the deadline this year which means they can be patient with who they have to sell.
weastern bias
worst team in the league
Grier opened $5.28M with the Brent Burns trade
He then spent $8.875M on Kunin, Lindblom, Sturm, Nutivaara and Benning
He opened up money by trading a declining, yet useful player and then spent MORE than he opened on depth players and gave most of them term (Kunin also cost assets)
There is no ideological through-line to Grier's moves so far, he's just doing stuff
He's bringing in low-cost buy-low young players in a year he knows the team isn't competing and they're either going to exceed their contract value or they're going to struggle and the team will draft higher. It's a win-win. It's also a huge difference trying to move one solitary 8 million dollar a year contract than smaller 1-3 million dollar ones. I don't see why it's that difficult to see.
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The goal of the Burns trade was not to improve the team. It was to accommodate a longtime Shark's desire to play for a contender and to dump the Burns contract before it soured to the point that the Sharks would need to attach picks in addition to retaining salary just to get rid of him.
You have to be delusional to think Grier could have turned this roster into a playoff team with the right offseason additions and you have to be stupid to think that's something he even should have attempted to do.
The amount of denial on here about how deeply Doug Wilson f***ed this franchise is unbelievable. Grier appears to have made the only rational decision given the state of the roster and cap sheet which is to stop digging the hole any deeper.
"Bring in solid but unspectacular vets to fill lineup spots for a few years and change the culture/playstyle while adding through the draft and waiting out the bad contracts" might not be a sexy plan but it's objectively the correct one in this situation.
I would love to see this plan accelerated by trading players like Meier for futures but the guy has been on the job for two weeks so I'm willing to be patient and see where this goes rather than blaming Grier for Doug Wilson's mistakes.
weastern bias
worst team in the league
I would have liked all of the signings Grier made if they were 1 year, then it's no risk
Nutivaara is fine, either it works or it doesn't and the org can trade him or walk away
Giving Matt Benning a 4 year contract is indefensible, that isn't an attractive asset unless he's good and if he's good we're not trying to move him anyway
We've locked ourselves in to multi-year relationships with depth players, that's a good idea when you're competitive and need cost controlled players in the bottom of the lineup, now we're just a bad team that has limited our roster flexibility for years to come
Hodge
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How has the Matt Benning contract limited the Sharks roster flexibility in any way, shape or form? If younger defensemen in the organization surpass him on the depth chart he can simply be waived and assigned to the Barracuda taking his entire cap hit off the books. Crying about that signing makes no sense.
weastern bias
worst team in the league
I completely agreed with trading Brent Burns, it was the logical move and should have happened a couple years ago when it was clear we weren't winning anything but he still had a lot of value
What I don't agree with is wasting the capspace we gained in the trade on depth players that will only serve to make it harder to tank AND GIVING THOSE PLAYERS TERM
That's the real failure, locking up players that were bought out or not qualified by better teams to multi-year deals isn't a tank move, it's a move by someone with no plan or understanding of what they're doing
Looking at the moves as a whole it's impossible to tell if Grier is tanking but wasting assets and doing it inefficiently or if he's trying to compete but just has no idea how, either way it isn't good
He would still count against our contract total
Try as you might to justify it, Benning's presence in the organization limits our flexibility in a very literal way
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