GDT: 2022-23 season game 14 LA Kings vs Florida Panthers @7:30pm 11/5/22

[JeanBlanc]

$7/month though...that's absurd, IMO.

For The Forum Report? He's had 65 posts since the regular season started, less than 30 days ago, so averaging over two a day. The possession stats insight is unique analysis that no one else is doing. Stories from the road are interesting too.

I'm finding it a good value. I read the free articles, and based on that, pre-paid for the year.

 

[kings11]

Jon Rosen's coverage is really good and insightful. He's got some really good data that he posts after every game and then provides some context. For example, Kopi's line got their teeth kicked in by Barkov's. At some point TMc adjusted and sent Danault's line to try and nullify them and they had some success. To what should be to nobody's surprise, the Roy/Durzi pairing got obliterated by Barkov's line to the tune of a 15 to 1 shot disadvantage. They're not good together. This is Muzzin and Martinez oil and water pairing all over again.

A better stat would be the diff in data when Roy/Durzi are on and off for every line… me thinks that pairing causes whatever line is in play to tire out with their lack of defensive awareness and constant inability to clear the puck out of their zone which in turn leads to much, much higher scoring chances

 

[Fishhead]

Just looking at Durzi (Durzi usually plays with Roy, so this is essentially for the pairing):

The first line's relative possession numbers tank when they are on the ice with him.

The second line's possession numbers improve a bit.

The third line's numbers see a moderate increase with Durzi.

The fourth line's numbers see a substantial increase with Durzi.

It makes sense, really. Kopitar's line thrives on predictability which is why Fiala wasn't working. Durzi is Fiala's equal when it comes to random shit on the ice.

The second line is more of a rush line, so Durzi's play helps there. Granted Durzi won't see the tougher D assignments, but there is a positive effect. Note that line 2 still holds its own without Durzi, while Durzi's numbers drop substantially when away from line 2.

Can't really get a read on the 3rd as it's been a revolving door, but Durzi is generally positive with them.

His greatest impact is with the 4th line. Lizotte and Lemieux like to generate chaos on their own so he fits right in.

These are possession numbers but similar effects are seen with scoring chances for and against.

So Durzi/Roy don't play well together but they aren't really dragging anyone except the first line. Their possession numbers against are not good at all considering the competition they face.

The biggest drags on linemates? Kaliyev is the worst, followed by Byfield. Kaliyev's numbers drop off a cliff when he's away from the two L's. The best impact on linemates and high danger scoring chances? 4. Danault, 3. Vilardi. 2. Kupari (small sample size, but he's been impressive), and #1........... Brandt Clarke. Clarke causes far more danger than he allows, and that's with the lowest offensive zone start numbers on the team. And he's still got positive possession numbers. Clarke isn't really being all that protected or sheltered, pretty impressive.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Just looking at Durzi (Durzi usually plays with Roy, so this is essentially for the pairing):

The first line's relative possession numbers tank when they are on the ice with him.

The second line's possession numbers improve a bit.

The third line's numbers see a moderate increase with Durzi.

The fourth line's numbers see a substantial increase with Durzi.

It makes sense, really. Kopitar's line thrives on predictability which is why Fiala wasn't working. Durzi is Fiala's equal when it comes to random shit on the ice.

The second line is more of a rush line, so Durzi's play helps there. Granted Durzi won't see the tougher D assignments, but there is a positive effect. Note that line 2 still holds its own without Durzi, while Durzi's numbers drop substantially when away from line 2.

Can't really get a read on the 3rd as it's been a revolving door, but Durzi is generally positive with them.

His greatest impact is with the 4th line. Lizotte and Lemieux like to generate chaos on their own so he fits right in.

These are possession numbers but similar effects are seen with scoring chances for and against.

So Durzi/Roy don't play well together but they aren't really dragging anyone except the first line. Their possession numbers against are not good at all considering the competition they face.

The biggest drags on linemates? Kaliyev is the worst, followed by Byfield. Kaliyev's numbers drop off a cliff when he's away from the two L's. The best impact on linemates and high danger scoring chances? 4. Danault, 3. Vilardi. 2. Kupari (small sample size, but he's been impressive), and #1........... Brandt Clarke. Clarke causes far more danger than he allows, and that's with the lowest offensive zone start numbers on the team. And he's still got positive possession numbers. Clarke isn't really being all that protected or sheltered, pretty impressive.

I know some people want him traded or shot to the moon like yesterday, but for those of us who don’t, these numbers seem to support what many of us are saying about Durzi—used property he’s an awesome weapon but he’s in over his head playing with the 1st line or even second pairing especially on the wrong side—but that in a depth role as a PP specialist he’s awesome.

 

[Surf Nutz]

This is an interesting situation. In the last 12 games the Kings have played, they are the 9th best team in the league. In those 12 games, Kaliyev has 8pts in the 11 games he's played in, in the very low minutes he's played.

If he played more, would they be better? Or, are they using him as efficiently as possible? Chicken or egg.

He has had some nice snipes and a couple passes. What TMac is looking at is him getting knocked of the puck or dispossessed frequently, more than the end of last year.

 

[lumbergh]

I know some people want him traded or shot to the moon like yesterday, but for those of us who don’t, these numbers seem to support what many of us are saying about Durzi—used property he’s an awesome weapon but he’s in over his head playing with the 1st line or even second pairing especially on the wrong side—but that in a depth role as a PP specialist he’s awesome.

Give me:

Anderson-Doughty
Clarke-Roy
Edler-Durzi/Walker
Bench: Walker/Durzi

Doughty & Durzi on PP

And I'll be fine with that. The Durzi-Roy experiment must end.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Give me:

Anderson-Doughty
Clarke-Roy
Edler-Durzi/Walker
Bench: Walker/Durzi

Doughty & Durzi on PP

And I'll be fine with that. The Durzi-Roy experiment must end.

Asking a 19 year old learning to play at the NHL level to play on his off hand isn't fair to him. That's not putting him in a position to succeed

 

[unicornpig]

Asking a 19 year old learning to play at the NHL level to play on his off hand isn't fair to him. That's not putting him in a position to succeed

at this point its better than the bench. he needs to play

 

[AbsentMojo]

Give me:

Anderson-Doughty
Clarke-Roy
Edler-Durzi/Walker
Bench: Walker/Durzi

Doughty & Durzi on PP

And I'll be fine with that. The Durzi-Roy experiment must end.

Trying to complete the d-corps with this crew is about as hopeless as finishing a jigsaw puzzle with missing pieces... when i was a kid i force pieces that didnt fit - which is about what BLake/TM are doing

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

at this point its better than the bench. he needs to play

He needs to play on the right side, and the GM needs to do his job and address LD

 

[johnjm22]

2021-22, AFTER he signed his contract, was in almost every way his best year. I just don't understand where you're getting this idea at all.

I'm willing to accept the possibility that my memory deceives me.

But no way do I think last year was his best play, despite what any numbers say.

I guess what frustrates me is that I've seen him play at a very high level. And when I watch him now, I often see a guy who looks like he's just going through the motions. He looks dopey a lot of the times, and this goes back to last year.

 

[Docgonzo]

Maybe Blake is still searching for the 2nd pair LHD and when he gets him he ships out Roy and rolls

Anderson-Doughty
New LHD-Clarke
Edler-Durzi

 

[Ollie Weeks]

Maybe Blake is still searching for the 2nd pair LHD and when he gets him he ships out Roy and rolls

Anderson-Doughty
New LHD-Clarke
Edler-Durzi

If Blake were to use this move to replace Roy, this incoming LD has to be the real deal and not a bloody band-aid.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Hopefully Blake can find a defenseman who doesn't constantly make tape-to-tape passes to the opponents stick and one who doesn't flub the puck constantly with turnovers and weak clearing attempts. I think about 60% of the blueline is incapable of playing a blunder-free hockey game.

 

[cyclones22]

He needs to play on the right side, and the GM needs to do his job and address LD

I really don't understand making the young guys who have to play some defense AND contribute on offense play their opposite sides. Make Roy play on the left. Not like Roy makes killer zone exit passes. Seems like a seniority call to me.

 

[Fishhead]

I really don't understand making the young guys who have to play some defense AND contribute on offense play their opposite sides. Make Roy play on the left. Not like Roy makes killer zone exit passes. Seems like a seniority call to me.

It might be that the others are more comfortable on their off side than Roy is. Just because we see how bad Durzi is at it doesn't mean Roy couldn't be even worse.