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found it odd they mention Lundestrom could play a more prominent role, but then in their projected line up they have him as the 4c...
They also wrote that McTavish is expected to have a big role. I don't think that's the case at all. It's Zegras who's gonna get a bigger role.

McTavish hasn't had an extended break or extended training time for a while now and has done a lot of playing and travelling instead. Remember he also missed most of last year's camp with an injury. If the plan was for him to play a significant role this season then he wouldn't have played the WJC20. As simple as that. Who knows, he might surprise people and earn more ice time at least for parts of the season but looking at his schedule the last 1,5 - 2 years I don't see him log consistent top6 minutes. I think he's mostly gonna get very limited TOI at even strength and maybe a more prominent role in special teams.
 
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I'm hoping McTavish earns a spot at center.

McTavish got in 9 NHL games last year as a winger. 3 AHL games as a center. Played mostly center in the OHL, Played center at the WJC-20. Played wing at Olympics, but had no chemistry.

At the rookie tourney, he'll play center. If he shows up (and stays healthy), then he can carry that momentum into pre-season. 2C is up for grabs between McTavish and Strome, since both are new to the org. It will be very interesting how Eakins/Verbeek deploys McTavish in pre-season. I guess that would be the first tell.
I'm sure they'll give him a look at C during preseason but him playing Center would give Eakins three very young Centers with very few games under their belt. Until Lundestrom and Zegras prove they can actually win some faceoffs and until they prove they can handle the increased minutes and tougher matchups they're bound to get with Getzlaf gone...until they prove they can do all of those things on a consistent basis I think Eakins will find it very hard to ice a rookie Center. Of course if Lundeström and Zegras convincingly make that step or if there are injuries the situation can change in a hurry. Once the picture in the standings becomes clearer Eakins might also be willing to take more risks but I don't think his plan right now is to start McTavish at Center anytime soon.
 

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I'm hoping McTavish earns a spot at center.

McTavish got in 9 NHL games last year as a winger. 3 AHL games as a center. Played mostly center in the OHL, Played center at the WJC-20. Played wing at Olympics, but had no chemistry.

At the rookie tourney, he'll play center. If he shows up (and stays healthy), then he can carry that momentum into pre-season. 2C is up for grabs between McTavish and Strome, since both are new to the org. It will be very interesting how Eakins/Verbeek deploys McTavish in pre-season. I guess that would be the first tell.
Agree with you, but this coach's DNA is wired towards the safe move, not the risky one. He trusts vets, even if they aren't good. He plays for overtime instead of trying to win games in regulation. He starts OT with defense first forwards. Unless Eakins gets a directive from the FO, I expect McTavish to be treated the same way Zegras was.
 

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Agree with you, but this coach's DNA is wired towards the safe move, not the risky one. He trusts vets, even if they aren't good. He plays for overtime instead of trying to win games in regulation. He starts OT with defense first forwards. Unless Eakins gets a directive from the FO, I expect McTavish to be treated the same way Zegras was.
That's not true at all, go watch LA if you want to see vets and "safe" Eakins gives the kids way more leash than most would.
 
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Agree with you, but this coach's DNA is wired towards the safe move, not the risky one. He trusts vets, even if they aren't good. He plays for overtime instead of trying to win games in regulation. He starts OT with defense first forwards. Unless Eakins gets a directive from the FO, I expect McTavish to be treated the same way Zegras was.
Yeah Zegras is clearly failing to thrive under this coach. Terry, too. Drysdale, too.
 
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I said nothing about thriving. I was responding to someone who thought McTavish was going to play center. Don't see this coach going with Zegras, McTavish, and Lundestrom down the middle.
Yeah. I mentioned it as well. Eakins isn't gonna go with these three at Center next season unless Lundeström and Zegras improve at faceoffs and prove to be able to handle increased and tougher minutes. He'll want to see Zegras stronger and better against the puck as well. If those two can earn Eakins' trust to play in all situations then maybe, depending on the standings, he'll ice those three Centers later in the season.
 

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I'm sure they'll give him a look at C during preseason but him playing Center would give Eakins three very young Centers with very few games under their belt. Until Lundestrom and Zegras prove they can actually win some faceoffs and until they prove they can handle the increased minutes and tougher matchups they're bound to get with Getzlaf gone...until they prove they can do all of those things on a consistent basis I think Eakins will find it very hard to ice a rookie Center. Of course if Lundeström and Zegras convincingly make that step or if there are injuries the situation can change in a hurry. Once the picture in the standings becomes clearer Eakins might also be willing to take more risks but I don't think his plan right now is to start McTavish at Center anytime soon.

Our faceoffs are gonna suck this year. No Getzlaf and Rico is played at wing.

Faceoffs
2021​
PlayerTeamLeagueFOWFOLTotal FOPct
RicoAnaheimNHL
276​
221​
497​
55.5%​
GetzlafAnaheimNHL
546​
479​
1025​
53.3%​
CarrickAnaheimNHL
204​
209​
413​
49.4%​
SteelAnaheimNHL
203​
209​
412​
49.3%​
GrantAnaheimNHL
204​
216​
420​
48.6%​
LundestromAnaheimNHL
391​
488​
879​
44.5%​
ZegrasAnaheimNHL
217​
327​
544​
39.9%​
StromeNYRNHL
363​
455​
818​
44.4%​
McTavishHam/PBOOHL (Reg)
212​
157​
369​
57.5%​
McTavishHamOHL (Playoffs)
200​
139​
339​
59.0%​

If McTavish isn't a center, then here are the projected 4C's:

1C: Zegras
2C: Strome
3C: Lundy
4C: Carrick

This is a bit concerning. I guess we can tell our centers who have Rico or McTavish on their wings to purposely get kicked out of the faceoff dot.
 

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That's not true at all, go watch LA if you want to see vets and "safe" Eakins gives the kids way more leash than most would.
Under the circumstances the Ducks have been in the past two seasons, the kids should have gotten more leash. The team was going nowhere, and was icing vets that were not good.
 

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Our faceoffs are gonna suck this year. No Getzlaf and Rico is played at wing.

Faceoffs
2021​
PlayerTeamLeagueFOWFOLTotal FOPct
RicoAnaheimNHL
276​
221​
497​
55.5%​
GetzlafAnaheimNHL
546​
479​
1025​
53.3%​
CarrickAnaheimNHL
204​
209​
413​
49.4%​
SteelAnaheimNHL
203​
209​
412​
49.3%​
GrantAnaheimNHL
204​
216​
420​
48.6%​
LundestromAnaheimNHL
391​
488​
879​
44.5%​
ZegrasAnaheimNHL
217​
327​
544​
39.9%​
StromeNYRNHL
363​
455​
818​
44.4%​
McTavishHam/PBOOHL (Reg)
212​
157​
369​
57.5%​
McTavishHamOHL (Playoffs)
200​
139​
339​
59.0%​

If McTavish isn't a center, then here are the projected 4C's:

1C: Zegras
2C: Strome
3C: Lundy
4C: Carrick

This is a bit concerning. I guess we can tell our centers who have Rico or McTavish on their wings to purposely get kicked out of the faceoff dot.
The $64,000 question is: Is it more important this year to win faceoffs (and hopefully more games) or to develop the young centers? I think Eakins will play a vet winger that can take draws (Henrique, Grant) with the young centers.
 

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Under the circumstances the Ducks have been in the past two seasons, the kids should have gotten more leash. The team was going nowhere, and was icing vets that were not good.
More leash? Lol OK this is the NHL not juniors. Our team has more leash than almost every team in the league right now.

The $64,000 question is: Is it more important this year to win faceoffs (and hopefully more games) or to develop the young centers? I think Eakins will play a vet winger that can take draws (Henrique, Grant) with the young centers.
I would say both... It's hard to develop anything when you never have the puck.
 

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Our faceoffs are gonna suck this year. No Getzlaf and Rico is played at wing.

Faceoffs
2021​
PlayerTeamLeagueFOWFOLTotal FOPct
RicoAnaheimNHL
276​
221​
497​
55.5%​
GetzlafAnaheimNHL
546​
479​
1025​
53.3%​
CarrickAnaheimNHL
204​
209​
413​
49.4%​
SteelAnaheimNHL
203​
209​
412​
49.3%​
GrantAnaheimNHL
204​
216​
420​
48.6%​
LundestromAnaheimNHL
391​
488​
879​
44.5%​
ZegrasAnaheimNHL
217​
327​
544​
39.9%​
StromeNYRNHL
363​
455​
818​
44.4%​
McTavishHam/PBOOHL (Reg)
212​
157​
369​
57.5%​
McTavishHamOHL (Playoffs)
200​
139​
339​
59.0%​

If McTavish isn't a center, then here are the projected 4C's:

1C: Zegras
2C: Strome
3C: Lundy
4C: Carrick

This is a bit concerning. I guess we can tell our centers who have Rico or McTavish on their wings to purposely get kicked out of the faceoff dot.
They'll just, in many cases, let the Wingers take the faceoffs. Young guys like Zegras and Lundeström are also expected to learn and get better. It will be important to earn Eakins' trust. I hope they focused on it this offseason. Both were below 45% which won't cut it next season with Getzlaf gone.
 

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More leash? Lol OK this is the NHL not juniors. Our team has more leash than almost every team in the league right now.


I would say both... It's hard to develop anything when you never have the puck.
Part of being a competent center in the NHL is winning face offs. The only way to get better is to compete in games.

They'll just, in many cases, let the Wingers take the faceoffs. Young guys like Zegras and Lundeström are also expected to learn and get better. It will be important to earn Eakins' trust. I hope they focused on it this offseason. Both were below 45% which won't cut it next season with Getzlaf gone.
Shattenkirk and Grant have Eakins' trust. Earning his trust isn't an equal opportunity proposition.
 

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I'm sure they'll give him a look at C during preseason but him playing Center would give Eakins three very young Centers with very few games under their belt. Until Lundestrom and Zegras prove they can actually win some faceoffs and until they prove they can handle the increased minutes and tougher matchups they're bound to get with Getzlaf gone...until they prove they can do all of those things on a consistent basis I think Eakins will find it very hard to ice a rookie Center. Of course if Lundeström and Zegras convincingly make that step or if there are injuries the situation can change in a hurry. Once the picture in the standings becomes clearer Eakins might also be willing to take more risks but I don't think his plan right now is to start McTavish at Center anytime soon.

To start the 2021-22 seasson, the Ducks had three young centers, two of them rookies.

1C: Getzlaf
2C: Zegras (2019 draft - rookie)
3C: Lundestrom (2018 draft - going into 4th NHL season)
4C: Groulx (2018 draft - rookie)

Groulx struggled at the NHL level and was sent back down. The org seems quite fine with putting three young centers on the ice, especially if it's deemed a rebuild/developmental season.

=== Lundy ===
I don't really identify Lundestrom as an unproven center. Two seasons ago, he got in 73% NHL games. It was fewer games because he was sent down before the NHL season started to train at wing. Through injuries, Lundy solidified his place at center. Last year, Lundy improved upon his play by adding some offense and became the Ducks' best defensive forward. When coach Eakins kept sitting out youths in Zegras and Drysdale late in games, Eakins didn't hesitate to throw Lundy onto the ice late in games. In fact, it was expected to have Lundy out there to help shut the game down.

Lundy, NHL Games played
2018-19: 15 out of 82 games (18.3%)​
2019-20: 15 out of 71 games (21.2%)​
2020-21: 41 out of 56 games (73.2%)​
2021-22: 80 out of 82 games (97.6%)​

Eakins was Lundy's coach in the AHL for the 2018-19 season.

=== Zegras ===
Yes, Zegras is still considered an unestablished quantity as he has one full NHL season under his jersey. His ATOI was 17:54 in 75 games last year. I don't think the org is going to throttle Zegras. They'll probably use him in the same role as last year, highly sheltered and start 70%+ in the offensive zone.

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Last year's start to the season with three young centers was far more unknown than going into this season. McTavish did get 9 games in last year as wing, but he was played in all three facets of the game (ES, PP, and PK) until Eakins started reining the youth save Lundy. It's a very small sample, but it's still a sample Eakins has to work with.

Although the center position up for grabs is Getzlaf's, I don't think any of us is saying it's a 1C spot available. Zegras is our default 1C, 3C is Lundy's, and 4C is Carrick/Grant. 2C is up for grabs. Last year, 2C was Zegras' spot by design. It's possible that same game plan could be extended for McTavish "if" this season is deemed a developmental/rebuild season like last year.

If it's a developmental season, then Eakins will use his 3rd and 4th lines against the opposing team's top-2 offensive lines more often. A healthy Silf to pair with Lundy makes for a great shutdown line with some counter offense (I did the breakdown on a healthy Silf-Lundy pair).

I would like for McTavish to earn the right to play 2C, but it could also be the game plan set for Verbeek/Eakins to start him out at 2C. That's what we did last season with Zegras. My brain thinks we're in rebuild/developmental mode this year. We sent McTavish back down to the OHL so that he can continue his development at center because there wasn't any center positions open for McTavish on the Ducks. He rewarded the Ducks with a wonderful season: OHL champs, Memorial Cup finalist, Olympic participant, and captained Canada to a WJC-20 gold medal.

I'm thinking Verbeek likes McTavish a lot to allow McTavish to participate at the WJC-20's. Verbeek did force McTavish to miss Dev camp for R&R, before the WJC-20s. There's a few signs that McTavish playing center to start the season is the game plan. I think McTavish's WJC-20 performance solidified it. In the pre-lim games, he was in an offensive role. In the medal round games, McTavish was forced into a shutdown role b/c 3C Greig fell to injury. That versatility and drive to help win gold might be the final nudge for Verbeek/Eakins to gamble, "Just how much more potential does McTavish have at center?"
 

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They'll just, in many cases, let the Wingers take the faceoffs. Young guys like Zegras and Lundeström are also expected to learn and get better. It will be important to earn Eakins' trust. I hope they focused on it this offseason. Both were below 45% which won't cut it next season with Getzlaf gone.

I'm not too concerned about Lundy's FO% (44.5% last year). It's close to 50%, but I know Lundy can win puck battles to regain possession to offset the FO%. As a defensive specialist, Lundy already has Eakins' trust as he's one of the best forward defenders the team has right now.

Zegras also has Eakins' trust, but Eakins also knows Zegras' limitations. That's why Zegras's OZ start PCT last year was 78.7%. The org will not throttle Zegras' ice time, but they will put him in more situations to succeed. His FO% is abhorrent. Zegras needs to improve upon that 39.9% win rate. (Is that really called a win rate?)

Still, losing the FO isn't the end of the world. If one can regain possession, then losing the FO is nullified. This aspect is where Zegras or the team needs to help Zegras to win puck battles to alleviate the FO loss concerns.
 

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I'm not too concerned about Lundy's FO% (44.5% last year). It's close to 50%, but I know Lundy can win puck battles to regain possession to offset the FO%. As a defensive specialist, Lundy already has Eakins' trust as he's one of the best forward defenders the team has right now.

Zegras also has Eakins' trust, but Eakins also knows Zegras' limitations. That's why Zegras's OZ start PCT last year was 78.7%. The org will not throttle Zegras' ice time, but they will put him in more situations to succeed. His FO% is abhorrent. Zegras needs to improve upon that 39.9% win rate. (Is that really called a win rate?)

Still, losing the FO isn't the end of the world. If one can regain possession, then losing the FO is nullified. This aspect is where Zegras or the team needs to help Zegras to win puck battles to alleviate the FO loss concerns.
I mean, I know these % look terrible at face value but we are talking about a difference of 1-2 face offs per game from where he is at and the "respectable" 50%. My guess is if these kids aren't playing center has more to do with their zone play then their ability to win a face off.
 

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