2022/23 Roster Thread XI: Konecny, So Hot Right Now, Konecny

[Hollywood Cannon]

"This team is rebuilding!"

-Trades picks to get rid of Ghost
-Trades picks for Fisto
-Trades picks for TDA
-Resigns Fisto instead of trading him
-Resigns Coots instead of trading him

They sure have a funny way of rebuilding. No 2nd round picks for 4 straight years? Rebuild!

That was before God King Torts was here.

Kneel before Torts!

 

[Beef Invictus]

You miss Hodgson?

Truly, the only player available. Nobody else exists.

 

[deadhead]

"This team is rebuilding!"

-Trades picks to get rid of Ghost
-Trades picks for Fisto
-Trades picks for TDA
-Resigns Fisto instead of trading him
-Resigns Coots instead of trading him

They sure have a funny way of rebuilding. No 2nd round picks for 4 straight years? Rebuild!

I think you have your timing off.

The rebuild didn't start until they hired Torts, whether they knew it or not, because as soon as he had a chance to appraise the talent on hand, he declared that it was going to take years to turn it around, maybe longer than his contract.

Now, it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall, because I suspect some of the dino advisors are pissed as hell: "we don't do rebuild around here" - but when your new HC declares it, and you're paying $9M a year between Torts and AV the next two years - watcha ya gonna do? You're stuck with someone telling the truth to the media and fans.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think you have your timing off.

The rebuild didn't start until they hired Torts, whether they knew it or not, because as soon as he had a chance to appraise the talent on hand, he declared that it was going to take years to turn it around, maybe longer than his contract.

Now, it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall, because I suspect some of the dino advisors are pissed as hell: "we don't do rebuild around here" - but when your new HC declares it, and you're paying $9M a year between Torts and AV the next two years - watcha ya gonna do? You're stuck with someone telling the truth to the media and fans.

Signing Braun and Deslauriers aren't rebuild moves, so the rebuild isn't happening. Bringing in more waiver fodder isn't a rebuild move either.

Here's a fact that may interest you: Tortorella isn't the GM! Fletcher decides team direction. He doesn't follow the orders of an underling who has never bossed GMs around anyway.

 

[freakydallas13]

I think you have your timing off.

The rebuild didn't start until they hired Torts, whether they knew it or not, because as soon as he had a chance to appraise the talent on hand, he declared that it was going to take years to turn it around, maybe longer than his contract.

Now, it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall, because I suspect some of the dino advisors are pissed as hell: "we don't do rebuild around here" - but when your new HC declares it, and you're paying $9M a year between Torts and AV the next two years - watcha ya gonna do? You're stuck with someone telling the truth to the media and fans.

Yeah in the 2 years leading up to the current team, not a single person thought this team was going to be bad.

NO ONE saw this coming! How could they, it blindsided everyone! ABSOLUTE surprise this team is bad!

PS, both resigning Fisto and trading for TDA happened *after* this team started showing how awful it was last season.

 

[TB87]

God King Torts

“God Emperor” John Tortorella:

For real though, the myths and endless fiction that’s been written/said and is being written/said about Torts is absurd. He’s the ultimate “Just a Guy” JAG coach who gets propped up by authentics because he says dumb and angry shit to the media.

He is a smacked ass. He has always been a smacked ass. He will always be a smacked ass. Smacked. Ass.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If this is how they "rebuild" then Fletcher is pretty terrible at it.

 

[flyerslducks]

"This team is rebuilding!"

-Trades picks to get rid of Ghost
-Trades picks for Fisto
-Trades picks for TDA
-Resigns Fisto instead of trading him
-Resigns Coots instead of trading him

They sure have a funny way of rebuilding. No 2nd round picks for 4 straight years? Rebuild!

If they rebuild the right way, they wouldn’t need to trade guys like sanheim/couts tbh. The point of doing thst is to get assets, sure, but if they didn’t give away so many, keeping two studs isn’t bad at all. Look at the kings…they kept kopi/doughty and rebuilt. They added assets by getting rid of guys like muzzin, toffoli, etc and now a lot of their youth is on the team helping kopi out.

 

[Magua]

Scoring chances only count if Sanheim gets walked.

Honestly, if Seeler was on the other end of that, I’d still be more impressed than anything. That was disgusting. Half the defensive group gets walked by guys skating in a straight line in 2nd gear anyway.

 

[Magua]

I think hostagejoe is onto something. Thankfully, Fletcher don’t miss!

 

[FlyerNutter]

Signing Braun and Deslauriers aren't rebuild moves, so the rebuild isn't happening. Bringing in more waiver fodder isn't a rebuild move either.

Here's a fact that may interest you: Tortorella isn't the GM! Fletcher decides team direction. He doesn't follow the orders of an underling who has never bossed GMs around anyway.

Rushing out to sign Sanheim, the biggest realistic trade asset for the season a few weeks into the year is not what a rebuilding team does.

Rebuilding.

They will never dare utter the word unless some men die off with age. We will see even more just how committed to development, and a rebuild they are when they have a sniff of cap space next off season.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Rushing out to sign Sanheim, the biggest realistic trade asset for the season a few weeks into the year is not what a rebuilding team does.

Rebuilding.

They will never dare utter the word unless some men die off with age. We will see even more just how committed to development, and a rebuild they are when they have a sniff of cap space next off season.

And Laughton too.

But we are meant to believe the infinitely wise Tortorella sat Fletcher down and they had a heart-to-heart that caused Fletcher to completely change his mind on everything after sinking so much into the current path. YEah OK

 

[deadhead]

Signing Braun and Deslauriers aren't rebuild moves, so the rebuild isn't happening. Bringing in more waiver fodder isn't a rebuild move either.

Here's a fact that may interest you: Tortorella isn't the GM! Fletcher decides team direction. He doesn't follow the orders of an underling who has never bossed GMs around anyway.

Of course they are, Braun's on a one year deal and a probably TDL trade, Deslauriers is a 8 minute a night role player who blocks no one (real prospects aren't brought up for that role). The expectation was that Braun would be paired with York and eventually phased out for Attard in the spring.

You don't rebuild by throwing every prospect into the lineup willy, nilly, you gradually work in young players.
When Torts took over in TB, a similar situation, he didn't rush prospects into the lineup.
Same with CBJ, he worked in 3-4 players a season.

Rushing out to sign Sanheim, the biggest realistic trade asset for the season a few weeks into the year is not what a rebuilding team does.

Rebuilding.

They will never dare utter the word unless some men die off with age. We will see even more just how committed to development, and a rebuild they are when they have a sniff of cap space next off season.

Sanheim is 26, not 30.

 

[Tripod]

Torts has no illusions about this team, this year it's about structure and player evaluation.

But he's not going to make hasty decisions, like he said, there's a revolving door with LHV, stand out there and sooner or later you'll get a shot in Philly to show you belong.

People wanted a rebuild, well, get used to this, rebuilds are slow, and teams that successfully rebuild don't just throw rookies in the lineup and let them sink. I think this is more like TB than CBJ, it'll take 2-3 years to be competitive again.

2-3 years away?

 

[deadhead]

There's a difference between being competitive and being a top 8 team.
One of the keys to a successful rebuild is not fool yourself into thinking the job is done b/c you made the playoffs (or just missed).
The mistake many GMs/Owners make is thinking because you're competitive, you're one or two moves away from competing for a Cup.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

This. Isn’t. A. Rebuild.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Of course they are, Braun's on a one year deal and a probably TDL trade, Deslauriers is a 8 minute a night role player who blocks no one (real prospects aren't brought up for that role). The expectation was that Braun would be paired with York and eventually phased out for Attard in the spring.

You don't rebuild by throwing every prospect into the lineup willy, nilly, you gradually work in young players.
When Torts took over in TB, a similar situation, he didn't rush prospects into the lineup.
Same with CBJ, he worked in 3-4 players a season.


Sanheim is 26, not 30.

Here's a thought, don't have Deslauriers and have a prospect up and use them to lean less heavily on players in a back to back and better distribute ice time. Instead of what Torts just did.

You gradually work in young players? Do you truly forget all the lineups you were posting for opening day and the players that were in them? What a massive contradiction. You correctly identified that a Cates-Frost-Tippett line would be a great idea (I'd prefer Allison over Tippett as a higher upside chance, but whatever). They aren't doing that. They will probably never do it at this rate. And despite doing the wrong thing that you correctly identified as being wrong, you defend it.

We aren't even working in 3-4 players now. They should be. They aren't because Fletcher doesn't want to do that. And all those young players worked in in CBJ? That was on the GM.

 

[mize370]

Wonder what Hart would return in a trade before we totally abuse him.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They quit on how many players less than 10 games in and started replacing them instead of letting them play? That's bad development, and it's not rebuilding.

 

[deadhead]

The only "veterans" in the top 12 are Hayes (30), Deslauriers (31), Sedlak (29), Laughton (28).
8 slots for players to compete over:
3 for TK (25), Farabee (22), Cates (23).
The rest are wide open.

The top four D-men are Provorov (26), TDA (27), Sanheim (26), Rito (28).

You talk as this is an old team, the old men have already broken down.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Wonder what Hart would return in a trade before we totally abuse him.

Imagine the concept.

An injury prone goaltender, that has flashed between incredible to awful.

Imagine actually selling high, and not further hand cuffing the team with a mega extension at the first opportunity. They will never have the gall to even consider such a move - or an actual commitment to a true rebuild for a few seasons. They have jumped at every chance to re-sign the Hextall core they clearly feel is lacking, to market value. All except for Ghost.

Comical really.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The only "veterans" in the top 12 are Hayes (30), Deslauriers (31), Sedlak (29), Laughton (28).
8 slots for players to compete over:
3 for TK (25), Farabee (22), Cates (23).
The rest are wide open.

The top four D-men are Provorov (26), TDA (27), Sanheim (26), Rito (28).

You talk as this is an old team, the old men have already broken down.

When you just ignore the reality of Fletcher's preferences, I guess this makes sense.

Once you examine it objectively though it's obviously false. Nothing on this team is wide open. It's run by a guy who identified playing prospects as the whole problem with the team, and since then has steadily made moves to ensure that does'nt happen. When injuries caused it to happen anyway, it was back to the waiver wire. They're still square pegging those round holes at best, and burying players at worst.

 

[BiggE]

“God Emperor” John Tortorella:

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For real though, the myths and endless fiction that’s been written/said and is being written/said about Torts is absurd. He’s the ultimate “Just a Guy” JAG coach who gets propped up by authentics because he says dumb and angry shit to the media.

He is a smacked ass. He has always been a smacked ass. He will always be a smacked ass. Smacked. Ass.

I picture Torts as more a Beast Rabban type.

 

[captainpaxil]

delo is a guy you sign when you expect teams to run up the score and or players to pull overly cute moves on you. It's one thing to suck and another to not be embarrassed about doing so .

 

[Beef Invictus]

delo is a guy you sign when you expect teams to run up the score and or players to pull overly cute moves on you. It's one thing to suck and another to not be embarrassed about doing so .

And what exactly has he done to prevent that? Nothing. If anything he enhances the embarrassment.

Deslauriers is a guy they signed because Fletcher has been desperately trying to fill that tough -guy slot from day 1. He thinks it's a necessary role.