Speculation: 2022-23 Roster Thread Part II
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Potentially a top-6 of ...
Grant-Z-Terry
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We gotta keep Grant in the top-6 b/c of his net front presence as well as faceoff abilities. Grant can protect Z at faceoffs so that Z can cheat. If Z gets booted out, then Grant takes the draw.
Little thought experiment I did today. With a couple of exceptions, these players would all be 4th liners/3rd pairing on a good team, right?
Megna
Jones
Carrick
Grant
Silfverberg
Comtois
Leason
Benoit
White
Beaulieu
Shattenkirk
Megna
Jones
Carrick
Grant
Silfverberg
Comtois
Leason
Benoit
White
Beaulieu
Shattenkirk
WhatTheDuck
9 - 20 - 8
At best, for the most part
Good point. Some of these players wouldn't even crack rosters.
Crazy that they make up 50% of our team most nights.
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Of those you listed, I'd say only Jones, Grant, Silf,, and Shattenkirk would for sure be guys that play regularly on a good team... maybe Comtois depending on his motivation. And yes, those 4 would be 4th line, bottom pairing.
Smirnov2Chistov
Fire Greg Cronin!
The only bottom six players I would take on here is Jones, Carrick, Silf, Comtois and maybe Benoit. Everyone else is on the fringes of being AHL fodder.
dracom
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Little thought experiment I did today. With a couple of exceptions, these players would all be 4th liners/3rd pairing on a good team, right?
Megna - Healthy scratch
Jones - 4th line
Carrick - 3rd/4th liner
Grant -3rd/4th line
Silfverberg - 4th line/healthy scratch
Comtois - 4th line/ healthy scratch
Leason - healthy scratch
Benoit - 3rd pair
White - 3rd pair/ healthy scratch
Beaulieu - healthy scratch
Shattenkirk - 3rd pair
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That is incredibly generous to the forwards.
Megna is decent - he can play on a fourth line. I actually like him better than Jones FWIW.
Jones - I guess he's a fourth line player though he doesn't produce results. I'd like to see him traded.
Carrick is not an NHL 4th liner this year - he's seemingly not healthy. He is the only guy on the ducks to bring fighting/toughness, so I'd keep him.
Grant - at best, a 4th liner on any other team. Faceoff value.
Silf - sadly, no longer an NHL caliber player.
Leason - scratch
Agree with your defensive ratings generally, though Shat is barely a 5/6 at this point. On a good team, he's probably a scratch/7.
Megna - Healthy scratch
Jones - 4th line
Carrick - 3rd/4th liner
Grant -3rd/4th line
Silfverberg - 4th line/healthy scratch
Comtois - 4th line/ healthy scratch
Leason - healthy scratch
Benoit - 3rd pair
White - 3rd pair/ healthy scratch
Beaulieu - healthy scratch
Shattenkirk - 3rd pair
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That is incredibly generous to the forwards.
Megna is decent - he can play on a fourth line. I actually like him better than Jones FWIW.
Jones - I guess he's a fourth line player though he doesn't produce results. I'd like to see him traded.
Carrick is not an NHL 4th liner this year - he's seemingly not healthy. He is the only guy on the ducks to bring fighting/toughness, so I'd keep him.
Grant - at best, a 4th liner on any other team. Faceoff value.
Silf - sadly, no longer an NHL caliber player.
Leason - scratch
Agree with your defensive ratings generally, though Shat is barely a 5/6 at this point. On a good team, he's probably a scratch/7.
AngelDuck
Rak 'em up
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Is Benoit a 3rd pairing player anywhere else but Chicago and Columbus? He seems in over his head most of the time - especially lately.
I agree with the consensus though that we have 4-5 players that can’t hack it in this league
I agree with the consensus though that we have 4-5 players that can’t hack it in this league
Ducks DVM
sowcufucakky
This is how I see it as well. I’d put Comtois in as a 4th liner as well, as I don’t see his defensive play as good enough for the average 3rd line. Leason keeps showing potential to be a middle 6 players for 2-3 games, then disappearing. Hoping he’s just a typical larger framed guy who takes longer to figure his frame out.
TheGoodShepard1
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IMO, he's still a relatively good defender if you put him in well-defined tight areas in the corners and around the front of the net, but his foot speed is a major issue and is highlighted as a red flag on this team where the majority of defensemen are also poor skaters (hence why I thought he looked passable with Klingberg). It's also been exacerbated over the past few games because his partner is Shattenkirk, who has zero awareness of what's going on in his own end.
I would agree with the assessment that in a perfect world, he functions as your 7D in a Holzer-type role who can competently fill in for a few games if needed.
I think Benoit is a guy with upside and could actually be a 4/5 with the right partner (which is not Shattenkirk). I view him as a maturing version of Manson (probably won't ever be that good).
Agree with you - put him with a better skating/passing partner and he'd be pretty solid. In any event, I want him on my bottom pair for his physicality.
bsu
"I have no idea what I am doing" -Pat VerBleak
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Benoit will shine when our prospects are ready.
Considering the team around him has gotten worse, this is a good sign...
Interestingly, I think that Grant is the best of all of them in that group. He was who I had in mind when I thought "with some exceptions," because I think he could play on the 3rd line even on a top team.
It's very frustrating to see an exciting play building and then realize that one of these guys are involved, because it reduces the chances of scoring by about 95%, especially Jones and Megna. They are practically allergic to scoring goals.
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Another way to see this is... the team constructed for this season is less talented than last season. The talented players are still producing at a high level like Z, Terry, Rico, McTavish, and Fowler. Drysdale missing the season doesn't help.
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AngelDuck
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Henrique’s injury being somewhat serious would just be worst case scenario this time of year
Fingers crossed it’s nothing major
Fingers crossed it’s nothing major
The Midnight Burrito
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hard to believe considering the weather today, but supposed to be 80F or so
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I'm honestly surprised his defense only went up by 4 percent per those stats. I think a 20 is fair but last season he would have been closer to 0 for me. It was fun to watch him visibly have no idea what he was supposed to be doing in the defensive zone. Now he knows what to do he's just not good at it yet.
Yeah this year the defense is so bad around him it’s really giving him a lot of credit to how he improved. I’ve seen it with the eye test. He is making more of those plays to get the puck out of danger but is still getting pinned. that’s more on the defense, imo.
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