Speculation: 2022-23 Roster Thread Part II

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JlindiesANA

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if there's one guy i wouldn't mind PV throwing money at, it's pastrnak. this team has lacked any sort of elite goal-scoring since perry in the early 2010s

Couldn’t say it any better. And I think he could work with a McTavish line. Throw Bedard on left wing?

Bedard - McTavish - Pastrnak 😳

That’s a sexy line if I ever seen one. That may very well be our best line haha.

Edit: Bedard does shoot right. So he can play left wing imo
 
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Ducks have a pretty tricky schedule up ahead. two real tough games remaining on the homestead, then off for a six game road trip. while some of the teams on the trip aren't very good, this team is even worse on the road and i certainly don't expect them to fare all that well.

Have to agree, lots of these bubble teams are going all for it. It started with Boston 7-1 it’ll continue to be like that is my guess with the remaining schedule. It’s good to see CBJ being competitive again, and Chicago is on a hot streak. Two wins.

Very exciting time to watch hockey whether you’re losers or winners. The seeding always gets me excited
 
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I think two more years, depending on how fast our prospect D acclimate to the pro game and if we can sign our two NCAA D in LaCombe and Thrun.

2023-24
D LaCombe & D Thrun in NHL. D Andersson &/or Helleson NHL call up.​
D Minty, D Zell, D Hinds, G Clang, and RW Pasta in AHL. (Maybe LW Tschigerl in AHL too.)​

2024-25
D Helleson/Andersson and D Hinds in NHL. D Minty and D Zell call ups to NHL.​
D Luneau, D Warren, and LW Hvidston to AHL.​

2025-26
Verbeek pursues top veterans.
Two years is best case scenario. I am thinking 3, 4, or 5 is more realistic.

Little to negative value on most of those
This is simply not true. Easily checked here: NHL Trade Tracker - History of NHL trades - Fantasy Hockey Analysis
 
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2 years is being overly optimistic but I think by the 3rd year is very possible. There are a lot of “ifs” but if most of them go the right way, you never know.

Is it safe to say? That if Anaheim lands Bedard and they get Pastrnak and continue signing vets. Could this team be a playoff team next year.

Shattenkirk is gone, Klingberg. Possibly trade Gibson for Dostal to be the number 1. Could this team quickly turn it around. Also Anaheim has those second rounders this year. If it’s locked in on Bedard?

Could Verbeek flip this entire script over and be playoff position with its draft capital, and it’s resources of money for next years team.

 

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Is it safe to say? That if Anaheim lands Bedard and they get Pastrnak and continue signing vets. Could this team be a playoff team next year.

Shattenkirk is gone, Klingberg. Possibly trade Gibson for Dostal to be the number 1. Could this team quickly turn it around. Also Anaheim has those second rounders this year. If it’s locked in on Bedard?

Could Verbeek flip this entire script over and be playoff position with its draft capital, and it’s resources of money for next years team.



If they land Bedard , think the rebuild will speed up. But they still need to address the D.
 

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If they land Bedard , think the rebuild will speed up. But they still need to address the D.

Yah I agree with ya. But that kid Zellweger and Minty may keep our costs down. We sign some old vets while Zell and Minty are on ELC? They take third pairing while we sign second pairings.

We could get Gostisbehere. Lots of defense are available and UFA. I think this pick seriously will be a determining factor of where we go. If it’s Bedard? The Ducks spend every dime of the cap. If it’s Carlsson they will be hesitant on spending money.

Really interesting on a damn draft pick and where a franchise goes to on the trail
 
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Starting to seriously wonder if we just don't qualify Comtois at $2.45M in the offseason and risk arbitration. Verbeek didn't acquire him
I don’t think Verbeek will cut Comtois loose.

Steel was undersized and without a role. Comtois at least brings size and physicality to an otherwise soft top 9 group.

Yes, he needs to produce more. To be fair though, no one outside the top 6 scores.

Comtois 30 GP 5 goals
Silfverberg 40 GP 5 goals
Leason 35 GP 3 goals
Grant 15 GP 2 goals
Carrick 26 GP 2 goals
Jones 28 GP 2 goals
Regenda 14 GP 1 goal
Lundestrom 24 GP 1 goal
Gawdin 3 GP no goals
Kirkland 7 GP no goals
Megna 14 GP no goals
 

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I think with a competant Coach.. and No Shats.. No Klinberg.. Some better UFA signings. This team should shoot for a playoff spot next year... The system or lack of is the problem for this team.. players have no idea whats going on half the time..
 

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Got the burger special for lunch today at my local area bar for my break. They are showing Ducks highlights from last night on the tv screens.

It made me think what the asking price would be for Pastrnak. I mean is Anaheim really drafting 3 second rounders this year, Anaheim has been hoarding this stuff for years now. And they already reloaded the defense the past few years.

Aren’t these expendable for an upgrade in the top 6? It’s gonna be interesting to the say the least Duck fans come March.
 

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once we land the #1 pick and sign pastrnak to a huge contract, we'll be contending for the playoffs as early as next season

Pasta leaving Boston? Highly unlikely, he’ll probably take a discount to keep that successful core together

Got the burger special for lunch today at my local area bar for my break. They are showing Ducks highlights from last night on the tv screens.

It made me think what the asking price would be for Pastrnak. I mean is Anaheim really drafting 3 second rounders this year, Anaheim has been hoarding this stuff for years now. And they already reloaded the defense the past few years.

Aren’t these expendable for an upgrade in the top 6? It’s gonna be interesting to the say the least Duck fans come March.

Why would Pasternak leave a successful Bruins team, to come to a last place dumpster fire?
 

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II’m always surprised to find that there’s a lot of people who are positive that we’re going to turn it around in a two or three years. I really feel like this Team will only start competing again in year four or (worse) five

2022-23: Year 1 <-- We are here
2023-24: Year 2
2024-25: Year 3
2025-26: Year 4 <-- If all things go well, then this is when GM Verbeek starts making moves from outside the org.

Trust me, I was forced to watch this debacle with my cousins who are all diehard Bruins fans. I think a lot of things have to go right in order for this team to compete in about 2 to 3 years. I don’t think people realize that we just lack skill everywhere, even on offense. Terry, Zegras and McTavish all can’t do it on their own.

I wonder what’s going to happen on defense and more importantly Gibson. If we trade him, just sets us back even more

My feeling is a majority of this board believe we should have competed this year with this roster. It's why many believe a new coach will change fortunes. I've already compared this year's start with last year's start with a change in GM, a loss of PP assistant coach, and significant roster turnover both at the NHL as well as AHL levels. Rather than admit the roster is shit and it's a rebuild, which our own new GM admitted in early October of this season, fans still believe we should be competing for a playoff spot.

2020-21: first 20 games, 6 - 10 - 4 (16 pts), five regulation wins​
2021-22: first 20 games, 10 - 7 - 3 (23 pts), seven regulation wins​
2022-23: first 20 games, 6 - 13 - 1 (13 pts), one regulation win​

When we win, it's terrible for the tank. When we lose, it's coach Eakins or former GM Murray's fault and the team doesn't compete. It's a very whimsical logic from game to game.

This Bruins game was a debacle before it even began. Our first meeting with Boston, they were missing great talents and Lindholm carrying the Bruins defense. Since then, they've got those missing talents back, including #1D McAvoy. Must be nice having two 1D's on the same team.

Before Verbeek, I thought our forward youth core was set with RW Terry, C Zegras, C Lundy, and C McTavish. They all just needed development time to be considered established. I expected that quartet to carry the future since three out of the four I factored in to become NHL stars. Under Verbeek, we're projected a top-4 pick in this year draft and that top four can contribute either right away (Bedard), one-and-done (Fantilli and Carlsson), or four years later (Michkov). That would give the Ducks four top-6 forwards with their youth core.

At netminder, we are deep with Gibby, Stolarz, and Dostal. We drafted a Stolarz clone in Alexander in 2021. Then Verbeek acquired G Clang in a trade. The Ducks have strong depth in net. I'm confident in Dostal if he's the future, as long as he doesn't start back-to-back games.

The blueline will be the hardest to rise from the dead. It didn't help that last year the two NCAA guys didn't sign. It also didn't help that Drysdale incurred a season ending injury early this season. It also didn't help that Andersson is made out of glass for the past two seasons in the AHL. IMO, getting the two NCAA guys will help shorten the timeline to relevancy as they're probably better than Vaaks, White, and Benoit. Although everyone's on the Zell and Minty wagon, I'm more excited about Hinds and his defensive play b/c it looks to translate well to the NHL level and something we desperately need.

Because we have a lot of prospective talent depth on the blueline with even more draft picks coming, Anaheim can use them as trade capital for NHL talent.

2025-26 season is when we should be making strides to add outside talent and gunning for a playoff spot.
 
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Who on that list has good value? Klingberg is the "prize" on that list. What are you expecting?

You are correct. Besides this NHL ‘core’ of Zegras, Terry, McTavish, Lundestrom, Drysdale, and Dostal, everyone else has limited value, or none.

We got more money to spend. Like @Terry Yake said. We can outbid Boston 100% for Pastrnak. All long term. They are cap deprived

We had plenty of cap this summer to overpay slightly to get an upgrade and certain players and Verbeek didn’t do that.

I just don’t see how Pasta leaves. I live in Boston. The guy is adored everywhere.

You could say the same scenario with Arizona or even Buffalo. He could go there, but I think Boston will make moves happen before they let Pasternak go.
 
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Is it safe to say? That if Anaheim lands Bedard and they get Pastrnak and continue signing vets. Could this team be a playoff team next year.

Shattenkirk is gone, Klingberg. Possibly trade Gibson for Dostal to be the number 1. Could this team quickly turn it around. Also Anaheim has those second rounders this year. If it’s locked in on Bedard?

Could Verbeek flip this entire script over and be playoff position with its draft capital, and it’s resources of money for next years team.

Got the burger special for lunch today at my local area bar for my break. They are showing Ducks highlights from last night on the tv screens.

It made me think what the asking price would be for Pastrnak. I mean is Anaheim really drafting 3 second rounders this year, Anaheim has been hoarding this stuff for years now. And they already reloaded the defense the past few years.

Aren’t these expendable for an upgrade in the top 6? It’s gonna be interesting to the say the least Duck fans come March.

When Verbeek joined the Ducks, we already had Terry, Z, Lundy, and Drysdale in the NHL. We also had a top-5 farm team as well that didn't include Terry, Z, Lundy and Drysdale. We had D Lindholm, D Manson, F Rakell, and LW Des. Verbeek didn't need to reset the rebuild as it looked we were getting out of it. If Verbeek wanted to spend money, then he could have kept the team and then added more talent like adding D Maata as well as F Burakovsky along with F Nino. The team was missing talent depth. Rather than go that route, Verbeek reset the rebuild back years.

This past off-season, before the draft, many on here thought that Verbeek could package some draft picks to acquire talent so we can be competitive this season. Verbeek did no such thing.

Verbeek wants to build around Terry, Zegras, and Drysdale, which is why Verbeek has strict age to contract length limits. That's why we are going to keep all of our draft picks because Verbeek needs as many chances of finding players to fill up an NHL roster as well as depth. He will use that depth to keep Anaheim's cap space controlled. Again, Verbeek stated in his own words, "I blew up the team" at the TDL. Verbeek is looking for plugs until prospects can fill up the NHL roster.

This is Verbeek's gamble. So far the results are meh: D Vaaks = meh, D Helleson = meh, C Strome = meh, F Vatrano = meh, D Klingberg = refund, D Beaulieu + D White = meh
 

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I think if adds more muscle and works on his game , should be ok. I prefer he just stay at C, and try and work it out, it’s not like the Ducks focus are wins now.
I think he looked good at 2C, but he doesn’t have the muscle (or emotional maturity) to deal with the significantly harder minutes of a 1C.

It would be kinda funny - everyone thought Zegras would be the 1C and McTavish the 2C, but it could well be the reverse IF this year is indicative of the future. Very big if though.
 
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Pasta leaving Boston? Highly unlikely, he’ll probably take a discount to keep that successful core together



Why would Pasternak leave a successful Bruins team, to come to a last place dumpster fire?
The same reason that Fedorov left Detroit to come to Anaheim. Money In a flat cap year in this case to boot.

I think there’s zero chance that Verbeek would throw that type of money and term at him, but that’s always the reason.
 

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When Verbeek joined the Ducks, we already had Terry, Z, Lundy, and Drysdale in the NHL. We also had a top-5 farm team as well that didn't include Terry, Z, Lundy and Drysdale. We had D Lindholm, D Manson, F Rakell, and LW Des. Verbeek didn't need to reset the rebuild as it looked we were getting out of it. If Verbeek wanted to spend money, then he could have kept the team and then added more talent like adding D Maata as well as F Burakovsky along with F Nino. The team was missing talent depth. Rather than go that route, Verbeek reset the rebuild back years.

This past off-season, before the draft, many on here thought that Verbeek could package some draft picks to acquire talent so we can be competitive this season. Verbeek did no such thing.

Verbeek wants to build around Terry, Zegras, and Drysdale, which is why Verbeek has strict age to contract length limits. That's why we are going to keep all of our draft picks because Verbeek needs as many chances of finding players to fill up an NHL roster as well as depth. He will use that depth to keep Anaheim's cap space controlled. Again, Verbeek stated in his own words, "I blew up the team" at the TDL. Verbeek is looking for plugs until prospects can fill up the NHL roster.

This is Verbeek's gamble. So far the results are meh: D Vaaks = meh, D Helleson = meh, C Strome = meh, F Vatrano = meh, D Klingberg = refund, D Beaulieu + D White = meh
You left out an important piece of information. Rakell, Manson, and Lindholm were nearing the end of their UFA season and Ducks weren't a playoff team with them on the roster.
 
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