2022-23 Roster Discussion

KingBogo

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I think that's a mistake. You want guys with 1000 games of experience in the playoffs
I think also how you treat the older players hanging on to their careers helps keep the door open to sign the better depth players in the off season. These guys don't mind the odd game in the PB, but in no way do the want to be playing in the AHL.
 

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I think also how you treat the older players hanging on to their careers helps keep the door open to sign the better depth players in the off season. These guys don't mind the odd game in the PB, but in no way do the want to be playing in the AHL.
Winning also attracts better fa. Everyone wants to go to a winner. Kuhlman over Gagner keeps kc and wheeler off pk and fresher for attacking!
 

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My lineup for a healthy Jets team.

Ehlers Scheif Wheeler
KC PLD Perfetti
Barron Lowry Apples
Sak Stenlund Gagner

Gus

JMo DD
Dillon Schmidt
Samberg Pionk

Stanley/Heinola
I don’t think the coaches will play Perfetti on his off wing as a first choice. That limits the mix and match you can do a bit with the wingers in the top 6.
 

Zhamnov5GoalGame

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Maybe. 11 playoff games and 0 goals though.

Kuhlman's got 16 NHL playoff games and a goal.
How's Kulhman's scoring going with the Jets so far?
If were healthy and add anyone for the playoffs then neither of these guys are guaranteed to be in the line up.
Kulhman has some skills but offence and scoring seems to be pretty low on the list.
Gagner when not playing above his current level can still kick in some goals and assists.
If the Jets can keep Sam around the pressbox he may still be able to pitch in if needed.

Kulhman seems like a guy that we would replace with a better forward who can bring what he does (speed etc...) but with more offence.
 
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So I found an upload of the Jets first game against selanne in 2011, which I attendeded, so I was interested in how the broadcast sounded with the booing/cheering everytime selanne was on the ice, and I saw a big bodied 17 control the puck, and Bob Cole called it as Fehr, and was taken aback because Im used to that number being lowry. Completely forgot he was an AHL glory signing for the Jets in year one, lol.

Jets - release that year one DVD FFS. I will buy it.

Man that year one crowd was something special.

Oh man, I just wanna give constant commentary on this game. At one point there was a Kyle wellwood, Andrew Ladd, nik antopov line LMFAO.

I should put wellwood 13 on my reverse retro, lol.

Such incredible BS that the Anaheim broadcast stayed for the selanne tribute but HNIC couldn't.
 
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Maybe. 11 playoff games and 0 goals though.

Kuhlman's got 16 NHL playoff games and a goal.
I think that's inconsequential (just the differential). I don't want to argue too strongly because I don't think the Jets will need to lose any more players.
 

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How's Kulhman's scoring going with the Jets so far?
If were healthy and add anyone for the playoffs then neither of these guys are guaranteed to be in the line up.
Kulhman has some skills but offence and scoring seems to be pretty low on the list.
Gagner when not playing above his current level can still kick in some goals and assists.
If the Jets can keep Sam around the pressbox he may still be able to pitch in if needed.

Kulhman seems like a guy that we would replace with a better forward who can bring what he does (speed etc...) but with more offence.
Maybe. But if things go well for us neither guy will be near the top 6 or PP. Like you say hopefully we add a middle 6 guy. I personally don’t feel Gagner is a NHL player at this point and he doesn’t have a ton of utility. Yeah he’s got some puck savvy but he’s not overly engaged most of the time. If it comes down to Gagner or AJF or Kuhlman he’d be the first of those guys to hit waivers for me.

I think that's inconsequential (just the differential). I don't want to argue too strongly because I don't think the Jets will need to lose any more players.
I guess my point is that Gagner’s 1000 games are somewhat inconsequential to what he contributes in the next 50 games.

So I found an upload of the Jets first game against selanne in 2011, which I attendeded, so I was interested in how the broadcast sounded with the booing/cheering everytime selanne was on the ice, and I saw a big bodied 17 control the puck, and Bob Cole called it as Fehr, and was taken aback because Im used to that number being lowry. Completely forgot he was an AHL glory signing for the Jets in year one, lol.

Jets - release that year one DVD FFS. I will buy it.

Man that year one crowd was something special.

Oh man, I just wanna give constant commentary on this game. At one point there was a Kyle wellwood, Andrew Ladd, nik antopov line LMFAO.

I should put wellwood 13 on my reverse retro, lol.

Such incredible BS that the Anaheim broadcast stayed for the selanne tribute but HNIC couldn't.
They traded for Fehr. I think a 3rd round pick and a AHL player who never made the NHL.
 

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Not sure what the gagner hate is? Chips in some offense, good offensive IQ. Think he's fine defensively for a winger. As a bottom 6er he's fine. Out of all the turnstile of wingers we tried in the top 6 when Wheeler and Ehlers were hurt, I think gagner was the most effective (not that the alternatives were anything great).

Gagner as a 4th line wing, paired with a bit of a more offensively skilled center I think would be fine. Gus just doesn't have it at the nhl level yet.

I think we do need a better third line winger. Appleton might be that guy but honestly haven't been super impressed with him since we got him back last year.

Also id keep Harkins in over ajf
 

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So I found an upload of the Jets first game against selanne in 2011, which I attendeded, so I was interested in how the broadcast sounded with the booing/cheering everytime selanne was on the ice, and I saw a big bodied 17 control the puck, and Bob Cole called it as Fehr, and was taken aback because Im used to that number being lowry. Completely forgot he was an AHL glory signing for the Jets in year one, lol.

Jets - release that year one DVD FFS. I will buy it.

Man that year one crowd was something special.

Oh man, I just wanna give constant commentary on this game. At one point there was a Kyle wellwood, Andrew Ladd, nik antopov line LMFAO.

I should put wellwood 13 on my reverse retro, lol.

Such incredible BS that the Anaheim broadcast stayed for the selanne tribute but HNIC couldn't.

Fehr actually went on to play a handful of good seasons after leaving the Jets, he just came back from shoulder surgery too soon when he came here. From what I understand he really wanted to play for the Jets. There was someone on here who pulled a Fehr Jets card from the first run of cards with the Jets on them and threw it up on Ebay, not really expecting it to sell but ended up selling to Eric himself.
 

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How's Kulhman's scoring going with the Jets so far?
If were healthy and add anyone for the playoffs then neither of these guys are guaranteed to be in the line up.
Kulhman has some skills but offence and scoring seems to be pretty low on the list.
Gagner when not playing above his current level can still kick in some goals and assists.
If the Jets can keep Sam around the pressbox he may still be able to pitch in if needed.

Kulhman seems like a guy that we would replace with a better forward who can bring what he does (speed etc...) but with more offence.
I don't think the Jets are worried about Kuhlman's offense. I've noticed a few passes bounce off his stick, as he isn't an elite offensive player, but I like the way he battles on the puck. For me I see his role as replacing Appleton, and you think of where the Jets started the year, it was Lowry and Apples on the 1st PK. Gustafsson and Maenalanen on the 2nd. Both those wingers are out of the lineup. But the Jets PK hasn't missed a beat. Kuhlman is tenacious on the PK. He has a good motor and can cover ice like Appleton and Maenalanen defensively, which is something I think was lacking with both Harkins and Eyssimont. They also had good motors, but their defensive game wasn't all that strong. I think Kuhlman could score some unlikely goals in the role he is now. I really like the edgework he has which gets some strong net drives. He seems like a low centre of gravity player who can be tenacious on pucks.

This isn't the old Jets. Penalty killing is a source of pride for this team. 4th in the league. Shutting down top PPs. None of the guys contributing to special teams beyond Lowry, and to a lesser extent Barron, have brought much offense this year. But when you win special teams within the game, you often win the game. And that's the results you are looking for...

When Appleton comes back I suspect Kuhlman goes down the lineup, and then is in a battle for the 4th line role with Sam Gagner. Two different players and skillsets.
 

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Have to think there will be a market for Patrick Kane and Jonathon Toews in the next month or so. Both guys on last year on contract, with a ton of playoff experience, and cup rings and on a team that will go all in on the Beard sweepstakes.

The Jets are well balanced and are legitimately a good team this years and I can see Chevy bringing in a veteran rental on board to help this team navigate the playoffs. What this team lacks is a guy, or guys, who have been deep in the playoffs and know what it takes to win.

Will something like that happen? I don't know. I do know that those guys I mentioned will be in demand for those reasons and I wonder if Chevy has them, other others like them, circled as TD pick ups.
 

KingBogo

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Have to think there will be a market for Patrick Kane and Jonathon Toews in the next month or so. Both guys on last year on contract, with a ton of playoff experience, and cup rings and on a team that will go all in on the Beard sweepstakes.

The Jets are well balanced and are legitimately a good team this years and I can see Chevy bringing in a veteran rental on board to help this team navigate the playoffs. What this team lacks is a guy, or guys, who have been deep in the playoffs and know what it takes to win.

Will something like that happen? I don't know. I do know that those guys I mentioned will be in demand for those reasons and I wonder if Chevy has them, other others like them, circled as TD pick ups.
P. Kane will cost a lot. He will be aggressively pursued by several teams.
 

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Have to think there will be a market for Patrick Kane and Jonathon Toews in the next month or so. Both guys on last year on contract, with a ton of playoff experience, and cup rings and on a team that will go all in on the Beard sweepstakes.

The Jets are well balanced and are legitimately a good team this years and I can see Chevy bringing in a veteran rental on board to help this team navigate the playoffs. What this team lacks is a guy, or guys, who have been deep in the playoffs and know what it takes to win.

Will something like that happen? I don't know. I do know that those guys I mentioned will be in demand for those reasons and I wonder if Chevy has them, other others like them, circled as TD pick ups.
Honestly with the players Chicago already has coming plus a nice chance to get Bedard if I'm P Kane I might just wait this one out and re-sign with the Hawks.
 

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Honestly with the players Chicago already has coming plus a nice chance to get Bedard if I'm P Kane I might just wait this one out and re-sign with the Hawks.
He can do both if he wants. There is no rule against re-signing with your old team in the offseason.
 
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He can do both if he wants. There is no rule against re-signing with your old team in the offseason.
Sure, but he's already got 3 cups with the team he's played his whole career with. Is he really that pumped to go play 20 games with the Canes or Devils and then go back? I doubt he's traded. It's not like a multitude of other guys chasing a ring, he's got rings.
 

KingBogo

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Sure, but he's already got 3 cups with the team he's played his whole career with. Is he really that pumped to go play 20 games with the Canes or Devils and then go back? I doubt he's traded. It's not like a multitude of other guys chasing a ring, he's got rings.
Why not? Better than losing every game. And it isn’t just 20 games it is being part of a playoff run and maybe another cup. Star players are ultra competitive and choose being in the fight 100% of the time over an early tee time.
 

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I don't really know where to post this but I thought it was a good article, with a little bit on insight into how the Jets have improved their PK this year, and turned it into points. Sounds like a part of it was coaching, part leadership from within. Interesting that Dillon is quoted in the article, and someone quoted him last year saying about the complete opposite of the Jets PK.

 

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I don't really know where to post this but I thought it was a good article, with a little bit on insight into how the Jets have improved their PK this year, and turned it into points. Sounds like a part of it was coaching, part leadership from within. Interesting that Dillon is quoted in the article, and someone quoted him last year saying about the complete opposite of the Jets PK.

pk has been a remarkable improvement compared to the last few years. i attribute a lot to the change in coach staff/system or style. how this team/org made little to no changes year after year while the PK was one of the worst in the league is beyond me.
 

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pk has been a remarkable improvement compared to the last few years. i attribute a lot to the change in coach staff/system or style. how this team/org made little to no changes year after year while the PK was one of the worst in the league is beyond me.

I have said many times before that Maurice has no clue how to coach a modern PK and that is being proven more correct by the day.

Why not? Better than losing every game. And it isn’t just 20 games it is being part of a playoff run and maybe another cup. Star players are ultra competitive and choose being in the fight 100% of the time over an early tee time.

Yup look at how pissed Toews was last summer when interviewed about a rebuild. These guys don't like loosing and want no part in rebuilds.
 

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