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Yep. Friday night, 3 game streak, Lighting embarrassed the game before? Almost certain.
A Sunday home game against Vancouver and a trip to Detroit could be good for them though.
2022-23 Roster Discussion
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Yep. Friday night, 3 game streak, Lighting embarrassed the game before? Almost certain.
A Sunday home game against Vancouver and a trip to Detroit could be good for them though.
Mikey on waivers. Maybe the keep up 8 defense at least for now.
There is going to be some rust and some cohesion issues for a few games imo.
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I think that Swedish meatball line can configure in a multitude of ways. Gustafsson on LW, AJF at RW, or more naturally Gustafsson at C, and Stenlund at RW. He may have had a bad game at LW, after setting up a goal on his first shift in that position against Vancouver. But that's far from conclusive about the player. The one thing I notice from a defensive minded perspective is that taking Gustafsson off the PK with Lowry and Stenlund usually starting the 1st shift, where there are no weakness on the faceoffs now, is that there is no second centre to back those 2 up. So I wonder if the units get reconfigured, or if somebody else like Scheifele gets some time on the PK. I still see Gus getting back in the lineup, I think it's just hard to bench Gagner after he gets a GWG for his team. And Tampa isn't a team that is particularly fast in their bottom lines.
As for Heinola I am not sure that Samberg gets taken out of the lineup for him, you definitely don't want Josh playing significant minutes on the PK if he is banged up, but having 8 defensemen can allow you to sit one who is maybe injured but playing through it. I think the door is also open for putting him in 7 d alignment.
It's sure nice to see a semblance of a regular lineup. The one guy I think who still has to prove something is Kuhlman in the checking line role. That's Appleton's spot, and probably Maenalanen's when he gets back.
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They should be able to plug and play any of our dmen on the PK imo. They have used all except Ville on it this year and Ville plays top unit PK on the Moose.
If all Snerg is contributing is PK play then I don't think that should keep him in.
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The thing is that zone clears affects Corsi, and CF%. So yes, CF% does track zone clears, just not as a separate item. Anything that actually affects the outcomes of games shows up in Corsi, one way or another.
That does not mean that it isn't important or useful to track these things separately.
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I'm not impressed with either AJF or Gagner on the 4th line instead of Gus and Maenalanen. I assume that Saku is not ready yet.
I can see a competition between Gus and AJF for 4LW. Flowbee's speed might give him an edge, though he doesn't have much other than the speed. Gagner still has some finish and his lack of speed will be less important on the 4th line than it was on the 1st.
Who gets waived when we get fully healthy?
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I mean, it's a weird injury to wheeler, I don't think it's a normal recovery.
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Agree, but Gus is going to need to find at least some offense if he wants to stay in the NHL.
I'm still pulling for Snerg, but he needs to reduce the brainfarts. He is still waiver exempt. Maybe another stint in the A would be good for him.
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I've been having that same feeling of impending doom. Just insecurity. Might be cured by a beer or 2.I'm pulling for him as well but like Gus he needs to be able to bring more then just solid PK ability to the table. I found him better last year, this year he's handling the puck like a grenade and I haven't seen any indication he's improving in that regard.
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You would have to think that if Heinola is with the club he is getting some practice reps in that spot, as few practices as there are, and Bowness would also be relying on information he gets from Mark Morrison about the player. I still see Samberg even playing 6 minutes a night, with 3 of them on the PK as being a more effective player than say Gagner, with no special teams role now, so that's where I would look at him as being still very much useful. Best metrics on the PK on the team. Do we win the Edmonton game without Samberg on the PK at the end? Dillon's penalty against Calgary put an injured Morrissey on the PK over Ville so I am not sure the coaching staff has the same confidence that you do.
I mean there is some leeway to find out what Heinola can do with a bit of a cushion on Colorado so if it did happen that Ville found a way into the lineup over Samberg, because of 5 on 5 play, I think that now is the time to see what he can bring in all facets of the game.
One thing for sure is that I see special teams as more important than analytics, and I am not sure we agree on that.
Ehlers!!!
Great to see Cole P, Wheeler and Schmidt back also.
But Ehlers!!! At last, the return of the Dutch/Danish Deelite!
Great to see Cole P, Wheeler and Schmidt back also.
But Ehlers!!! At last, the return of the Dutch/Danish Deelite!
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I think Snerg was better earlier this year too. It is just the last 2-3, maybe 4 games he seems to have slipped a bit.
I want him as a regular, not up and down and sideways like some others have been. But he might need a bit of a reset. Point out 1 or 2 things for him to work on and send him to the Moose to work on them for 4-5 games. I assume he is getting the coaching where he is but he doesn't seem to be progressing right now.
That opens a spot for Ville.
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LOL I was thinking the exact same thing.
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That strikes me as an odd thing to say. I know you don't have a lot of respect for analytics but how is it a choice between special teams and analytics? Both 5v5 and ST play can be tracked and analyzed.
You clearly put a lot of emphasis on special teams. You are not wrong.
It has been Helle and ST that has got us to where we are today. Not sure, but I expect analytics will back that up.As things stand right now, I like the 7 D idea. It may be both the best way to win games and the best way to give our young D the opportunity to establish themselves.
Special teams are important but the bulk of the game is still played 5 on 5. I just don't see a massive drop off in whoever is on the PK. I associate PK success more so to systems and the goalie then I do to the individual components of it. Look how many make shift forwards have been deployed their lately for instance and we have seen zero drop off in performance.
glad to see stenlund in over Gus. its 4th line so it's pretty inconsequential in the grand scheme however the supposed "lowry replacement" does nothing out there. last time he scored a goal i was still getting ID'd in clubs, wrong side of the shot/chance/goal share, bad FO%. ppl crapped on the vets chevy would bring in yet Gus is just as bad, perhaps worse. thank god lowry has shown some offensive punch this year as a 3c for real otherwise our bottom-6 would really be hurting. i think they'll be in the market at the TDL for a middle-6 W/C. someone who could spot in at 4C for us but also be elevated to a 3W and not look out of place when necessary. I was surprised at how little Barron has scored this year too for all the hype he got last year once acquired.
excited to see the connor-dubois-ehlers line, although i think scheifele-ehlers would be a bit of a better fit. ehlers plays well with anyone so not overly concerned though. i brought it up in the Jets Defense thread i believe, but i think our top-4 should still have dillon-schmidt as a 2nd pair over pionk.
excited to see the connor-dubois-ehlers line, although i think scheifele-ehlers would be a bit of a better fit. ehlers plays well with anyone so not overly concerned though. i brought it up in the Jets Defense thread i believe, but i think our top-4 should still have dillon-schmidt as a 2nd pair over pionk.
I'd switch Blake and Nik myself as well as I think it balances out speed and scoring on each of the top 6 lines but there are now a number of combinations that can be tried moving forward.
i think it was one of the GDT where someone was mentioning harkins wasn't doing much. i remember checking the production, he with lowry this year have been pretty solid by the stats (shot attempts, goals for, xGF). id rather have Harkins in that spot than Saku M based on what they've shown this year. Actually, even now id rather have Harkins in the lineup than AJF or Gus.
I don't think sending Samberg down will help him. His underlying numbers this season have improved across the board. Yes he has the odd brain fart, but do you send him down and say work on not having a brain fart? This is the opposite argument used to keep Heinola up, that you need to learn and develop as a young defenseman against NHL competition. This isn't counting that he is becoming quite a good PKer, which has been an important part of our success.
