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506 said:
Like the Wheatcroft signing - essentially no risk. I wonder if that was the contract that was "planned" for Logan Morrison?
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Not really, more like Roulettes contract. Then Ertels went to McDonald.

Going into the season both those guys had a decent shot to earn a contract but they went with one year older guys who showed a lot more this year.
 
With the COVID seasons not offering the best ability to scout players or for player development I wonder if the % we hit on some of these overagers is higher than normal.
 
M88K said:
I still hope he has to miss the tournament. Just so that the wasted year was entirely for nothing
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I wouldn't wish that on him. He's probably dreamed of the Memorial Cup as much as he has the NHL. While I think he would have been okay at the NHL level this season I also think this extra year in the WHL hasn't hurt him and he'll be more prepared for next season with the Stars.
 
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Hull Fan said:
I wouldn't wish that on him. He's probably dreamed of the Memorial Cup as much as he has the NHL. While I think he would have been okay at the NHL level this season I also think this extra year in the WHL hasn't hurt him and he'll be more prepared for next season with the Stars.
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Meh, I don't see how dominating the WHL for another year is going to help him prepare for the NHL, if that were the case, more of the overagers would pan out.
If he wins it, well i'll be happy for him, but i'd really like for Gaglardi to get nothing out of his meddling.
 
Holy overreaction. Stankoven isn't even an 'overager' per CHL standards. He's in his 19 y/o season.

There's only 3 players drafted after Stankoven that have played in the NHL. He is on a completely normal development path, even if he's been a top dog at the junior levels.
 
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Satan said:
Holy overreaction. Stankoven isn't even an 'overager' per CHL standards. He's in his 19 y/o season.

There's only 3 players drafted after Stankoven that have played in the NHL. He is on a completely normal development path, even if he's been a top dog at the junior levels.
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Yes, it's a completely normal development path for an NHL ready player to be sent back to the CHL because an NHL owner "Must win my Memorial Cup"

We'll just agree to disagree. Stankoven had nothing left to learn at the CHL level.

The only league he could have benefited from playing in besides the NHL is the AHL, and that wasn't an option, but 100% no doubt in my mind if it were, he would have still been sent back to the WHL because Gaglardi wants his stupid Memorial Cup. And I hope he doesn't get it, more so I hope that Stankoven cannot play.
 
Satan said:
Holy overreaction. Stankoven isn't even an 'overager' per CHL standards. He's in his 19 y/o season.

There's only 3 players drafted after Stankoven that have played in the NHL. He is on a completely normal development path, even if he's been a top dog at the junior levels.
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Mem Cup & World Juniors.. I think it was good to go back this year myself. Plus now Johnston and him have staggered ELCs.
 
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M88K said:
Yes, it's a completely normal development path for an NHL ready player to be sent back to the CHL because an NHL owner "Must win my Memorial Cup"

We'll just agree to disagree. Stankoven had nothing left to learn at the CHL level.

The only league he could have benefited from playing in besides the NHL is the AHL, and that wasn't an option, but 100% no doubt in my mind if it were, he would have still been sent back to the WHL because Gaglardi wants his stupid Memorial Cup. And I hope he doesn't get it, more so I hope that Stankoven cannot play.
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Why are you assuming this was the only reason?
 
Every 19 old still has something to learn even it is another year in the CHL.

If he can, at 19 and a season with injuries, Captain his team to a Memorial Cup that would be huge for the kid.
 
LT said:
Why are you assuming this was the only reason?
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Because there's no other reason he's not in the NHL, though we've got to watch Suter nightly so something can be said for incompetence I guess.

But they were literally talking in August of how he was going to go back and play for a memorial cup, as of it didn't matter how he did in camp he was going back.
Objectively he was better than Johnston last year(different leagues so it's not exactly 1to1), he performed about the same in camp and then he gets sent back, admittedly I expected them both too. But nope only the one with a guaranteed shot at winning something for Gaglardi.
 
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LT said:
Why are you assuming this was the only reason?
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There were two potentially NHL ready forwards in camp from the same draft year who are the same age. The one who plays for the owner’s junior team was never given an opportunity to earn a roster spot. The one who plays for a competing Memorial Cup contender was able to compete for a roster spot.
 
That's some first-class nonsense that WJ was given a more serious look in camp and made the team to improve Kamloops shot at the Memorial Cup.



I buy it that Stankoven probably didn't have as much of a shot because of his situation, but the WJ piece is just ridiculous.
 
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That's some first-class nonsense that WJ was given a more serious look in camp and made the team to improve Kamloops shot at the Memorial Cup.



I buy it that Stankoven probably didn't have as much of a shot because of his situation, but the WJ piece is just ridiculous.
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I'm saying if you swapped the teams they played for, Johnston would be tearing it up for the Blazers while Stankoven would have had a legitimate chance to make the Stars out of camp.
 
Getting sent back to Juniors isn't always about needing to develop skills, sometimes it's simply needing more physical maturity, especially for smaller guys. You risk both injury and confidence destruction if you bring a young guy up before his body is ready to handle the NHL.

Pre-season offered plenty of evidence that Stankoven wasn't ready yet, so I'm not sure where this revisionist history that he was robbed of a spot is coming from. The GDTs for those games are easy enough to find if you forgot what the consensus was on Stankoven's readiness.
 
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I think it's literally as simple that if he had scored on several of his preseason chances that came very close he's on the team. PDB is very much results oriented. The front office's minds would've exploded but if the coach gave him the same treatment as WJ and refused to take him off the big lines (say he was paired with Seguin the way WJ is with Benn) then they would've had to go along with it.

I don't think he's learning anything at all from this regular season in juniors. However, there is something to be said for a deep (20+ games) playoff run where the intensity ramps up. That can pay dividends down the line.
 
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