GDT: 2022-23 NHL Playoffs

[895]

How can anyone not watch the Leafs and not see us, circa, 2009-2017?

Have to root for them a little.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

I'm thinking the folks who were pronouncing the Devils dead might have spoken too soon

Sure, but it doesn’t hurt when the goalie you plugged in is 3-0 with a .976 save percentage and has let in two total goals in three games.

The Rangers are going through the reverse of last year; last year they were down 3-1 until the Pens had to use AHL goaltending and now the Rangers went up in the series when they played against a poor goalie before coming back to Earth running into a hot goalie.

Also, Vitek and Sammy are who we thought they were.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

How can anyone not watch the Leafs and see us, circa, 2009-2017?

Have to root for them a little.

Sure…..but F no…..not rooting for them.

 

[Roric]

How can anyone not watch the Leafs and see us, circa, 2009-2017?

Have to root for them a little.

Absolutely not

 

[HTFN]

How can anyone not watch the Leafs and not see us, circa, 2009-2017?

Have to root for them a little.

Because Caps fans are a niche group and not a big loud party of shitheads. I’d have to give this place some space if the Leafs ever actually did anything

 

[kicksavedave]

If you had Sammy giving up 50 and VV getting benched in your parlay, you may be a winner, but those odds should have been even money

Maybe it wasn't entirely Scott Murray's fault?

 

[StrikingDistance]

How can anyone not watch the Leafs and not see us, circa, 2009-2017?

Have to root for them a little.

They are not us.

Can you imagine if they win the cup. All of HF boards would be insufferable for years.

Also, I think Auston is an entitled kook. Didn't he harass some lady in AZ a few years back and get arrested? I forget...but he sucks...not as much as Evander Kane, but still on the suck-o-meter.

 

[HeyMattyB]

My brain roots for the Leafs to lose because 1) I want them to suffer as Caps fans have suffered, 2) I want the Caps to be proven right in their decision to let Samsonov go, and 3) TOR fans suck.

But my heart immediately cheers when the Lightning get scored on, even if it's by the Leafs.

I'm going with my heart.

 

[marcel snapshot]

I think they need to be careful about pursuing Scheifele as a trade target. Winnipeg’s leadership group has apparently been rotten for years and Scheifele is a prominent member of that group.

Not saying they shouldn’t pursue him as he is definitely a top 6 talent and could maybe be had for cheap. But I hope they do their due-diligence if they do look at him so they can avoid some potential headaches down the road.

Agree. Scheifele ain't the guy - something off about him. Dubois on the other hand is maybe worth a look. Torts seemed to have problems with him, but that can't be a dispositive issue - since he has problems with everybody not named Ryan Callahan.

 

[Calicaps]

Sure, but it doesn’t hurt when the goalie you plugged in is 3-0 with a .976 save percentage and has let in two total goals in three games.

The Rangers are going through the reverse of last year; last year they were down 3-1 until the Pens had to use AHL goaltending and now the Rangers went up in the series when they played against a poor goalie before coming back to Earth running into a hot goalie.

Also, Vitek and Sammy are who we thought they were.

If Vasy were playing even like half his normal self, that series is already over.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Agree. Scheifele ain't the guy - something off about him. Dubois on the other hand is maybe worth a look. Torts seemed to have problems with him, but that can't be a dispositive issue - since he has problems with everybody not named Ryan Callahan.

Dubois wants to go to Montreal doesn't he? UFA in 1 year, widely reported to want to go "home".

 

[Empty Goal Net]

All four games tonight feature possible series clinchers. To me the most interesting is the Krak-Avs. Can the guys on the expansion team pull it together to win the series at home? The Avs are injured and somewhat discombobulated. But if the Avs take this one, it's hard to see Seattle winning the next one in Denver. Of the other three, the home teams are each fighting for their lives, and I'd give the Wild the best chance to survive to play another game.

 

[StrikingDistance]

Also, Vitek and Sammy are who we thought they were.

Is it possible Scott Murray wasn't/isn't the problem and VV and Swimmin Sammy are mediocre goalies who have fallibilities they weren't able to overcome? Some people are set in their ways (eg Sammy overplaying pucks) and can't be changed.

 

[HTFN]

Is it possible Scott Murray wasn't/isn't the problem and VV and Swimmin Sammy are mediocre goalies who have fallibilities they weren't able to overcome? Some people are set in their ways (eg Sammy overplaying pucks) and can't be changed.

Why not both? Seems like both signed goalies also experienced some regression over the season and ended up less consistent than they were to begin with. Could it be the team and system too? Sure, but it's hard to pinpoint a goalie that Murray has helped.

 

[trick9]

Is it possible Scott Murray wasn't/isn't the problem and VV and Swimmin Sammy are mediocre goalies who have fallibilities they weren't able to overcome? Some people are set in their ways (eg Sammy overplaying pucks) and can't be changed.

Name a goalie that has improved under Scott Murray?

 

[StrikingDistance]

Why not both? Seems like both signed goalies also experienced some regression over the season and ended up less consistent than they were to begin with. Could it be the team and system too? Sure, but it's hard to pinpoint a goalie that Murray has helped.

Possibly both, but look at the goalies he's been given in DC: VV, Sammy, Fucale, and Copley. At their current evaluations playing elsewhere: Meh.

Wonder what his rep was like with the Bears? Anyone want to do the homework? I'm day 4 with covid and uhhh, yeah, back to bed.

Name a goalie that has improved under Scott Murray?

Richard Cranium Sirblocksalot.

You name one.

 

[twabby]

A lot of reporters going in on the idea that Winnipeg should blow it up, which is an understandable position.

As mentioned earlier Ehlers is a guy Washington should target, though if Winnipeg is smart then they should only sell him for a premium while they promote him to the first line next year to really inflate his value. My understanding is Ehlers isn’t really part of the rotten core there, but rather seen as a secondary piece despite producing like a top end first liner for years.

The more I read the more I want no part of Scheifele.

 

[trick9]

Possibly both, but look at the goalies he's been given in DC: VV, Sammy, Fucale, and Copley. At their current evaluations playing elsewhere: Meh.

Wonder what his rep was like with the Bears? Anyone want to do the homework? I'm day 4 with covid and uhhh, yeah, back to bed.



Richard Cranium Sirblocksalot.

You name one.

There isn't one.

Holtby got worse.

Vanecek was (slightly) better after moving.

Samsonov was better after moving.

Kuemper got worse since arriving here.

It's not even about making goalie elite. Not all goalies have potential to be that. But to me it's alarming that nobody improves here.

 

[twabby]

I’ve been following the Rangers a bit this postseason and this is not a good lineup for them. They really ought to put Kakko on the top line as he is one of their few playdrivers and someone who can counter New Jersey’s deadly transition game. Kane is nothing more than a PP specialist at this point. His 5v5 GD is fine but his chance differential is the second worst on the team, ahead of only Goodrow. He shouldn’t be in the top 6.

They aren’t done yet but the Rangers really didn’t do much to improve their team with the Kane/Tarasenko additions.

 

[Hivemind]

Possibly both, but look at the goalies he's been given in DC: VV, Sammy, Fucale, and Copley. At their current evaluations playing elsewhere: Meh.

Murray took over in 2017-18. That was also the year that Braden Holtby took a nosedive into the Atlantic, and Mitch Korn had to be dragged out of semi-retirement to fix Holtby. Fortunately Korn did fix Holtby for that playoff run.

Holtby continued to struggle under Murray in the following two seasons.

Scott Murray is not a good goaltending coach.

 

[Hivemind]

A lot of reporters going in on the idea that Winnipeg should blow it up, which is an understandable position.

As mentioned earlier Ehlers is a guy Washington should target, though if Winnipeg is smart then they should only sell him for a premium while they promote him to the first line next year to really inflate his value. My understanding is Ehlers isn’t really part of the rotten core there, but rather seen as a secondary piece despite producing like a top end first liner for years.

The more I read the more I want no part of Scheifele.

I think there's a handful of guys on Winnipeg's roster that intrigue me. Ehlers is preferred, but I'd take a serious look at Dubois and Scheifele as well. I presume Kyle Connor is the one player they would like to keep.

I know Scheifele has baggage, but the premise of a deal for him would have to involve sending Kuznetsov (and his baggage) in the other direction. Scheifele doesn't have to be part of the leadership core here. He doesn't need to wear a letter. This team has veteran leadership (in spades). It has Cup winners. It has Ovechkin, Oshie, and (for better or worse) Backstrom to hold the room together. Scheifele wouldn't have to be "the guy" here, he can be a secondary player who carries his line.

 

[marcel snapshot]

They aren’t done yet but the Rangers really didn’t do much to improve their team with the Kane/Tarasenko additions.

Also, Pannarin has been invisible out there. 2 assists thru 5 games.

Trying to create chemistry among Pannarin, Kane and Tarasenko - all guys who need others to get them the puck and create space for them - is looking more challenging than they expected

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Is it possible Scott Murray wasn't/isn't the problem and VV and Swimmin Sammy are mediocre goalies who have fallibilities they weren't able to overcome? Some people are set in their ways (eg Sammy overplaying pucks) and can't be changed.

I’ve always thought they were lacking…..VV in natural talent, Sammy between the ears…..this Scott Murray thing is hooey….or at least exaggerated.

 

[StrikingDistance]

There isn't one.

Holtby got worse.

Vanecek was (slightly) better after moving.

Samsonov was better after moving.

Kuemper got worse since arriving here.

It's not even about making goalie elite. Not all goalies have potential to be that. But to me it's alarming that nobody improves here.

So it's your contention Scott Murray is a goalie destroyer? Because Holtby was Holetby after he left the Caps. Kuemper has been average imo. To me, Darcy did not beenfit this year by having a crappy and injured D-men in front of him. I'm not saying he's elite and I'm not saying Murray isn't to blame for some of this but hard to tell when all the goalies have been subpar during their tenure and after joining other clubs. They kept him on-board so they must see something we don't.

Ps Recall I was 100% in favor of replacing alllll the coaches.

 

[Roric]

I think there's a handful of guys on Winnipeg's roster that intrigue me. Ehlers is preferred, but I'd take a serious look at Dubois and Scheifele as well. I presume Kyle Connor is the one player they would like to keep.

I know Scheifele has baggage, but the premise of a deal for him would have to involve sending Kuznetsov (and his baggage) in the other direction. Scheifele doesn't have to be part of the leadership core here. He doesn't need to wear a letter. This team has veteran leadership (in spades). It has Cup winners. It has Ovechkin, Oshie, and (for better or worse) Backstrom to hold the room together. Scheifele wouldn't have to be "the guy" here, he can be a secondary player who carries his line.

I wouldn't say no to Hellebuyck either, if the price is right