Speculation: 2022-23 Management/Coaching/Ownership

[duckpuck]

I should've clarified, Zegras.

I agree. His production this season (one way or the other) won't be a huge factor. But right now salaries are well defined (i.e., other players that are his peers have signed contracts) and, more importantly, salaries are depressed due to the flat cap. It's a buyers market and the ducks should be buying some Zegras IMO (and probably Terry and Drysdale as well).

And to consider one other possibility - Zegras and his agent may want to wait for the same reason. Salaries will go up. It could be that they're asking for a huge number beyond the current market . . . though Verbeek's comments don't suggest that any real discussion have taken place.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

The upside of not signing them this offseason is making sure they are actually good for more than one season, that applies to Terry especially. It is terrible business to sign players after one good year. For instance, should we have signed comtois after his year in 2020? Good thing we didn't get him locked down long term.

This is an underrated, poignant thought. I'd shudder to think if we owed Comtois $7 mil per year extension after his elc. We'd be in year 2 of that 8-year extension.

I'm okay paying superstar money for consistent superstar players.

 

[bsu]

This is an underrated, poignant thought. I'd shudder to think if we owed Comtois $7 mil per year extension after his elc. We'd be in year 2 of that 8-year extension.

I'm okay paying superstar money for consistent superstar players.

Comtois literally tapped picks into the net. I agree with you I don't see a comparsion between Terry (best player, line driver) and Comtois (finished some greasy goals with lucky bounces during a pandemic season). It's a good thing NHL teams see this difference which is why Comtois didn't get that and was scratched last season. Came in thinking he was hot shit after partying all off season. He showed his menality doing that as a young player and now look where he's at.

 

[Sean Garrity]

I wonder why.

Some people are sensitive.

I agree. His production this season (one way or the other) won't be a huge factor. But right now salaries are well defined (i.e., other players that are his peers have signed contracts) and, more importantly, salaries are depressed due to the flat cap. It's a buyers market and the ducks should be buying some Zegras IMO (and probably Terry and Drysdale as well).

And to consider one other possibility - Zegras and his agent may want to wait for the same reason. Salaries will go up. It could be that they're asking for a huge number beyond the current market . . . though Verbeek's comments don't suggest that any real discussion have taken place.

Isn't the cap only expected to go up like $1 million next year? I don't see that being a significant difference. Salaries sure, but that's 2-3 years away I believe.

 

[Static]

Some people are sensitive.



Isn't the cap only expected to go up like $1 million next year? I don't see that being a significant difference. Salaries sure, but that's 2-3 years away I believe.

Yes, it is only going up $1 million. The cap going up argument is overblown.

 

[bsu]

Yes, it is only going up $1 million. The cap going up argument is overblown.

Wrong. I mean don't spread fake news just to prove your point. Did you forget a 0?

NHL preparing teams for sharp salary cap increase over next three seasons – Sportsnet.ca

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Hockey Duckie]

EDIT: Three now.

I get the whole show me more and prove it but that goes more for players like Comtois who don't make an impact all game (not a play driver) ... Terry is our best player nightly, eye test, production etc... Even when he doesn't score he creates multiple grade A chances a game... Then take into account we barely have the puck as a team.

Verbeek isn't going to sign Zegras to an extension in this past pre-season/now. I don't comprehend the zealousness of trying to get Zegras signed already when the GM already said we'll wait. That should be the end of the discussion.

Your points:

1. It'll be cheaper to sign Zegras now.​

2. If we don't sign Zegras now, then he will go to other pastures for money.​

That's a lot of mind-reading that you should let go. Also, your two points contradict one another as others have already pointed out. As @Static said, Zegras is controlled by the Ducks for 6-years. Not only that, but the Ducks do have the cap space to afford Zegras. It can't be money because Zegras wants out of the Anaheim org.

You can just drop it now and let the scenario play itself out because there's nothing you can do.

 

[Sean Garrity]

Wrong. I mean don't spread fake news just to prove your point. Did you forget a 0?

NHL preparing teams for sharp salary cap increase over next three seasons – Sportsnet.ca

www.sportsnet.ca

Ummm, by your own post it's only going up $1M next year. How is what he quoted or stated wrong?

 

[bsu]

Verbeek isn't going to sign Zegras to an extension. I don't comprehend the zealousness of trying to get Zegras signed already when the GM already said we'll wait. That should be the end of the discussion.

Your points:

1. It'll be cheaper to sign Zegras now.​

2. If we don't sign Zegras now, then he will go to other pastures for money.​

That's a lot of mind-reading that you should let go. Also, your two points contradict one another as others have already pointed out. As @Static said, Zegras is controlled by the Ducks for 6-years. Not only that, but the Ducks do have the cap space to afford Zegras. It can't be money because Zegras wants out of the Anaheim org.

You can just drop it now and let the scenario play itself out because there's nothing you can do.

Why spend extra money for the same thing? We could use that cap space on extra help. That's how you end up with deals like Drai and McKinnon instead of Nurse. Well agree to disagree my point on that was I rather save a couple million now and use it towards rebuilding this shitty roster whenever Verbeek thinks it's time to compete.

 

[Sean Garrity]

Why spend extra money for the same thing? We could use that cap space on extra help. That's how you end up with deals like Drai and McKinnon instead of Nurse and Skinner.

We're talking a negligible difference if a difference at all. The cap is going up $1M, salaries aren't going to increase a significant amount next year.

 

[Static]

Wrong. I mean don't spread fake news just to prove your point. Did you forget a 0?

NHL preparing teams for sharp salary cap increase over next three seasons – Sportsnet.ca

www.sportsnet.ca

What is wrong with you? It's going up $1 million next year, the link you posted shows it clear as day.

 

[bsu]

What is wrong with you? It's going up $1 million next year, the link you posted shows it clear as day.

So you're going to sign the players we are discussing to a one year deal? Of course the years after matter.... Seriously? You think GMs and agents only look at next year? You can't be serious....

 

[Static]

So you're going to sign the players we are discussing to a one year deal? Of course the years after matter.... Seriously? You think GMs and agents only look at next year? You can't be serious.

The people I've been talking to about the cap increase have been talking about next year, so that's what I've been referencing as well.

Gary Bettman Confirms Slow NHL Salary Cap Climb Over the Next 2-3 Years - Bleacher Nation

During the NHL Draft, NHL commissioner Gary Bettman spoke with the NHL's Sirius/XM Radio Network and confirmed it would be two or three more years until the cap could resume climbing at a more aggressive pace.

www.bleachernation.com

This is from bettman's mouth. $1 million increase definite next season, thereon after the increases are speculative.

 

[Sean Garrity]

So you're going to sign the players we are discussing to a one year deal? Of course the years after matter.... Seriously? You think GMs and agents only look at next year? You can't be serious....

"You think GMs and agents only look at next year?" Is the same argument that could be used against your thought process, you do realize this yes?

 

[bsu]

The people I've been talking to about the cap increase have been talking about next year, so that's what I've been referencing as well.

Gary Bettman Confirms Slow NHL Salary Cap Climb Over the Next 2-3 Years - Bleacher Nation

During the NHL Draft, NHL commissioner Gary Bettman spoke with the NHL's Sirius/XM Radio Network and confirmed it would be two or three more years until the cap could resume climbing at a more aggressive pace.

www.bleachernation.com

This is from bettman's mouth. $1 million increase definite next season, thereon after the increases are speculative.

I mean if teams are planning for it then I would assume its a thing

 

[Static]

I mean if teams are planning for it then I would assume its a thing.

So what's fake news then?

 

[bsu]

So what's fake news then?

The cap is rising 10 million by the time the players we are discussing will be in their new contracts..... The agents know that and the GM knows that so it will come up in contract negotiations. Everything gets more expensive the following year in life. Now that teams know the cap will be up 10 million dollars the agents also know that and will use it (if they are good at their jobs)

 

[Static]

The cap is rising 10 million by the time the players we are discussing will be in their new contracts..... The agents know that and the GM knows that so it will come up in contract negotiations

This is what people are talking about. You're wrong, you made a claim that was wrong, but you don't give an inch, you just change the conversation. And like the other person said, you make zero effort to actually communicate, you bludgeon and then tell everyone to take it or leave it and wonder why people are turned off. It's impossible to have a logical conversation with this communication style.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Why spend extra money for the same thing? We could use that cap space on extra help. That's how you end up with deals like Drai and McKinnon instead of Nurse. Well agree to disagree my point on that was I rather save a couple million now and use it towards rebuilding this shitty roster whenever Verbeek thinks it's time to compete.

We're not strapped for cap space. Verbeek's plan to tame the cap is via draft picks. Seeing our current roster construction, we're still years away from seeing consistent daylight.

We paid max contracts to Getz and Pears, but still able to afford many other players. Too bad we had some bad luck as the team went to the WCF twice in three seasons.

 

[bsu]

This is what people are talking about. You're wrong, you made a claim that was wrong, but you don't give an inch, you just change the conversation. And like the other person said, you make zero effort to actually communicate, you bludgeon and then tell everyone to take it or leave it and wonder why people are turned off. It's impossible to have a logical conversation with this communication style.

I mean the cap is going up 10 million (from under 90 million) in a couple years and if you don't think that will be brought up in negotiations more and more the closer we get than idk what to tell you say I'm wrong all you want. That's a huge increase... We could sign almost any player in the league with that increase alone (same with other teams)

 

[Sean Garrity]

Isn't the cap only expected to go up like $1 million next year? I don't see that being a significant difference. Salaries sure, but that's 2-3 years away I believe.

Yes, it is only going up $1 million. The cap going up argument is overblown.

Wrong. I mean don't spread fake news just to prove your point. Did you forget a 0?

NHL preparing teams for sharp salary cap increase over next three seasons – Sportsnet.ca

www.sportsnet.ca

So the OP was me stating it goes up $1M next year, Static confirmed and then you said it was wrong...idk what to tell you.

No one is arguing that it's not going to continue to rise after that. We're just debunking that it's going to have a significant impact on salaries this year v next year. If, like you're stating, everyone else knows it's going up further in subsequent years than all GMs and agents are going to negotiate like that whether it's 2022 or 2023 lol. It's ok to be wrong and let go my dude.

 

[bsu]

We're not strapped for cap space. Verbeek's plan to tame the cap is via draft picks. Seeing our current roster construction, we're still years away from seeing consistent daylight.

We paid max contracts to Getz and Pears, but still able to afford many other players. Too bad we had some bad luck as the team went to the WCF twice in three seasons.

We aren't strapped for cap space because of the product and roster you are watching is pathetic. It won't be that way once this rebuild is over... Whenever that is.

 

[DavidBL]

I wonder what Verbeeks logic is not even contacting the agents of Zegras and Terry for an extension in the off season.... and his logic was "I want them to focus on hockey not the contract" if we signed them wouldn't that make them focus on hockey and not the contract? I didn't understand that. Of course they are going to think about it.... all their peers are signing 8 years deals. To me not signing them this off season is a gamble with very little upside... It's like making a 1000 dollar bet to win 50 bucks. Like does Verbeek really think he's going to save money? What's the point? Have them go through a miserable season and think they want to sign long term on a small market team with half the arena full by game 10 for cheaper? Players always get more and more every offseason and with the news of cap rising so much its only going to get worse. Zegras brings all the attention and Terry is our best player easily it's not even arguable.

What are the benefits and upside to not signing them in the off season? Could someone share because I'm drawing a blank. Maybe there's something I'm not thinking of, maybe @Static knows. The only logical one I can think of is if one did them has a career ending injury (knock on wood).. But there's insurance for that....

Well given the performance the last 2 nights maybe he's hoping to lesser years to bring down their number... I know it's early but there is 0 cohesion. I'm very concerned for the team right now.

 

[bsu]

Well given the performance the last 2 nights maybe he's hoping to lesser years to bring down their number... I know it's early but there is 0 cohesion. I'm very concerned Ed for the team right now.

I hope so but realistically with the cap going up 10 million do you see Terry or Zegras somehow taking LESS? I think the closer it gets the higher the cost goes up... Or atleast thats how it usually works in life. If that works out for us that'd be great. I'd be stoked let's hope for that.

Terry's our best player nightly and Zegras is just show time on every commercial video game cover youtube clips nhl highlights its going to get to his head. He also has an annoying agent.... Like one of the worst to deal with. Maybe that's why Verbeek didn't want to even start talks with the agent

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I thought we'd be talking about our roster construction and how fast both Rico and Silf have declined in usefulness. It's only two games, but I'm getting saddened day by day.

Instead, we're dealing with hypotheticals about a Zegras extension where the goal post is often moved just to make one feel better about not being wrong. GM Verbeek isn't going to deal with contract extensions right now. There really isn't any more discussion to be had, so why have it? Our GM has far more pressing problems at the moment.