Speculation: 2022-23 Management/Coaching/Ownership

[bsu]

How many legitimate top pairing D have become available in the last 15 years? We know all the contracts that end in the next 4 years. Are there targets there? If they're not ufa we have to trade for them. The likely hood of that, imo, regardless if trade assets is very small.

We gave one away so start with 1

 

[Rybread86]

Whenever I hear people talk about keeping politics out of sports this is all I can think of. Sports are made up of people and interpersonal connections that are impossible to separate, I'd advise searching within why that bothers you so much.

I won't say anything else, I don't want to derail this.

Oh I know why it bothers me so much, don't need to research it. Generally its because a lot of it doesnt belong in sports or the premise of the messages are just false and/or divisive. On occasion when its a unifying message and not a divisive one, it can make some sense, but largely anymore, there arent many unifying political messages.

Not everyone will agree. Some like, or just dont mind, the political messaging, but you certainly alienate a good portion of viewers when it happens. There is a reason why SuperBowl ratings have been hitting all-time lows the past 2 years. Is it coincidence that the past 2 seasons were heavily politicized? Maybe, but I dont think so. I believe they lose more viewers and fans than they gain with this stuff. Anecdotally at least, I know more people who have turned off sports because of politics than have started watching or made existing fans more engaged.

Regardless, its only 1 piece of what I believe the broadcasting issues are. As Duckie points out, some of it is greed as well. If I could purchase all of my favorite team(s) games ONLY, I would do that for every sport I still watch. I feel like streaming is eventually going to have to embrace ala carte options, but maybe not, they may figure they have the power to make people buy the whole package and if smaller regional broadcasts go away, then maybe the ESPN+'s of the world end up showing all games without blackouts. Downside there is the big 2-3 just monopolize the market and you likely kill smaller sports orgs that only get shown on the regional broadcasts.

 

[pbgoalie]

Working our way to the revolutionary
15 D/ 3 F lineup

 

[DavidBL]

You gotta be more open minded about the future. It's not what you or I wanted, but this is all we have.

Option 1
Instead of finding legitimate top pairing D, we can run three pairs of second pairing D. Remember how VGK didn't have a first line talent line, but four second line talents? We can potentially run it that way. While we don't have a Lindholm, we might have a few top-4 defensive Ds. What we do have in potential top pairing D are offensive D's in Drysdale and/or Mintyukov. Verbeek has shared a vision of a Mintyukov-Warren pairing, iirc.

Option 2
Load up on talents, especially D talents, and draft picks. When the team is more established, then having all these futures available can lead to a potential trade. My worry about a potential trade is that Verbeek sticking to his age-to-term rubric. Former GM Bob Murray was able to use his good drafting and roster dev to land top players such as Kesler, Eaves, or Rico. Burkie used prospects drafted before him in D Smid and F Lupul as well as draft picks to land Pronger.

Verbeek has options, especially since he's added to the talent Anaheim had already amassed before Verbeek got here.

Can the Ducks be dangerous without a top backend? Yes, see Florida. Their forward group is strong on the forecheck that it makes OFD's look better b/c the OFD's don't have to play defense often. Will we have that? I dunno, but we will have a great nucleus with four top-6 forwards in Terry, Zegras, McTavish, and the 2023 Ducks' first round pick.

Sorry, but it appears that's PVs plan is based on the hope and a prayer. He's hoping someone will become available who fills that need or praying that one of the draftees can wildly exceed their draft expectations. Now those hopes and prayers are ours... I can't get excited by that.

 

[goonsaredumb]

Sorry, but it appears that's PVs plan is based on the hope and a prayer. He's hoping someone will become available who fills that need or praying that one of the draftees can wildly exceed their draft expectations. Now those hopes and prayers are ours... I can't get excited by that.

isn't every GM doing that? what other options are there? You hope your drafted prospects pan out or someone who fills your need becomes available, what else is he supposed to do?

 

[DavidBL]

isn't every GM doing that? what other options are there? You hope your drafted prospects pan out or someone who fills your need becomes available, what else is he supposed to do?

Not sell off the exact players he's going to need? I adamantly disagree that he needed to blow up this roster last year. Then he utterly failed to address the holes he made on the blue line. The chances of any of the assets he gained actually helping this team moving forward are slim. Vaaks had the most promise and he's been disappointing. Maybe if he can stay healthy long enough to get his feet under him. PV already had the foundations for the future IMO.

 

[mightyquack]

Not sell off the exact players he's going to need? I adamantly disagree that he needed to blow up this roster last year. Then he utterly failed to address the holes he made on the blue line. The chances of any of the assets he gained actually helping this team moving forward are slim. Vaaks had the most promise and he's been disappointing. Maybe if he can stay healthy long enough to get his feet under him. PV already had the foundations for the future IMO.

This team missed the playoffs each of the last 4 years, lost their longtime captain and best centre and doesn't have much immediate talent to come up to help the roster (pretty much all of our good prospects are 2+ years away).

The team had been trending in one direction for multiple years.

 

[DavidBL]

This team missed the playoffs each of the last 4 years, lost their longtime captain and best centre and doesn't have much immediate talent to come up to help the roster (pretty much all of our good prospects are 2+ years away).

The team had been trending in one direction for multiple years.

And now we're likely to miss for 4 more. How is that hard to see? I don't see how we just ignore the last 4 years like we hadn't been piling up picks and prospects.

 

[MMC]

And now we're likely to miss for 4 more. How is that hard to see? I don't see how we just ignore the last 4 years like we hadn't been piling up picks and prospects.

If Lindholm, Rakell, and Manson couldn't get us to the playoffs when we did have Getzlaf, what makes you think they're good enough to elevate our team to the playoffs over the next 2-3 years before they age out of their primes?

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Not sell off the exact players he's going to need? I adamantly disagree that he needed to blow up this roster last year. Then he utterly failed to address the holes he made on the blue line. The chances of any of the assets he gained actually helping this team moving forward are slim. Vaaks had the most promise and he's been disappointing. Maybe if he can stay healthy long enough to get his feet under him. PV already had the foundations for the future IMO.

I agree with you that we could have become contenders this year if we kept our UFAs and added more talent at forward and defense like the Kings did in the 2022 off-season. That did not happen.

You are still unwilling to accept Verbeek reset the team. I accepted the reset the moment he sold off Manson and it was solidified when Lindholm was shortly traded, followed by Des and Rakell. With term rubric that Verbeek adhered to, it became obvious Verbeek didn't want the huge gap between older core and young core, which was about a decade's difference. Also, it's far less complicated to deal with the cap when all Verbeek's focused on is the future.

Why are you focused on the assets we got back from the players we traded away? It's obvious we didn't receive equal payment, but that wasn't the main reason Verbeek got rid of them. Again, he got rid of the UFAs to make the main focus on the youth around Zegras' age and Terry being the outlier. Hence, resetting the team to year 2-3 of the rebuild.

The tank to 10th overall in the 2022 draft landed us D Mintyukov, who looks like a steal at 10th. 6'3 C Gaucher is the physical, shutdown forward we would love to have today with the 22nd pick, courtesy of Boston from the Lindholm trade. At 42nd overall (because we tanked after the TDL), we were able to secure the last of the top tiered shutdown defensemen in 6'5 Warren. Finally, with the 53rd pick overall, from Pitt (Rakell trade), we landed a former projected 1st round pick in D Luneau. Three out of the four are producing at or over a point per game rate in the CHL. Verbeek is still using Madden and his scouts, which is how we were able to draft three defensemen with four within the first two rounds of the draft. We still trust in Madden with drafting defensemen, right?

This year, we're in contention of landing the 1st overall pick. There are two generational types in RW Bedard and RW Michkov and two first overall types in C Fantilli and C Carlsson. We land any of the four and our future looks that much brighter. Also, we get an early pick in the 2nd round. Our luck with forwards developing well haven't been great. The only period of time it's been great was when we pick 9th or higher such as Zegras at 9th in 2019 and McTavish at 3rd in 2021.

Anaheim has a great young core with potential star to superstar players. B/c of the reset, Verbeek needs to surround that group with better supporting cast. That's the gamble Verbeek has taken.

Stop looking to be competitive yesterday (figuratively speaking to last year), before this season started, or next season. It's a developmental era, especially if we're to rely on the youths to populate the blue line. There, I laid out the game plan that I believe Verbeek is doing. I cited this plan at last year's TDL, but people still refuse to accept we've reset the team.

From Verbeek's own words:

“It’s not fair … me coming in two, three months and then going with a new guy,” Verbeek said. “And in the sense that I just blew up the team (at the trade deadline). So I wanted to give him [Eakins] a chance. And it gave us an opportunity to get to know one another over the course of the offseason."​

 

[mightyquack]

And now we're likely to miss for 4 more. How is that hard to see? I don't see how we just ignore the last 4 years like we hadn't been piling up picks and prospects.

Oh I'm quite aware we'll be missing the playoffs for a few years yet, I've said as much in the last couple of seasons. That's because the previous GM refused to pull the trigger on any significant changes on a clearly declining core with little in the way of good young prospects to come up to replace them in the immediate future.

Lindholm is the only true difference maker we lost, Manson and Rakell are good complimentary pieces, but not pieces that are going to make or break a team.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

If Lindholm, Rakell, and Manson couldn't get us to the playoffs when we did have Getzlaf, what makes you think they're good enough to elevate our team to the playoffs over the next 2-3 years before they age out of their primes?

Wow. It isn't as if we weren't in a rebuild since 2018-19 TDL. No longer playing for the Ducks going into 2019-20 season: RW Perry, C Kesler, and F Eaves. Perry bought out. Kes and Eaves due to medical reasoning. We didn't replace any of those talents in the lineup because it was all about the youths. Why so many omit these talent losses baffles me.

Can people stop thinking we weren't going to add more talent with the 2021-22 team? We surged to the top of the Pacific Div without adding any top talent in the 2021 off-season. We all complained about not adding two top-6 forwards.

We lost GM Murray in early November. When Manson went to IR during the All-star break, we didn't do jack shit about it... well Verbeek didn't do jack shit about it and let us flounder to rely on three rookies (Drysdale, Benoit, and Mahura) or fringe NHLers. Under Verbeek, Manson played in 2 out 14 games. Manson was injured for 12 consecutive contests with an All-star break between the first game start lost to injury to the second game start lost to injury. Contrast that with Murray and long term injury. In 2019, the start of the rebuild, when Manson was put on crutches due to injury in a game, a day later Murray traded for Gudbranson.
Anyhow, seeing how everything gelled when we were healthy, the next logical step under Murray would be to add more top talent since Terry and Zegras broke out. In retaining Lindholm and Manson, that would have meant fewer roster spots available for defensive youths to populate. That would mean we have trade capital with our defensemen. Already in our system before the 2021-22 season: RD Andersson, LD/RD LaCombe, LD Thrun, RD Moore, LD/RD Zellweger, and LD Hinds. Murray intimated that the three college defensemen could be trade bait.

Murray State of the Team going into the Off-season

And we have an exciting group of young players coming in. There's some who you guys don't even know. We've got a bunch of good young defensemen coming. So that's where it's possible, maybe to make a trade get a top six forward. I'm saying it's possible, but we'll see what happens when it comes to that timeframe.​

Again, we didn't add to the roster in the 2021 off-season. The Kings, also in a rebuild cycle, added two top-6 forwards (one via FA, C Danault, and one by trade, RW Arvidsson) and a FA veteran defense (old vet Edler) in the same off-season. They made the playoffs. Why people omit the Kings' example as a possibility for the Ducks to lurch into the playoffs this season if they did something similar is narrative talking.

Murray tinkers and he doesn't do wholesale changes. Once Terry and Zegras broke out at the NHL along with McTavish and Zellweger in the CHL, that probably changed the dynamic going forward with Murray to no longer sit on his hands. Benoit and Mahura were not long term solutions and we needed better talent depth. Hell, Verbeek didn't even try to keep Mahura.

Anaheim currently has $21.48 mil cap space.

Salary	Comparison
New	Ducks			Former	Ducks
Pos	Player	AAV in Mil		Pos	Player	AAV in Mil
C	Strome	$5.00​		RW	Rakell	$5​
RW	Vatrano	$3.65​		LW	Des	$1.75​
RD	Klingberg	$7.00​		RD	Manson	$4.50​
LD	Kulikov	$2.25​		LD	Lindholm	$6.50​
	Total	$17.90​			Total	$18​

Would the team fare better with the Former Ducks than the new Ducks? The answer would be yes b/c our defense wouldn't be so porous.

Perry's $2 mil buyout comes off the books after this season. Shatty's $3.9 mil contract also ends this season. Lindholm admitted he would have stayed for less. Cap wasn't going to be a problem, especially when the cap will be increasing as years go by. That means we could afford to grab some top talents. Nino went for $4 mil AAV for two seasons. We got Kulikov for free. Imagine Kulikov playing bottom pairing minutes, his proper place.

It's foolish to think the Ducks couldn't have made a run for the playoffs this season with some acquisitions. Who knows, if the the team was kept together, then Getz might have stayed an extra season because he has so many friends still playing on the team. Imagine Getz centering McTavish to start the season and then eventually swap with McTavish?

 

[DavidBL]

If Lindholm, Rakell, and Manson couldn't get us to the playoffs when we did have Getzlaf, what makes you think they're good enough to elevate our team to the playoffs over the next 2-3 years before they age out of their primes?

Because they also didn't have Terry, Z, Drysdale and McTavish? And Getzlaf was not the player he once was the last 3 years? Also, Rakell was and is replaceable. I've stated numerous times that the issue was letting go of both D men without a replacement plan. Terry is a first line player. Z is a first line player. That's now, not in 4 years. They are going to just get better the next few years. McTavish is progressing well as expected. Then we signed strome. That's 4 top 6 players as soon as next year.

I agree with you that we could have become contenders this year if we kept our UFAs and added more talent at forward and defense like the Kings did in the 2022 off-season. That did not happen.

You are still unwilling to accept Verbeek reset the team. I accepted the reset the moment he sold off Manson and it was solidified when Lindholm was shortly traded, followed by Des and Rakell. With term rubric that Verbeek adhered to, it became obvious Verbeek didn't want the huge gap between older core and young core, which was about a decade's difference. Also, it's far less complicated to deal with the cap when all Verbeek's focused on is the future.

Why are you focused on the assets we got back from the players we traded away? It's obvious we didn't receive equal payment, but that wasn't the main reason Verbeek got rid of them. Again, he got rid of the UFAs to make the main focus on the youth around Zegras' age and Terry being the outlier. Hence, resetting the team to year 2-3 of the rebuild.

The tank to 10th overall in the 2022 draft landed us D Mintyukov, who looks like a steal at 10th. 6'3 C Gaucher is the physical, shutdown forward we would love to have today with the 22nd pick, courtesy of Boston from the Lindholm trade. At 42nd overall (because we tanked after the TDL), we were able to secure the last of the top tiered shutdown defensemen in 6'5 Warren. Finally, with the 53rd pick overall, from Pitt (Rakell trade), we landed a former projected 1st round pick in D Luneau. Three out of the four are producing at or over a point per game rate in the CHL. Verbeek is still using Madden and his scouts, which is how we were able to draft three defensemen with four within the first two rounds of the draft. We still trust in Madden with drafting defensemen, right?

This year, we're in contention of landing the 1st overall pick. There are two generational types in RW Bedard and RW Michkov and two first overall types in C Fantilli and C Carlsson. We land any of the four and our future looks that much brighter. Also, we get an early pick in the 2nd round. Our luck with forwards developing well haven't been great. The only period of time it's been great was when we pick 9th or higher such as Zegras at 9th in 2019 and McTavish at 3rd in 2021.

Anaheim has a great young core with potential star to superstar players. B/c of the reset, Verbeek needs to surround that group with better supporting cast. That's the gamble Verbeek has taken.

Stop looking to be competitive yesterday (figuratively speaking to last year), before this season started, or next season. It's a developmental era, especially if we're to rely on the youths to populate the blue line. There, I laid out the game plan that I believe Verbeek is doing. I cited this plan at last year's TDL, but people still refuse to accept we've reset the team.

From Verbeek's own words:

“It’s not fair … me coming in two, three months and then going with a new guy,” Verbeek said. “And in the sense that I just blew up the team (at the trade deadline). So I wanted to give him [Eakins] a chance. And it gave us an opportunity to get to know one another over the course of the offseason."​

I'm actually not suggesting that we would have been contenders this season or even next. I simply disagree that he needed to go as far as he did. I understand what and why he did. I don't underatand while you feel I have to accept it. I know what is going on. I don't have to be happy about it.

Oh I'm quite aware we'll be missing the playoffs for a few years yet, I've said as much in the last couple of seasons. That's because the previous GM refused to pull the trigger on any significant changes on a clearly declining core with little in the way of good young prospects to come up to replace them in the immediate future.

Lindholm is the only true difference maker we lost, Manson and Rakell are good complimentary pieces, but not pieces that are going to make or break a team.

I disagree that BM not selling earlier is why we are here. Plain and simple we are here because of What PV did not what BM did. Bms path had us draft 9 -6- 3 and then start trending back up finishing 10 with what was left of the team he was rebuilding. We were already bad. We didn't need to sell off to do that. What exactly would have happened if we had done this a few years ago we would have draft 6-4-2 how does that substantially improve out situation?
Also you need good complimentary peices to put around the new young core.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Oh I'm quite aware we'll be missing the playoffs for a few years yet, I've said as much in the last couple of seasons. That's because the previous GM refused to pull the trigger on any significant changes on a clearly declining core with little in the way of good young prospects to come up to replace them in the immediate future.

Lindholm is the only true difference maker we lost, Manson and Rakell are good complimentary pieces, but not pieces that are going to make or break a team.

Lindholm was selected 6th overall. Manson was drafted in the 6th round. Rakell was the last pick in the first round. Lindholm better be a difference maker based upon his draft slot!

2016-17, the Ducks finished first in the Pacific and went to the Western Conference Finals.
2017-18, the Ducks finished 2nd in the Pacific and ousted in the first round.
2018-19, the Ducks finished 6th in the Pacific and started the rebuild at the TDL.

Going into 2019-20 season, the following players were no longer Ducks or never gonna play hockey again in RW Perry (buyout), C Kesler (health), F Eaves (health), and D Monty (2018-19 TDL). That's a huge chunk of talent and monies owed to three players. Also the reason for the abrupt fall of the Ducks.

The year after, the remaining middle group were traded off at the TDL in 2014 draftees F Ritchie and F Kase.

Anaheim had only two top-10 picks pre 2019 draft in D Lindholm (2012) and F Ritchie (2014). Two in a decade under Murray. The Ducks didn't have a first round pick in 2017, due to the Eaves' condition of reaching the Western Conference Finals. In that same decade, the Ducks were playoff bound 8 times. Anaheim went to the playoffs six consecutive seasons, between 2012-13 through 2017-18, which included two conference final appearances.

The Ducks simply ran out of top talent, probably due to the six consecutive playoff appearances.

The youth movement was brought up far earlier than expected as many got a glimpse in the 2018-19 season in C Lundy (23rd OA), C Steel (30th OA), RW Terry (rd 5), LW Comtois (rd 2), LW Jones (24th OA), and D Larsson (27th OA). Terry is the only youth from this group to become a big time player, but it took him 4 years to get there (his D+7 season). Steel and Larsson are no longer with the org. Lundy is a 3C. We still don't know what we have in Comtois and Jones.

Flash forward to the 2018-19 TDL, we finished 8th overall, but dropped one in the draft to the lottery.

2019: 9th, C Zegras​

2020: 6th, RD Drysdale​

2021: 3rd, C McTavish​

Ducks top-3 Scorers as of Dec 19, 2022

RW Terry with 28 pts​

C Zegras with 25 pts​

C McTavish with 18 pts​

Terry is 25 years old and broke out last year. Z is four years younger than Terry. McTavish, 19 years old, is almost two years younger than Z. Therein lies the difference in top-10 picks that hit, which the Ducks weren't privy to because of being a consistent playoff team.

Drysdale is out of the season, but last year he scored 32 points as a rookie. He scored 3 more points than C Lundy, who is three years older than Drysdale. Again, therein lies the difference in a top-10 pick that hits compared to Lundy, a late first round pick selected 23rd overall.

Why are people complaining about Murray when the rebuild netted Zegras, Drysdale, and McTavish? They're all looking like successful picks in the NHL level. In the words of Willow Smith, "But I'm here right now, right now, right now, right now..."

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I'm actually not suggesting that we would have been contenders this season or even next. I simply disagree that he needed to go as far as he did. I understand what and why he did. I don't underatand while you feel I have to accept it. I know what is going on. I don't have to be happy about it.

You accept it because it happened. You can also not be happy about it. But you've already divulged that we could have been better this year even after the TDL ... that's what I don't get about your frustration. You actually think we could be better, but not realize we're in a Verbeek reset.

Me, I fully believed we'd be in playoff contention this year with Murray at the helm. I should be more upset than you, but I'm not. I'm numb, but I also like patterns and rebuilds have similar patterns. Verbeek chose a long route back to contention and when he reset the rebuild at last year's TDL to year 2-3. Verbeek has an age-to-term ratio that you're not willing to accept is his template. The age-to-ratio rubric makes sense if you're willing to sacrifice more years of futility today for more years of contention down the road. The gamble is can Verbeek muster enough talent to get there? By the end of year 3, we should be on the cusp. If not, then Verbeek's future is bleaker. I can't judge Verbeek until year 3.

This year is a good year to tank. I never thought about it, but not having Regenda with the NHL club is suppressing better talent. It was @Ducks DVM that identified that action of deliberate tanking. A top-4 draft selection is a huge win for the organization.

Accepting the long road back makes watching games easier to stomach. Our top-3 scorers are Terry, Zegras, and McTavish. Development is there, apparently, despite the lack of talent on the team.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

It's been over 82 once according to your chart, changing it forever basically means everyone new will have all the season records. I get it, every business is about $$$ as we see with the jersey and helmet ads.

What season records are going to be affected? The last time someone got within 85 points of Gretzky’s record the nWo wasn’t even formed yet. I can’t see two extra games changing that.

 

[Quack Shot]

Can people stop thinking we weren't going to add more talent with the 2021-22 team? We surged to the top of the Pacific Div without adding any top talent in the 2021 off-season.

This is ridiculous. We had a super easy schedule, pretty much beat only non playoff teams and we played more games than anyone else in the Pacific. By Points Percentage we were in a wild card spot at best. Verbeek evaluated it correctly and made the right choice at the deadline to sell.

 

[bsu]

What season records are going to be affected? The last time someone got within 85 points of Gretzky’s record the nWo wasn’t even formed yet. I can’t see two extra games changing that.

You know there's more than one record in NHL history right?

This is ridiculous. We had a super easy schedule, pretty much beat only non playoff teams and we played more games than anyone else in the Pacific. By Points Percentage we were in a wild card spot at best. Verbeek evaluated it correctly and made the right choice at the deadline to sell.

He made the right call to sell, the issue is he sold the wrong players.... And imo didn't get enough.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

You know there's more than one record in NHL history right?

Of course, and with that in mind can you name a single individual season record that will be affected by an 84 game season or are you talking out of your ass again? I can think of exactly one and it isn’t remotely notable.

There’s some team ones that might be in danger but they already come with an asterisk and frankly I doubt many people would care. Tampa tied the wins in a season record four years ago and nobody really gave a shit.

 

[DavidBL]

You accept it because it happened. You can also not be happy about it. But you've already divulged that we could have been better this year even after the TDL ... that's what I don't get about your frustration. You actually think we could be better, but not realize we're in a Verbeek reset.

Me, I fully believed we'd be in playoff contention this year with Murray at the helm. I should be more upset than you, but I'm not. I'm numb, but I also like patterns and rebuilds have similar patterns. Verbeek chose a long route back to contention and when he reset the rebuild at last year's TDL to year 2-3. Verbeek has an age-to-term ratio that you're not willing to accept is his template. The age-to-ratio rubric makes sense if you're willing to sacrifice more years of futility today for more years of contention down the road. The gamble is can Verbeek muster enough talent to get there? By the end of year 3, we should be on the cusp. If not, then Verbeek's future is bleaker. I can't judge Verbeek until year 3.

This year is a good year to tank. I never thought about it, but not having Regenda with the NHL club is suppressing better talent. It was @Ducks DVM that identified that action of deliberate tanking. A top-4 draft selection is a huge win for the organization.

Accepting the long road back makes watching games easier to stomach. Our top-3 scorers are Terry, Zegras, and McTavish. Development is there, apparently, despite the lack of talent on the team.

I realize it. I just think it's a mistake and as such don't accept it as the correct path. I dont get excited for the future as I don't have any faith in PV to this point. I was excited when he was hired. He has done nothing to make me think he's competent and as such a future if hypotheticals generally lean towards the pessimistic. Which means I'm critical of everything he does until he is proven right, which I think is unlikely, which makes the failures of the tram even more pronounced.

 

[bsu]

Of course, and with that in mind can you name a single individual season record that will be affected by an 84 game season or are you talking out of your ass again? I can think of exactly one and it isn’t remotely notable.

There’s some team ones that might be in danger but they already come with an asterisk and frankly I doubt many people would care. Tampa tied the wins in a season record four years ago and nobody really gave a shit.

Google.com you can look it up yourself. You can type in "What are some hockey statistics" or "NHL records"

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Google.com you can look it up yourself. You can type in "What are some hockey statistics" or "NHL records"

LMAO you can just admit you don’t know any of them, that was already very obvious.

I wasn’t asking to get you to present them, I was making a point. Virtually every single individual single-season record has a similar story. They aren’t remotely in danger and no one has even come close in over 30 years. And with most of them you could play 100 games and it wouldn’t be any less impressive.

 

[pbgoalie]

I know we have to rebuild. We danced around it pretty successfully for a long time and now we are paying the price.

I have no idea what Verbeek is going to do, and I think some of our young pieces are going to be incredible. Terry, Zegras, McT, are looking pretty amazing give. The situation. If…..IF some of our D prospects (not all, but 3+ I hope) we have a nice foundation.

Dostal looks like an amazing prospect and somehow we find good goaltending.

But, filling out the team is a question mark. Prospects hit, a lot miss. If our development excels, we have a bright future. But it’s a a scary moment for this team. What culture, pride , and strengths will it have.
Verbeek has proven nothing yet. He’s a wildcard too. Hopefully he reaches the success of those he learned from, but thatbis not a given either.

I’m not a fan of planning to suck but this draft is intriguing. I just hope we can fight and improve to see what we were spoiled to live through in early 2000’s

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I realize it. I just think it's a mistake and as such don't accept it as the correct path. I dont get excited for the future as I don't have any faith in PV to this point. I was excited when he was hired. He has done nothing to make me think he's competent and as such a future if hypotheticals generally lean towards the pessimistic. Which means I'm critical of everything he does until he is proven right, which I think is unlikely, which makes the failures of the tram even more pronounced.

I don't trust Verbeek, but GM's need a longer scope before I can say anything, especially if we're in a rebuild.

Good things he's done so far:

Kept Madden and scouting staff​

2022 Draft​

Add more staff (medical/PT and stats guys)​

Regenda​

The above pushes the org forward.

If he's able to sign both D LaCombe and D Thrun, then that's a massive win for Verbeek. If he doesn't, then that's also a significant loss for Verbeek.

 

[Sean Garrity]

I don't trust Verbeek, but GM's need a longer scope before I can say anything, especially if we're in a rebuild.

Good things he's done so far:

Kept Madden and scouting staff​

2022 Draft​

Add more staff (medical/PT and stats guys)​

Regenda​

The above pushes the org forward.

If he's able to sign both D LaCombe and D Thrun, then that's a massive win for Verbeek. If he doesn't, then that's also a significant loss for Verbeek.

If become more hopeful regarding this. IF those two want a chance to challenge for a roster spot, with some former teammates, what better place than Anaheim? It will all depend on their priorities I guess.