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branmuffin17

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Ducks almost tied the NHL record for most games to start a season without a regulation win. We have just that 1 regulation win and are going to be playing our 30th game soon. We are on a record pace for fewest regulation wins. Eakins needs to be gone you just cant keep someone coaching this far into a season with just 1 regulation win that's a embarrassment. Let one of the assistant coaches take over for the rest of the season. See what happens. Even if we still suck at least we did something.
They absolutely can keep coaching this far into the season with 1 reg win, and they will.

Not trying to be combative here, but you're suggesting (as a concept at least) that Verbeek fires Eakins and lets one of the assistants take over. But then you're potentially okay if we still suck because at least we "did something." But that something might have the exact same outcome (embarrassing record, awful play)? To me, that's not really doing something.

It's all hypothetical of course, but honestly by doing nothing we are still doing something. We're making one last push to get an amazing draft pick and fill the pipeline with picks, since after this season I think he'll be looking to start transitioning to make this team a competitor. Not saying next year we'll be a playoff team, but I think it'll be a true growth season where he really looks to see clear improvement.
 

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For me, this "re-build" is just a continuation of an ongoing saga for Ducks fans.

Unfortunately we only had weeks to celebrate the SC win before the retirement theatrics started. What should have been a 3 year run to the finals, became a series of moves that left fans in disbelief.

Even the successful Boudreau years repeatedly demonstrated that we couldn't win a game 7. And Andersen/Gibson were not the second coming of Giguere/Bryzgalov.

While I hate the way the team is playing right now, I hate the signing of Strome even more. If there is a plan, 4 more years of Strome can't be part of it. It was as if Henrique and Silvferberg were not enough that we had to take on another $5M/5year veteran who can't lead.

These are the things that irritate me the most about GM's. Too many of them see a veteran presence, but far too many veterans don't really have that presence to impact the locker room or lead on the ice.

John
 

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For me, this "re-build" is just a continuation of an ongoing saga for Ducks fans.

Unfortunately we only had weeks to celebrate the SC win before the retirement theatrics started. What should have been a 3 year run to the finals, became a series of moves that left fans in disbelief.

Even the successful Boudreau years repeatedly demonstrated that we couldn't win a game 7. And Andersen/Gibson were not the second coming of Giguere/Bryzgalov.

While I hate the way the team is playing right now, I hate the signing of Strome even more. If there is a plan, 4 more years of Strome can't be part of it. It was as if Henrique and Silvferberg were not enough that we had to take on another $5M/5year veteran who can't lead.

These are the things that irritate me the most about GM's. Too many of them see a veteran presence, but far too many veterans don't really have that presence to impact the locker room or lead on the ice.

John
Strome's been fine, currently he's a decent middle 6 center which he was paid market value to be. Not really sure what your complaint with him is
 

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Strome's been fine, currently he's a decent middle 6 center which he was paid market value to be. Not really sure what your complaint with him is

Yeah I agree Strome has been ok. Everyone’s production is hurting because the entire team is in a rut now. I thought his line was one of the better lines as of late, just can’t buy a goal now.
 

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They absolutely can keep coaching this far into the season with 1 reg win, and they will.

Not trying to be combative here, but you're suggesting (as a concept at least) that Verbeek fires Eakins and lets one of the assistants take over. But then you're potentially okay if we still suck because at least we "did something." But that something might have the exact same outcome (embarrassing record, awful play)? To me, that's not really doing something.

It's all hypothetical of course, but honestly by doing nothing we are still doing something. We're making one last push to get an amazing draft pick and fill the pipeline with picks, since after this season I think he'll be looking to start transitioning to make this team a competitor. Not saying next year we'll be a playoff team, but I think it'll be a true growth season where he really looks to see clear improvement.
If they keep Eakins it shows we need new management because you cant keep a embarrassment of a coach throughout a historically bad season like this to finish the season and expect it to not have consequences like demoralization of fans as well as the players to of which played a part in such a totally embarrassment of a season and have not even fired the coach looking for a change.

If I was a player for them and they didn't fire the coach at the very least I would want out ASAP. As a fan I would refuse to attend any games for a while after a season like that because I wouldn't have any trust in management.

We aren't guaranteed to draft 1st overall. Apparently we have a 55.7 chance at drafting 3rd overall so less then 50% chance at a top 2 pick. I doubt we draft 1st overall even if we hold on to worst record in the NHL because we seem to get screwed from lotteries. Regardless I would rather the Ducks draft 3rd overall then having a historically bad season and drafting 1st overall and keeping the coach throughout the entire season. I don't like bad reputations like that being part of my teams history.
 

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If they keep Eakins it shows we need new management because you cant keep a embarrassment of a coach throughout a historically bad season like this to finish the season and expect it to not have consequences like demoralization of fans as well as the players to of which played a part in such a totally embarrassment of a season and have not even fired the coach looking for a change.

If I was a player for them and they didn't fire the coach at the very least I would want out ASAP. As a fan I would refuse to attend any games for a while after a season like that because I wouldn't have any trust in management.

We aren't guaranteed to draft 1st overall. Apparently we have a 55.7 chance at drafting 3rd overall so less then 50% chance at a top 2 pick. I doubt we draft 1st overall even if we hold on to worst record in the NHL because we seem to get screwed from lotteries. Regardless I would rather the Ducks draft 3rd overall then having a historically bad season and drafting 1st overall and keeping the coach throughout the entire season. I don't like bad reputations like that being part of my teams history.
No one gives a shit anymore about the Avs pathetic 2016-17 season, this one will also be quickly forgotten about if this young core is successful
 

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If they keep Eakins it shows we need new management because you cant keep a embarrassment of a coach throughout a historically bad season like this to finish the season and expect it to not have consequences like demoralization of fans as well as the players to of which played a part in such a totally embarrassment of a season and have not even fired the coach looking for a change.

If I was a player for them and they didn't fire the coach at the very least I would want out ASAP. As a fan I would refuse to attend any games for a while after a season like that because I wouldn't have any trust in management.

We aren't guaranteed to draft 1st overall. Apparently we have a 55.7 chance at drafting 3rd overall so less then 50% chance at a top 2 pick. I doubt we draft 1st overall even if we hold on to worst record in the NHL because we seem to get screwed from lotteries. Regardless I would rather the Ducks draft 3rd overall then having a historically bad season and drafting 1st overall and keeping the coach throughout the entire season. I don't like bad reputations like that being part of my teams history.
Avs kept Bednar while he was the head coach for their historically bad season and it didn't demoralize anybody, hell he's still head coach today and won the cup with a bunch of those same guys who were on that historically bad roster none of which wanted out

If the end result is Bedard, I can live with whatever "bad reputation" this season leaves in our history because I guarantee not a soul on earth will give a single shit about it once Bedard starts doing his thing, hell I can live with it if the result is Fantilli/Michkov/Carlsson too because ditto when those guys start firing with all the young guys we've already got in our system no one is going to give a shit about that one really bad year we had.
 

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I think Strome will become more valuable as our team gets better and his role is reduced.
Better as in Bedard at center, along with Zegras and McTavish?

Even without Bedard, are we talking 3rd line in a year or two?

More money less term would have been better. He probably wouldn’t have taken it, so we should have moved on.

John
 

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Better as in Bedard at center, along with Zegras and McTavish?

Even without Bedard, are we talking 3rd line in a year or two?

More money less term would have been better. He probably wouldn’t have taken it, so we should have moved on.

John

I would have liked 4 year over 5 but I think he will be a big asset for a largely inexperienced team. Even if he got bumped down to the 4th line (which I don't think he will, I think Bedard will play wing in the NHL for at least a year or two) he would be like a significantly better Derek Grant that could step in at important moments in the game.
 
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I would have liked 4 year over 5 but I think he will be a big asset for a largely inexperienced team. Even if he got bumped down to the 4th line (which I don't think he will, I think Bedard will play wing in the NHL for at least a year or two) he would be like a significantly better Derek Grant that could step in at important moments in the game.
I hope so. I just see $5M in cap space that we will be whining about in a few years.

Arizona might take him along with a couple picks. Seems to be a winning strategy for Bill Armstrong. Of course, Arizona is in a perpetual rebuild.

We just need to be smart so we don’t end up as Yotes by the Sea.

John
 

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Food for thought.

Jeff Blashill in Detroit
Season/ GP/ PTS/PTS%/Standing/Draft Pick

’15-16 - 82 / 93 / .567 / 15th (of 30) / 20th OA
’16 -17 - 82 / 79 / .482 / 25th (of 30) / 9th OA
‘17-18 - 82 / 73 / .445 / 27th (of 31) / 6th OA
‘18-19 - 82 / 74 / .451 / 28th (of 31) / 6th OA
April 2, 2019 - 2 year extension
May 6, 2019 - Verbeek named assistant GM
‘19-20 - 71 / 39 / .275 / 31st (of 31) / 4th OA
‘20-21 - 56/ 48 / .429 / 27th (of 32) / 6th OA
May 18, 2021 - 1 year extension
‘21-22 - 82 / 74 / .451 / 25th / 8th OA
Contract not extended.

Blashill PTS% including/excluding the first year - .447/ 0.425
Eakins PTS% in Anaheim - .425

:huh:
 

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Wasn't it more like that before the league decided every team needed to play once in every building?
 

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I like the schedule the way it is. But I’m being biased on the situation, being a fan of both an East and West team. I look forward to those East vs West match ups.
I’d be ok with home and home for the other 3 divisions and then all the rest be Pacific only games. I do prefer seeing every team at home every year though.
 
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When possible in any sport, I believe you owe it to the fans for each team to play eachother at least 1 time, even better if thats 1 time in each building. But if you are going to say that each division gets an equal amount of teams guaranteed into the playoffs (min 3), they have to play eachother more than anyone else and equal amounts within the division.

62 games - 1 game home, 1 game away vs 31 other teams

Youve played each division rival now 2 times. 7 teams left in the division, play them each 2 more times... 76 games

6 games left to do whatever you want outside the division OR add 1 more game to make it an 83 game schedule and play each division rival 5 times.

I dont see how they could make 8 games happen between 2 teams while giving fans the ability to see each team in each arena.
 

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I saw last year's team has shallow for sure. When we lost players to injuries we started sliding. Everyone is just so willing to dismiss the good hockey we were playing as just a fluke. Young teams struggle with consistency it's to be expected they wouldn't be able to maintain that. He could have built on that team. Instead he decided to run a full tank rebuild and Subject us to more losing than we've seen in the history if the team. Literally ever. He could have still added Strome to replace Getzlaf, he could have targeted a more established top 6 forward than Vatrano like Seattle did which would have cost what, 2 mill more with guys like Rico and Silf coming off the books in a few years when we might actually need more cap space. This team is not going to go from bottom dweller to Tampa in 1 season. I'm not suggesting that. I am saying he added years to a rebuild he didn't need to. I don't see the point. We had top draft picks already. That seems to be the basis of every argument about tanking. "We need those top picks, they're the only way to be successful, look at Tampa, Pit and Chicago!" Well we already had them. 4 actually. I just don't see the justification. Not to mention, if he had kept the D instant he would have been able to properly evaluate Eakins and decide about keeping him or not.

I shared with you "why Verbeek did what he did", but you're still refusing to accept that path. There were two options for Verbeek when he came onboard:

1. Keep the UFAs and add more talent such as two top-6 forwards and a middle/bottom shutdown veteran D.

2. Reset the team and build around the current youth as well as farm team.

I preferred option 1, just like you. We found our next core, a couple of youths established themselves last year in Terry and Zegras, but we needed NHL depth because our prospects were still a year or two away from the NHL. The team proved it can be successful, but was lacking serious depth. Our next step was to follow what the Kings did last off-season when it signed top-6C Danault, traded for top-6RW Arvidsson, and signed elder D Edler.

Murray's a tinkerer, loves layering, and roster balance (which includes physicality). In 2019, the start of the rebuild, when Manson went to IR and deemed to be out for weeks, Murray quickly traded for vet RD Gudbranson and his $4 mil contract to make sure the team had NHL support. Last season, Manson was sent to IR during All-Star break when Verbeek was hired, but Verbeek didn't seek to find NHL level help replacement for Manson like Murray did years ago.

In keeping all the UFA's and acquiring more top-6 with middle-to-bottom-6 defensive D, the cap situation becomes vastly complicated. Murray's known how to juggle the cap and keep talent ever since he was hired on to fix what Burkie did with the cap and no talent pool.

Verbeek, in obvious retrospect, did not want to deal with the convoluted cap situations of vets a decade older than the youth group and sprinkled in with intermediate FA's/traded players to take the next step of contending. Again, Verbeek deals with a strict rubric of age-to-term ratio. That's the pattern that Verbeek has found to be successful and can't he doesn't want to deviate from it. That differs from Murray, who loves tinkering as well as try to pass things forward for the organization.

When Verbeek, in his own words, "blew up the team," at the trade dealine, it was profound to me. It ran contrary to what he said when he was hired:

"This team doesn't need to be rebuilt; they're in the middle of their rebuild, so this is a great opportunity to take this team forward and turn them into a contender," Verbeek said during his introductory press conference.

Verbeek reset the team back years and it would be a long way back to contention. I said this at the TDL because there's no way we can replace #1D and 2nd pairing shutdown D. They don't grow on trees and our prospect college D haven't even made it to the pros yet, which Murray raved about two off-seasons ago as potential trade capital.

Once I accepted we reset the rebuild back to year 2/3 (which I think it's year 1/2 now), I just bought into what Verbeek is trying to do, which is to build around Zegras and Drysdale, that age range. Verbeek was gifted a top-5 farm team as well. The only way to land a top pairing D is through the draft or by packaging top prospects with picks. Verbeek might be trying to achieve both by amassing loads of picks.
 

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I shared with you "why Verbeek did what he did", but you're still refusing to accept that path. There were two options for Verbeek when he came onboard:

1. Keep the UFAs and add more talent such as two top-6 forwards and a middle/bottom shutdown veteran D.

2. Reset the team and build around the current youth as well as farm team.

I preferred option 1, just like you. We found our next core, a couple of youths established themselves last year in Terry and Zegras, but we needed NHL depth because our prospects were still a year or two away from the NHL. The team proved it can be successful, but was lacking serious depth. Our next step was to follow what the Kings did last off-season when it signed top-6C Danault, traded for top-6RW Arvidsson, and signed elder D Edler.

Murray's a tinkerer, loves layering, and roster balance (which includes physicality). In 2019, the start of the rebuild, when Manson went to IR and deemed to be out for weeks, Murray quickly traded for vet RD Gudbranson and his $4 mil contract to make sure the team had NHL support. Last season, Manson was sent to IR during All-Star break when Verbeek was hired, but Verbeek didn't seek to find NHL level help replacement for Manson like Murray did years ago.

In keeping all the UFA's and acquiring more top-6 with middle-to-bottom-6 defensive D, the cap situation becomes vastly complicated. Murray's known how to juggle the cap and keep talent ever since he was hired on to fix what Burkie did with the cap and no talent pool.

Verbeek, in obvious retrospect, did not want to deal with the convoluted cap situations of vets a decade older than the youth group and sprinkled in with intermediate FA's/traded players to take the next step of contending. Again, Verbeek deals with a strict rubric of age-to-term ratio. That's the pattern that Verbeek has found to be successful and can't he doesn't want to deviate from it. That differs from Murray, who loves tinkering as well as try to pass things forward for the organization.

When Verbeek, in his own words, "blew up the team," at the trade dealine, it was profound to me. It ran contrary to what he said when he was hired:

"This team doesn't need to be rebuilt; they're in the middle of their rebuild, so this is a great opportunity to take this team forward and turn them into a contender," Verbeek said during his introductory press conference.

Verbeek reset the team back years and it would be a long way back to contention. I said this at the TDL because there's no way we can replace #1D and 2nd pairing shutdown D. They don't grow on trees and our prospect college D haven't even made it to the pros yet, which Murray raved about two off-seasons ago as potential trade capital.

Once I accepted we reset the rebuild back to year 2/3 (which I think it's year 1/2 now), I just bought into what Verbeek is trying to do, which is to build around Zegras and Drysdale, that age range. Verbeek was gifted a top-5 farm team as well. The only way to land a top pairing D is through the draft or by packaging top prospects with picks. Verbeek might be trying to achieve both by amassing loads of picks.
I know what he did. I understand why he did it. I also feel it was a mistake and I'm not going to act like it wasn't. If this team is relevant in less than 3 years I'll eat my words but I think it's closer to 5-8 at this point.
 
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