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Hamilton Bulldogs

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lmao the absolutely absurd things people say/believe about Verbeek based on not even a full calendar year as GM are truly outrageous
What other conclusion could you provide for keeping Eakins?

Hes never won anything as a coach on any level.

Eakins was the coach of the worst powerplay in league history.

Eakins has one of the worst records in league history.

After the allstar break last season, it was stated that because the Ducks didn't have a training camp the break acted like a mini training camp for the team. The team almost immediately started to fall at this point and forced Verbeek to become a seller.

Every time the Ducks have a lead, he has the same strategy of collapsing in front of the net and 90 percent of the time it comes to bite him in the ass. Hes done this every season with no change.

The current team has one actual win this season and Verbeek insists that hes sticking with Eakins.

Honestly, it looks better on Verbeek if hes some dude trying to make some paper rather than someone who thinks the above is good for an NHL team.
 

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What other conclusion could you provide for keeping Eakins?

Hes never won anything as a coach on any level.

Eakins was the coach of the worst powerplay in league history.

Eakins has one of the worst records in league history.

After the allstar break last season, it was stated that because the Ducks didn't have a training camp the break acted like a mini training camp for the team. The team almost immediately started to fall at this point and forced Verbeek to become a seller.

Every time the Ducks have a lead, he has the same strategy of collapsing in front of the net and 90 percent of the time it comes to bite him in the ass. Hes done this every season with no change.

The current team has one actual win this season and Verbeek insists that hes sticking with Eakins.

Honestly, it looks better on Verbeek if hes some dude trying to make some paper rather than someone who thinks the above is good for an NHL team.
When he extended Eakins, it was a sign that the tank was on. Everything since has confirmed it.
 

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What other conclusion could you provide for keeping Eakins?

Hes never won anything as a coach on any level.

Eakins was the coach of the worst powerplay in league history.

Eakins has one of the worst records in league history.

After the allstar break last season, it was stated that because the Ducks didn't have a training camp the break acted like a mini training camp for the team. The team almost immediately started to fall at this point and forced Verbeek to become a seller.

Every time the Ducks have a lead, he has the same strategy of collapsing in front of the net and 90 percent of the time it comes to bite him in the ass. Hes done this every season with no change.

The current team has one actual win this season and Verbeek insists that hes sticking with Eakins.

Honestly, it looks better on Verbeek if hes some dude trying to make some paper rather than someone who thinks the above is good for an NHL team.

Didnt he win a Calder cup?
 
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I understand giving Eakins some runway but we are nearing the point that by keeping him on board, Verbeek is signaling that he’s okay with this level of compete.

I’m not talking about physicality, either, because I know there will be people jumping in about how our team is soft or something. I’m talking about compete. There are probably 5-6 guys who look like they’re giving it their all every night and 4 of them are fringe 4th liners.
The level of compete is good. They always try. Much improved from last season and from early this season. I don't know if you're looking for physical cues or something but I think you're missing it. But, the level of competence, execution, and talent is bad.
 

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People spent 4 years bitching about Murray not selling everyone off to rebuild and now Verbeek does it and is the worst GM in the league because of it. He has absolutely not done enough to judge him in either direction yet.
That sort of irony is lost on the people that constantly bitch about him. It's disconcerting how many people on here can't apply a consistent line of logic.
 
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That sort of irony is lost on the people that constantly bitch about him. It's disconcerting how many people on here can't apply a consistent line of logic.
To be fair, most people in general rely on their emotions more than any sense of reason. Usually reason only gets slapped on as an afterthought to justify their emotional state.

We're not winning with this combination of players anymore? Dang better sell high on them then.
We're not winning without the combination of players sold away? Dang incompetence in selling them away.


It's why all managerial positions in general are expert-level positions. You need people in place who plan ahead and don't bend when confronted with kneejerk reactions. Not that sports execs ever listened to the laypeople anyway, but you get the sentiment. The average sports fan is just forever riddled with this need of winning (or seemingly moving closer to it) every season whether it's realistic or not, so they bristle.
 

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To be fair, most people in general rely on their emotions more than any sense of reason. Usually reason only gets slapped on as an afterthought to justify their emotional state.

We're not winning with this combination of players anymore? Dang better sell high on them then.
We're not winning without the combination of players sold away? Dang incompetence in selling them away.


It's why all managerial positions in general are expert-level positions. You need people in place who plan ahead and don't bend when confronted with kneejerk reactions. Not that sports execs ever listened to the laypeople anyway, but you get the sentiment. The average sports fan is just forever riddled with this need of winning (or seemingly moving closer to it) every season whether it's realistic or not, so they bristle.
Very true. I don't like it.
 

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Drysdale had 0 points in 8 games and was -3 and looked most dynamic in his very first stint... before last season (as a 19 year old).
He was bad in first games but the eye test was very pleasing the last few games before he went down tho. He started to massively improve when he was given a chance on the PP, but the injury happened... which is what the risk is for the D of his size
 

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Verbeek was fully endorsed not only by ownership, but icons of the franchise in Niedermayer, Kariya, and Selanne. So unless you think he promised to do one thing and then did the exact opposite, this, for better or worse, is the plan and what all those guys plus the owners are on board with.

And to be clear, I didn't think this was going to be the plan either. I thought we would pick up more established talent this offseason to insulate the young players, as opposed to keeping every pick. So it surprised me to some degree also.

From Detroit News on Verbeek getting hired by the Ducks:

"This team doesn't need to be rebuilt; they're in the middle of their rebuild, so this is a great opportunity to take this team forward and turn them into a contender," Verbeek said during his introductory press conference. "You don't have to come in there and look to take a long time. There's good players in the NHL, good players in the minors and there are players that have been drafted. There's a lot coming to support the growth of this team. That's truly what I'm excited about."​

When Verbeek took over, we were 23-16-9 at the all-star break and Manson was place on IR during all-star break. Anaheim needed two more top-6 forwards and a middle pairing defensive D with the then-current roster to take the next step like the Kings did in their 2022 off-season with C Danault, F Arvidsson, and D Elder. Kings made the 2021-22 playoffs.

At the TDL, Verbeek shipped physicality, PK playing, and top-end defensive D in D Lindholm (top pairing), D Manson (top-4), and F Des (pugilist, and PKer). Also shipped away was perimeter scorer RW Rakell.

Just to get back to level with the pre-TDL 2021-22 roster, it needed to replace a top pairing shutdown D, a top-4 shutdown RD, a competent PK forward who can fight, a scoring wing, and strong 1C (Getz retired). I don't know how one can expect Verbeek to equally replace all those talents and add more talent in order to contend in one off-season?

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=== Compare and Contrast Rosters ===
:popcorn: Read on at your own risk. :popcorn:


Ducks 2021-22
Out, ForwardsRegularSeason2021-22
Player ===PosGamesPtsPPGPlus/Minus
Getz (Retired)C
56​
37​
0.66​
-14​
MilanoW
66​
34​
0.52​
-9​
Rakell (TDL)W
51​
28​
0.55​
-7​
SteelF
68​
20​
0.29​
-17​
Des (TDL)F
61​
10​
0.16​
-9​
Total
129​
2.02​
-56​
Out, DefenseRegularSeason2021-22
Player ===PosGamesPtsPPGPlus/Minus
Lindholm (TDL)LD
61​
22​
0.36​
0​
Manson (TDL)RD
45​
9​
0.20​
0​
Total
31​
0.56​
0​

We see how the old crew was. Let's see the new crew.

Roster, FADucks
FA2021-222022-23
5-Dec​
PlayerPtsPPGPlus/Minus.PtsPPGPlus/minus
C Strome
54​
0.73​
15​
13​
0.50​
-11​
RW Vatrano
32​
0.45​
4​
9​
0.35​
-10​
RD Klingberg
47​
0.63​
-28​
8​
0.40​
-12​
LD Kulikov
24​
0.30​
23​
8​
0.31​
-5​
Totals/Sub-Totals
157​
14​
38​
-38​

All those stats from our FA are coming from playoff teams, yes, including Klingberg. Many people were high on Klingberg and were probably thinking of Klingberg of the way past instead of the -28 rating Klingberg last year. The four top FA acquisitions are vastly underperforming from their previous year's production. Kulikov is the only FA acquisition whose scoring production didn't drop, but has improved a tick with Anaheim.

I think it's too much to believe that players coming from playoff teams would be able to carryover their whole game to a rebuilding team.

2021-22 VS 2022-23 roster replacement
C Getz > C Strome​
RW Rakell > RW Vatrano​
D Lindholm > D Klingberg​
D Manson > D Kulikov​
F Des > n/a​

2021-22, after 26 games:
GF = 87​
GA = 78​
GD = +9​
PP = 27.0%​
PK = 85.3%​
Record = 13-8-5 (31 pts)​

2022-23, after 26 games:
GF = 65​
GA = 111​
GD = - 46​
PP = 16.0%​
PK = 65.6%​
Record = 6-17-3 (15 pts)​

Once this year's roster construction was completed, I have no idea how one can believe we'd be .500 at this point or close to it. I've shared often how missing Lindholm meant giving up about a goal against per game, but also how Manson is important to Fowler being a better player.

It feels odd for people to want to be successful in a hurry, but not understand the significant losses we had at the TDL and difficult as well as expensive to find equal talent.
 

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We need to get rid of Eakins.

Please, go into detail of what would get fixed and how much would it fix? No generalizations. One stipulation, no trades occur before the TDL. Please feel free to use last year's start, where the Ducks shot to the top of the Pacific Division, for comparing and contrasting.

Once you're done, then go into detail of who this new head coach is.

I'm indifferent if we keep Eakins beyond this year, but I am curious what's the end game of replacing him today?

Before you start, let me share with you an interview between GM Verbeek and Stephens that was published on Oct 20, 2022, four games into the new season:

Now, who knows where this goes after this season? Eakins’ deal will be up. But at the very least, Verbeek wanted to take the time to further get to know his coach before making any decisions.
“It’s not fair … me coming in two, three months and then going with a new guy,” Verbeek said. “And in the sense that I just blew up the team (at the trade deadline). So I wanted to give him a chance. And it gave us an opportunity to get to know one another over the course of the offseason.
“So that’s kind of how the decision was made.”
In a Pacific Division with playoff contenders in the Oilers, Flames, Kings and Golden Knights, the Ducks are in tough as far as the next step in their rebuild leading to a surprise playoff berth this season. That’s already clear from early-season games.
But it’s about the growth.
“The expectation has always been, for me, making sure that our younger players are developing and taking steps,” Verbeek said. “That’s my expectation. Where it ends up, it ends up.”
 

gilfaizon

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It’s funny people are impatient with Verbeek when we just had over a decade of Bob Murray who wasn’t even as active as Verbeek has been, even in the good years.

Thats just untrue. Maybe not big trades, but BM tinkered a ton. Seemed to make the first trade every year. Quiet at free agency, but that's not what we're talking about here.
 

Masch78

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It’s funny people are impatient with Verbeek when we just had over a decade of Bob Murray who wasn’t even as active as Verbeek has been, even in the good years.
The please go back and look at GMBMs history of roster adjustments.
 

AngelDuck

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It’s very tough to formulate an accurate opinion of what his plan is based on a year of being here. So far he seems content to ride it out with Eakins and get a top tier talent in July

The only thing that’s a little concerning is that he thought this team would be around .500. But to me that’s more of an Eakins problem
 

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It’s very tough to formulate an accurate opinion of what his plan is based on a year of being here. So far he seems content to ride it out with Eakins and get a top tier talent in July

The only thing that’s a little concerning is that he thought this team would be around .500. But to me that’s more of an Eakins problem
I think he has to say that, but that team is actually closer to their internal expectations than to .500.
 
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