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GreatBear

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Im with you and Kase. This team is getting worse defensively and I think some of it is to blame on whatever "system" Eakins is trying to have them play. IMO he's stagnating development or even worse hurting development at this point. The Ducks constantly look completely lost in their own zone and that's because the entire team has 0 hockey sense or it is because the "system" the coach employs is terrible.
I'm voting that the coach's "system" is terrible. I have seen some of these players play in other systems and they look much better.

I wonder how many fans that the team is permanently turning off of Ducks hockey because of this season. Verbeek needs to think of things like this long term, as opposed to putting this product out on the ice.
 

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I'm voting that the coach's "system" is terrible. I have seen some of these players play in other systems and they look much better.

I wonder how many fans that the team is permanently turning off of Ducks hockey because of this season. Verbeek needs to think of things like this long term, as opposed to putting this product out on the ice.
While I agree with you about Eakins, I think Ducks fans (and SoCal sports fans in general) are majority fair-weather fans. Nobody is turning off the Ducks permanently.

Once they are good and exciting again people will come back
 
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While I agree with you about Eakins, I think Ducks fans (and SoCal sports fans in general) are majority fair-weather fans. Nobody is turning off the Ducks permanently.

Once they are good and exciting again people will come back
I think you're right that that's the brute calculation he's making, assuming it's something he's concerned about. But it's a shame that the fans are turning out this year moreso than recently and THIS is what they're seeing. I don't doubt some will wonder what the big deal is.
 

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I think you're right that that's the brute calculation he's making, assuming it's something he's concerned about. But it's a shame that the fans are turning out this year moreso than recently and THIS is what they're seeing. I don't doubt some will wonder what the big deal is.
For sure. If I brought a friend along with me this year then they may not trust me in the future when I say “no it’s actually fun now”
 
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I've watched less than half the games this year. I rarely ever missed a game until last year. I've turned to other forms of entertainment, including local hockey and the ECHL team in Boise, which I swear could stand a chance at beating the Ducks.

Yes, fans are fickle... but never underestimate the power of sucking. Do it too long in a fair weather market, and you stand a chance at losing long time fans... and possibly your team (although, this isn't as likely as it used to be).. Of course, the Ducks are lucky in that the opposing teams fanbases will usually keep the building well attended.

I will say, even without the visitor fans, it is interesting that Ducks fans have shown up this year more than I expected. I assume it's the Covid hangover, and people are still jazzed about getting out and going to big events.
 
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alcolol

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Howdy y'all, been a hot minute since I've posted here..

Verbeek has done an adequate job. He assumed a bad hand when joined the organization last season and acted purposefully. I have no issue with last season's trade deadline nor the offseason. Though I say it's still far too early to judge him as a manager, we can judge the individual moves he's made.

Last Season's Trade Deadline - Verbeek was up against the wall with Rakell, Lindholm, and Manson. Management clearly targeted Clang, Vaakanainen, and Helleson (respectfully) and did well to acquire additional picks. We could argue Manson should've returned a 1st but then we likely wouldn't have received Helleson. Trading Deslauriers for a 3rd seemed unnecessary, though it's likely we knew Deslauriers' agent was seeking a payday for him in free agency. Had the voided Dadonov trade been legitimate, Verbeek's trade deadline would have been that much more of a success. It was refreshing to see our manager look to weaponize his cap space and do so with a capable forward.

Coach - Verbeek's offseason was highlighted by patience, in my opinion. He was hired February 3rd, giving him only two and a half months to assess his team and coaching staff. Picking up the contract option for Eakins this season was a prudent move. The choice of head coach is arguably the most important decision for a GM to make. Eakins wasn't Verbeek's guy, and likely won't be going forward, but it buys Verbeek a full season to determine what type of coach this dressing room needs. He's also been notably quiet regarding the status of Eakins, who would be easy to scapegoat and throw under the bus (looking at you, Vancouver). I will be most curious to see who Verbeek hires as HC in the offseason (fingers crossed for Andrew Brunette, who did a stand up job in Florida as interim HC and has since done a really good job managing the special teams as associate coach in New Jersey).

Offseason Signings/Trades - Klingberg, Strome, Vatrano, Kulikov. The list is short but these are Verbeek's guys. The elephant in the room, Klingberg, has not worked out as we--and the hockey world at large--had hoped. His idea of signing Klingberg as a 3/4-season stop gap and trade deadline rental was largely lauded, and for good reason (once again weaponizing Anaheim's cap space). Kulikov's future remains to be seen, though few will make too much or too little of his tenure with the Ducks. Strome and Vatrano have been serviceable; I suspect their contributions will improve as the lineup as a whole improves. I'd be remiss not to mention Verbeek's pursuit of Nino Niederreiter, who was all but a Duck until his best friend swayed him elsewhere. Again, we see Verbeek's "type of player" take shape--hard working with high character.

Trade Deadline - The NHL trade deadline this season is March 3rd. Much will be made of how much (hopefully not how little) Verbeek gets in return for Klingberg. Easy for us keyboard warriors to say Klingberg should get at least a first and then some, but as long as the net return is about a first (maybe a first, maybe two seconds, maybe a second and a prospect) I will be more curious to see what other moves Verbeek makes. Shattenkirk and Moore should be fired into the Sun, assuming the Sun agrees to take them. Kulikov and Stolarz should net something positive. Comtois could be an interesting target, though that speaks to a larger philosophical question of whether Verbeek wants to move on from a once promising forward this early into his career. Again, I'm cautiously optimistic Verbeek puts Anaheim's cap space to use in exchange for assets.

Going Forward - Verbeek has his work cut out for him this offseason. First and foremost, he needs to hire HIS head coach. Secondly, he needs to sort out contracts for Terry, Zegras, and Drysdale. Longterm extensions for all three are unlikely but getting two of the three signed longterm will also provide clarity on how much "play" money we have in seasons to come. Thirdly, he and Madden need to maximize what should be a bevy of draft picks. Hopefully the hockey gods do some of the work for Verbeek and bless the organization with good lottery fortune. Fourthly, he needs to completely rebuild the defense. Fowler and Drysdale are fine mainstays but in desperate need of support. The inevitable additions of Zellweger, Mintyukov, and Helleson will help but even prime Patrick Roy would demand a trade out of Anaheim much like he did in Montreal. Fifthly, Verbeek needs to make room for Dostal in Anaheim. This will likely be done organically by way of Stolarz leaving either via trade deadline or free agency. Gibson's days as Anaheim's #1 goaltender are probably numbered but I like the merits of a 1A/1B tandem with him and Dostal. Sixthly, Verbeek needs to dip his toes into free agency again and get the team a scoring forward. Having another offensive threat will ease the burden on our other forwards and go a long way towards unlocking more of the untapped potential of Terry, Zegras, and McTavish.

Perhaps my assessment is way off base. Perhaps I'm a Verbeek apologist in the making. I'm guilty of having been that way with Murray, oops. Though the season has been long, rest assured the best is yet to come. Go Ducks!
 

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@alcolol welcome back and very good post. One thing, I hope Verbeek gives Comtois another look under a different coach and system before parting way.

I also think it’s too soon to really criticize Verbeek, very early in the changes he made to see where they are heading. I also think Vatrano and Strome will be better and contribute more once they have more support around them and a better system.

I’ve said it before Eakins may have had his moments like last year but the coaching and system , and lack of depth have hurt everyone’s numbers this year. Hoping for some improvement at least next season.
 
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Verbeek has done an adequate job. He assumed a bad hand when joined the organization last season and acted purposefully. I have no issue with last season's trade deadline nor the offseason. Though I say it's still far too early to judge him as a manager, we can judge the individual moves he's made.

Last Season's Trade Deadline - Verbeek was up against the wall with Rakell, Lindholm, and Manson. Management clearly targeted Clang, Vaakanainen, and Helleson (respectfully) and did well to acquire additional picks. We could argue Manson should've returned a 1st but then we likely wouldn't have received Helleson. Trading Deslauriers for a 3rd seemed unnecessary, though it's likely we knew Deslauriers' agent was seeking a payday for him in free agency. Had the voided Dadonov trade been legitimate, Verbeek's trade deadline would have been that much more of a success. It was refreshing to see our manager look to weaponize his cap space and do so with a capable forward.

Coach - Verbeek's offseason was highlighted by patience, in my opinion. He was hired February 3rd, giving him only two and a half months to assess his team and coaching staff. Picking up the contract option for Eakins this season was a prudent move. The choice of head coach is arguably the most important decision for a GM to make. Eakins wasn't Verbeek's guy, and likely won't be going forward, but it buys Verbeek a full season to determine what type of coach this dressing room needs. He's also been notably quiet regarding the status of Eakins, who would be easy to scapegoat and throw under the bus (looking at you, Vancouver). I will be most curious to see who Verbeek hires as HC in the offseason (fingers crossed for Andrew Brunette, who did a stand up job in Florida as interim HC and has since done a really good job managing the special teams as associate coach in New Jersey).

Offseason Signings/Trades - Klingberg, Strome, Vatrano, Kulikov. The list is short but these are Verbeek's guys. The elephant in the room, Klingberg, has not worked out as we--and the hockey world at large--had hoped. His idea of signing Klingberg as a 3/4-season stop gap and trade deadline rental was largely lauded, and for good reason (once again weaponizing Anaheim's cap space). Kulikov's future remains to be seen, though few will make too much or too little of his tenure with the Ducks. Strome and Vatrano have been serviceable; I suspect their contributions will improve as the lineup as a whole improves. I'd be remiss not to mention Verbeek's pursuit of Nino Niederreiter, who was all but a Duck until his best friend swayed him elsewhere. Again, we see Verbeek's "type of player" take shape--hard working with high character.

Trade Deadline - The NHL trade deadline this season is March 3rd. Much will be made of how much (hopefully not how little) Verbeek gets in return for Klingberg. Easy for us keyboard warriors to say Klingberg should get at least a first and then some, but as long as the net return is about a first (maybe a first, maybe two seconds, maybe a second and a prospect) I will be more curious to see what other moves Verbeek makes. Shattenkirk and Moore should be fired into the Sun, assuming the Sun agrees to take them. Kulikov and Stolarz should net something positive. Comtois could be an interesting target, though that speaks to a larger philosophical question of whether Verbeek wants to move on from a once promising forward this early into his career. Again, I'm cautiously optimistic Verbeek puts Anaheim's cap space to use in exchange for assets.

Going Forward - Verbeek has his work cut out for him this offseason. First and foremost, he needs to hire HIS head coach. Secondly, he needs to sort out contracts for Terry, Zegras, and Drysdale. Longterm extensions for all three are unlikely but getting two of the three signed longterm will also provide clarity on how much "play" money we have in seasons to come. Thirdly, he and Madden need to maximize what should be a bevy of draft picks. Hopefully the hockey gods do some of the work for Verbeek and bless the organization with good lottery fortune. Fourthly, he needs to completely rebuild the defense. Fowler and Drysdale are fine mainstays but in desperate need of support. The inevitable additions of Zellweger, Mintyukov, and Helleson will help but even prime Patrick Roy would demand a trade out of Anaheim much like he did in Montreal. Fifthly, Verbeek needs to make room for Dostal in Anaheim. This will likely be done organically by way of Stolarz leaving either via trade deadline or free agency. Gibson's days as Anaheim's #1 goaltender are probably numbered but I like the merits of a 1A/1B tandem with him and Dostal. Sixthly, Verbeek needs to dip his toes into free agency again and get the team a scoring forward. Having another offensive threat will ease the burden on our other forwards and go a long way towards unlocking more of the untapped potential of Terry, Zegras, and McTavish.

Perhaps my assessment is way off base. Perhaps I'm a Verbeek apologist in the making. I'm guilty of having been that way with Murray, oops. Though the season has been long, rest assured the best is yet to come. Go Ducks!
Pretty fair assessment. It's far too early for people to be as hypercritical as they've been about Verbeek. I'm not saying everything he's done has been great, but people should really take a step back and put things into perspective more. This post by @alcolol is a good example of that.
 

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Thats a good post Alcolol, and I largely agree with most of what you said. I am still concerned, however with the lack of anything at all happening this season and some the level of suck we are at (and how it might effect our young player development). I worry about that gamble.

While I'm not ready to completely toss PV under the bus, I got a good grip on him. The TDL and Draft will be make it or break it time, IMO.
 

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Pretty fair assessment. It's far too early for people to be as hypercritical as they've been about Verbeek. I'm not saying everything he's done has been great, but people should really take a step back and put things into perspective more. This post by @alcolol is a good example of that.

Therein lies the problem. A majority are expecting Verbeek to make the Ducks into playoff contenders already as opposed to seeing this as a reset to the rebuild. The impatience is causing unnecessary hysteria. Did Def Leppard go into Hysteria because its drummer only had one arm? We can't judge Verbeek until 3 to 4 years later because PV chose to reset the rebuild.

Because PV reset the rebuild, any NHL outside the org talent should be looked at as plugs in the next couple of seasons - not saviors nor pillars. The saviors and pillars are going to come from the draft or traded prospects. The savior skaters of this team will be its five top-10 picks from 2019-23: Zegras (2019), Drysdale (2020), McTavish (2021), Mintyukov (2022), and xxx (2023).

Verbeek mentioned that when his team makes the playoffs, then it'll go deep into the playoffs. One of the ways to make it deep into the playoffs is to have loads of talent and lots of talent depth, because injuries are always a part of the playoffs. In resetting the rebuild, our current youth core is layer 1 of top talents. With the exception of Terry, the nucleus of layer 1 core are quite young ( Z is 21 years old, Lundy just turned 23 in Nov, Drydale is 20, and McTavish is 19). We have a top-5 farm team with many prospects about the same age or a year younger than layer 1 youth core. That group plus our 2023 top-10 pick be our layer 2 youth core. The next couple of drafts after 2023, they will be layer 3 youth core.

By layer 3 core, we should know how our team should look like and should have talent depth. PV can start trading for top-end veteran talents to help push the team to another level.

Because of this macro view is why Verbeek doesn't care about the present day Ducks' roster, roster balance, or physicality. All that will be dealt with in the coming future when it matters more because by that time we'll be in the playoff hunt again. Well, that's the hope and gamble with Verbeek. The macro view isn't a novel plan, but the disregard for the present is new.

Duck GM's and Playoff appearances

  • Bryan Murray, 2002 - 2005: Very good drafting and acquiring talent. Hit jackpot with drafting Getz (19th overall) and Perry (28th overall) ... Perry to Oil trade nixed by C Comrie. Traded for Rob Niedermayer and JS Giguere.
    • 2002-03 SCF

  • Brian Burke, 2006- 2008 (Nov): Great at acquiring superstar talent (Scotty Niedermayer and Pronger), abysmal at drafts and cap.
    • 2005-06 WCF
    • 2006-07 SC winner
    • 2007-08 QF

  • Bob Murray, 2008 - 2021 (Nov): Great at drafting D, good at cap & trades, and tinkering the roster.
    • 2008-09: Semi
    • 2010-11: QF
    • 2012-13: QF
    • 2013-14: Semi
    • 2014-15: WCF
    • 2015-16: QF
    • 2016-17: WCF
    • 2017-18: QF

A lot of success for Burkie and Bob comes from foundation laid by Bryan Murray from his draft (Getz and Perry). Bob has set a foundation for the next era after the Twins with his draft with Terry, Z, Drysdale, and McTavish and a top-5 farm team. I hope Verbeek can build upon that to have the longevity in playoff appearances as Bob, but maybe have more talent to land a Stanley Cup or two.
 

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Thats a good post Alcolol, and I largely agree with most of what you said. I am still concerned, however with the lack of anything at all happening this season and some the level of suck we are at (and how it might effect our young player development). I worry about that gamble.

While I'm not ready to completely toss PV under the bus, I got a good grip on him. The TDL and Draft will be make it or break it time, IMO.
‘Make or break’???

This GM hasn’t even been here for a full year LOL
 

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Therein lies the problem. A majority are expecting Verbeek to make the Ducks into playoff contenders already as opposed to seeing this as a reset to the rebuild. The impatience is causing unnecessary hysteria. Did Def Leppard go into Hysteria because its drummer only had one arm? We can't judge Verbeek until 3 to 4 years later because PV chose to reset the rebuild.

I thought this comment would have had a lil' more traction. I failed.
 
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